#OccupyWallstreet

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OrByte

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I'm not jealous, just pointing out the facts. Maybe you're the one that's jealous seeing that you brought it up.

gooooliegee! no need to be mean to me. I was trying to be helpful in pointing out that your jealousy isn't so becoming.


hell hath no fury..... sheesh!
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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ROFLMAO! What a cowardly sack you are. These are your exact words child:
"You must have a permit to assemble, just like you need a permit to bear most types of arms. No right is violated if the assembly is illegal."

"Yes, but since they were illegally assembling, none of what you just claimed is valid."
I'm not in the least surprised you lack the integrity to acknowledge your exact words and the maturity to admit you were wrong ... yet again. Here's a hint. That big 'L' on your forehead does NOT mean you're "1337".



Here's another hint. Not only are such comments exceptionally childish and lame, they may also get you vacationed. I'm not a mod and won't presume to speak for them, but those sorts of comments have provoked harsh responses in the past. If you are truly incapable of anything even marginally intelligent, perhaps it would be better for you just crawl back under your bridge until you regain your composure.

My $0.02.

LOL! Every post of your contains some kind of personal insult which is one way to know you've been defeated. All you've got are insults when met with the overwhelming evidence of fact and reality.
 

spidey07

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Any word on the evictions that are scheduled to happen in Oakland/LA and Philly tonight/early tomorrow? The criminals have said they're not leaving, is a few bulldozers and some flash bangs going to be enough?
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Right, that's my point. In the mind of a liberal, the liberal gets to decide what is ethical or not. To the liberal, any way to spin it as "greed" is unethical and therefore the liberal should take that ill gotten gains. (this has also been demanded by OWS protesters, it is afterall the foundation of communism and what the liberal feels).

Oh, I know exactly what you believe and how you feel. I have completely and totally digested the mind of the liberal. And this country IS going to stop it. Your post reaks of exactly what the liberal thinks - you wish to impose your will on others and force them to live how you think they should. Who the hell are you to tell somebody what's most important? This is America.

And go fuck yourself, I bet I give more to charity than you pay in taxes.
More Hazmat material from the P&N loon. You can fit what you "know" about "liberals" in the head of a pin (which is no coincidence, since you did). One doesn't have to be a liberal to develop a fairly solid definition of ethics, i.e., right and wrong. If it hurts other people, it's wrong. Certainly there's a bit of grey in that, but plundering the economy for personal gain falls clearly on the side of wrong.

(For the record, despite all your chest thumping about how wonderful and successful you are -- or at least your "wife" is -- I suspect I paid more in taxes last year than you earned. It is in large part due to my personal success that I came to realize that a life focused on chasing dollars at all costs is a life wasted. You're not mature enough to understand this, I think, but someday you will ... and it may well be too late.
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Obviously you have some feelings for cyberage or you wouldn't use these terms of endearment when addressing him.
Umm. Hate to burst your bubble, sweetie, but I frequently use such terms when addressing children ... especially amusingly ignorant children.
 

cybrsage

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Nov 17, 2011
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Umm. Hate to burst your bubble, sweetie, but I frequently use such terms when addressing children ... especially amusingly ignorant children.

HEY! Now you are just being unfaithful. Last night you said I was the only man for you, and today you are coming onto other men right in front of me!

You are a lecherous man...I am going to make sure everyone knows about your lack of faithfulness...
 

spidey07

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Aug 4, 2000
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More Hazmat material from the P&N loon. You can fit what you "know" about "liberals" in the head of a pin (which is no coincidence, since you did). One doesn't have to be a liberal to develop a fairly solid definition of ethics, i.e., right and wrong. If it hurts other people, it's wrong. Certainly there's a bit of grey in that, but plundering the economy for personal gain falls clearly on the side of wrong.

(For the record, despite all your chest thumping about how wonderful and successful you are -- or at least your "wife" is -- I suspect I paid more in taxes last year than you earned. It is in large part due to my personal success that I came to realize that a life focused on chasing dollars at all costs is a life wasted. You're not mature enough to understand this, I think, but someday you will ... and it may well be too late.

right, and you get to decide what hurt is. You wish for social and economic "