#OccupyWallstreet

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monovillage

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No such thing as peacefully robbing a bank. And I am not a "leftie" you idiot. Wanting people to follow laws isn't some "far left" concept. It's a middle of the road concept that most people understand.

And please provide some link between what other OWS demonstrators have done relates in any way to a peaceful protest in another location? We will be waiting for you to explain this brilliant concept on your part (hint: it means nothing). Unless you think that you can punish one group for the actions of a completely different unrelated group? That would be an amazing legal concept if you could prove it, which you can't.

Wait, you now want to divide #Occupy protesters by small groups so you can point to the 8 or 10 over there in the corner and say "Those #Occupy protesters never pushed old women, broke an EMT's leg, punched a reporter, broke out windows, defecated on a cop car, used children to blockade a door or kept a man from getting his 2 year old son home? If they are breaking the law, they aren't peaceful protesters. Hence the "peacefully robbing a bank" it can't be done, if you're breaking the law, you cease to become peaceful.
 

Jhhnn

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Sure there is. You can walk in, hand in a note saying you are robbing the bank and to give you all the money in the drawer.

No violence at all in such an action, quite peaceful.

Nice stretch into false attribution, again. Those kind of bank robberies always involve the explicit threat of violence, with a bomb or a gun or whatever.

There is no explicit threat of violence wrt OWS.
 

monovillage

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Nice stretch into false attribution, again. Those kind of bank robberies always involve the explicit threat of violence, with a bomb or a gun or whatever.

There is no explicit threat of violence wrt OWS.

If you're breaking the law, you cease to be peaceful.
 

cybrsage

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Nice stretch into false attribution, again. Those kind of bank robberies always involve the explicit threat of violence, with a bomb or a gun or whatever.

Please point to the explicit threat of violence in my post, else admit you lied about it.

To make it easy for you, here is what I posted:

"Sure there is. You can walk in, hand in a note saying you are robbing the bank and to give you all the money in the drawer.

No violence at all in such an action, quite peaceful."

Please highlight the part where there is an "explicit threat of violence".
 

OrByte

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Wait, you now want to divide #Occupy protesters by small groups so you can point to the 8 or 10 over there in the corner and say "Those #Occupy protesters never pushed old women, broke an EMT's leg, punched a reporter, broke out windows, defecated on a cop car, used children to blockade a door or kept a man from getting his 2 year old son home? If they are breaking the law, they aren't peaceful protesters. Hence the "peacefully robbing a bank" it can't be done, if you're breaking the law, you cease to become peaceful.

In your mind breaking the law equates to breaking the peace?
 

monovillage

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In your mind breaking the law equates to breaking the peace?

In my mind when you break the law you have stepped over the boundary between peaceful and violent. A lawbreaker expects that any attempt to arrest them has to involve force of one type or another and since it was done by their own volition the responsibility belongs to the law breaker.
 

Jhhnn

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Please point to the explicit threat of violence in my post, else admit you lied about it.

To make it easy for you, here is what I posted:

"Sure there is. You can walk in, hand in a note saying you are robbing the bank and to give you all the money in the drawer.

No violence at all in such an action, quite peaceful."

Please highlight the part where there is an "explicit threat of violence".

Sounds peachy & all, except for the fact that the note must include a threat of violence to be credible. "I have a gun." There's a bomb in my backpack." "I'm holding your children hostage."

Reference a real life bank robbery where no threat of violence was involved. That's your contention, so back it up.

Or go try it yourself, report back to us, OK?
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Not sure why you are bothering arguing with cybrsage or monovillage. Both are clearly trolls and I've had them on my ignore list for quite some time now.

If all you watch is Fox News everyday it's easy to see how you can view OWS as nothing but a bunch of socialist, rapist, communist, drug addicts. It's literally quite sickening how much misinformation spews forth from that network. Unparalleled in cable news.
 

cybrsage

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Sounds peachy & all, except for the fact that the note must include a threat of violence to be credible. "I have a gun." There's a bomb in my backpack." "I'm holding your children hostage."

No, it does not. In fact, I wrote something which did not include it, thereby proving it does not.

Reference a real life bank robbery where no threat of violence was involved. That's your contention, so back it up.


Easy to do, here you go. This site has a collection of bank robbery notes:

Give me all the money
Don’t look around or
let anyone know what’s going on
http://www.banknotes365.com/

It is at the very top of the page. There are more:

need money, no dye packs
I don’t want any trouble,
hand me all of your hundreds
$100, no discussion
Give me 400 $100 bills.
Just do what this says.
Don’t push the alarm.
This is a robbery.
Give me the money in an envelope.

It appears that approx 2/5 of the bank robbery notes make no mention of violence at all.

The page lists if the person was successs, if they were caught, and how much they stole. I referenced many real life robberies. Care to admit you are wrong now and that a bank robbery can be performed without any threat of violence by the robber?
 

cybrsage

Lifer
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Not sure why you are bothering arguing with cybrsage or monovillage. Both are clearly trolls and I've had them on my ignore list for quite some time now.

Ignore lists are the realm of a weak mind which cannot allow itself to be exposed to other views.
 

Jhhnn

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No, it does not. In fact, I wrote something which did not include it, thereby proving it does not.




Easy to do, here you go. This site has a collection of bank robbery notes:


http://www.banknotes365.com/

It is at the very top of the page. There are more:







It appears that approx 2/5 of the bank robbery notes make no mention of violence at all.

The page lists if the person was successs, if they were caught, and how much they stole. I referenced many real life robberies. Care to admit you are wrong now and that a bank robbery can be performed without any threat of violence by the robber?

Now you're just lame. Your link doesn't tell us if the perp displayed a firearm or not, which, with any demand note, constitutes threat of violence.

I particularly like the woman at the top of the first page- the teller just told her that she couldn't help her... because the teller perceived no threat, obviously.

Just using the word "robbery" is threat of force, given the legal definition of the word-

The taking of money or goods in the possession of another, from his or her person or immediate presence, by force or intimidation.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/robbery

"This is a robbery" constitutes threat of violence.
 

Zebo

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Are we all in agreement that once winter really sets in, the OWS people will decide the warmth of their moms' basements is more important than their cause?

No their mom's will be out there soon enough. SS will not be paid and 3/4 of seniors can't retire without it (assuming stock market doesn't crash then 99% can't afford it). Medicare will not be paid and 99% can't afford medical care without it. http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...er-retirement-crisis-that-will-blow-your-mind

State retirements and pensions will not be paid either as they relied on wild eyed projection and/or were looted by all the scams and frauds. Those loses are real and will be recognized and when they are, theyre going to get a truly ugly surprise.

It's gonna be funny seeing the cops beating people now joining the movement when their retirement checks stop. Bank on it.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...e-pension-over-mortgage-trust.html?cmpid=yhoo

Or your moms out there.

The following are 25 bitter and painful facts about the coming Baby Boomer retirement crisis that will blow your mind....

#1 According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, 46 percent of all American workers have less than $10,000 saved for retirement, and 29 percent of all American workers have less than $1,000 saved for retirement.

#2 According to a recent poll conducted by Americans for Secure Retirement, 88 percent of all Americans are worried about "maintaining a comfortable standard of living in retirement". Last year, that figure was at 73 percent.

#3 A study conducted by Boston College's Center for Retirement Research has found that American workers are $6.6 trillion short of what they need to retire comfortably.

#4 Today, one out of every six elderly Americans lives below the federal poverty line.

#5 On January 1st, 2011 the very first Baby Boomers started to retire. For almost the next 20 years, more than 10,000 Baby Boomers will be retiring every single day.

#6 At the moment, only about 13 percent of all Americans are 65 years of age or older. By 2030, that number will soar to 18 percent.

#7 Right now, there are somewhere around 40 million senior citizens. By 2050 that number is projected to increase to 89 million.

#8 Back in 1991, half of all American workers planned to retire before they reached the age of 65. Today, that number has declined to 23 percent.

#9 According to one recent survey, 74 percent of American workers expect to continue working once they are "retired".

#10 According to a recent AARP survey of Baby Boomers, 40 percent of them plan to work "until they drop".

#11 A poll conducted by CESI Debt Solutions found that 56 percent of American retirees still had outstanding debts when they retired.

#12 A study by a law professor at the University of Michigan found that Americans that are 55 years of age or older now account for 20 percent of all bankruptcies in the United States. Back in 2001, they only accounted for 12 percent of all bankruptcies.

#13 Between 1991 and 2007 the number of Americans between the ages of 65 and 74 that filed for bankruptcy rose by a staggering 178 percent.

#14 What is causing most of these bankruptcies among the elderly? The number one cause is medical bills. According to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine, medical bills are a major factor in more than 60 percent of the personal bankruptcies in the United States. Of those bankruptcies that were caused by medical bills, approximately 75 percent of them involved individuals that actually did have health insurance.

#15 Public retirement funds all over the United States are woefully underfunded. For example, it has been reported that the $33.7 billion Illinois Teachers Retirement System is 61% underfunded and is on the verge of complete collapse.

#16 Most U.S. states have huge pension obligations which threaten to bankrupt them. For example, pension consultant Girard Miller told California's Little Hoover Commission that state and local government bodies in the state of California have $325 billion in combined unfunded pension liabilities. When you break that down, it comes to $22,000 for every single working adult in the state of California.

#17 Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Chicago and Joshua D. Rauh of Northwestern's Kellogg School of Management have calculated the combined pension liability for all 50 U.S. states. What they found was that the 50 states are collectively facing $5.17 trillion in pension obligations, but they only have $1.94 trillion set aside in state pension funds. That is a difference of 3.2 trillion dollars. So where in the world is all of that extra money going to come from?

#18 According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Social Security system paid out more in benefits than it received in payroll taxes in 2010. That was not supposed to happen until at least 2016. Sadly, in the years ahead these "Social Security deficits" are scheduled to become absolutely nightmarish as hordes of Baby Boomers retire.

#19 In 1950, each retiree's Social Security benefit was paid for by 16 U.S. workers. According to new data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are now only 1.75 full-time private sector workers for each person that is receiving Social Security benefits in the United States.

#20 The U.S. government now says that the Medicare trust fund will run out five years faster than they were projecting just last year.

#21 The total cost of just three federal government programs - the Department of Defense, Social Security and Medicare - exceeded the total amount of taxes brought in during fiscal 2010 by 10 billion dollars. In the years ahead expenses related to Social Security and Medicare are projected to skyrocket dramatically.

#22 The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation is the agency of the federal government that pays monthly retirement benefits to hundreds of thousands of retirees that were covered under defined benefit pension plans that failed. The retirement crisis has barely even begun and the PBGC is already dead broke. The PBGC says that it ran a deficit of $26 billion during the fiscal year that just ended and that it will probably need a huge bailout from the federal government.

#23 According to a survey by careerbuilder.com, 36 percent of all Americans say that they don't contribute anything at all to retirement savings.

#24 More than 30 percent of all investors in the United States that are currently in their sixties have more than 80 percent of their 401k plans invested in equities. So what is going to happen to them if the stock market crashes?

#25 A survey taken earlier this year found that 20 percent of all U.S. workers admitted that they had postponed their planned retirement age at least once during the last 12 months. Back in 2008, that number was only at 14 percent.
 
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cybrsage

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Now you're just lame. Your link doesn't tell us if the perp displayed a firearm or not, which, with any demand note, constitutes threat of violence.

Now you are being stupid on purpose. You are one of those people who refuse to admit when you are wrong, even when the proof is easily seen and readily available.

You asked for proof, I provided it. Now it suddenly is not good enough. Stop being a loser for once.


EDIT: Using the VERY good information provided for one of the robberies I listed, I was easily able to find out none of the robbers showed a gun:

Milwaukee police today released security photos of two men who robbed a TCF Bank on N. 76th St. on Monday.
The men entered the bank, at 7932 N. 76th St., about 11:15 a.m. One gave a demand note to a teller. The second suspect stood by the customer work island. After the first man obtained money, both robbers fled and were last seen entering a late 1990s Lincoln Navigator.
Police describe the first robber as a black male, 30 to 35-years-old, about 5-feet-10-inches, 180 pounds and with a slim to medium build. He had a medium complexion, fake beard, black baseball cap and a black hooded sweatshirt.
The second robber was described as a black male, 25 to 30-years-old, 5-feet-10-inches, 190 pounds and with a medium build. He wore blue gloves and a black hooded sweatshirt.
Both robbers wore large-framed glasses.
The vehicle, driven by a third person, was emerald green or forest green. It was described as being in clean condition with tinted windows and stock wheels.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/34264249.html

EDIT img tags are not showing picture, but it is here: http://media.jsonline.com/images/199*147/tcf_suspects-Entering-2.jpg

NO mention of a gun at all...nor any kind of weapon, was in the report. No teller mentioned seeing a gun. No gun on the pictures or video feed. You are going to try and say there was an invisible gun, right?

Please, just admit you are wrong and move past this. Refusing to admit you are wrong when you so obviously are greatly minimized you and puts you in the same level as AUSM...a fool.
 
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Zebo

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The aliens are going to land and save us all before that happens, so do not worry...


What, did you expect a non-stupid reply to your stupid post?

Yeah, just answer where's the money going to come from for these huge deficits in SS/medicare/pensions/state and federal retirements. And don't say print because it's the same as not getting paid.
 

Zebo

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They won't sell bonds at that rate. We're already spending 1.7 trillion more than comes in much of it printed and boomers are just starting to hit the rolls. Printing sees gas at $3.50 a gallon and everything else go up. Seems people with money don't like their money diluted by the FED and charge accordingly. You have seen nothing yet when these shortfalls come that's when hyperinflation will kick in as govt tries to print, it's same as not getting paid.
 

spidey07

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Yeah, just answer where's the money going to come from for these huge deficits in SS/medicare/pensions/state and federal retirements. And don't say print because it's the same as not getting paid.

Tea party is trying to stop it. Occupiers want to push us into full on Greece.

Cloward piven being done by Obama. Wake up people. P
 

Jhhnn

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Now you are being stupid on purpose. You are one of those people who refuse to admit when you are wrong, even when the proof is easily seen and readily available.

You asked for proof, I provided it. Now it suddenly is not good enough. Stop being a loser for once.

Except that you didn't prove anything, other than your own stubborn denial.

If a bank robber produces a note that says "please give me the money in your drawer" while demonstrating to the teller that they have some large object in their hand in their coat pocket, that's threat of violence. It can't be "robbery" w/o force or intimidation, *by definition* of "robbery".

Only a person caught in their own rhetorical corner would refuse to acknowledge that, and you apparently qualify.

OWS *as a movement* doesn't threaten violence at all. It can easily be argued that what organized violence that does occur originates from agent provocateurs and police in riot gear.

It's not like OWS participants are brandishing firearms and raving about second amendment solutions, either. Nobody would do that, would they?
 
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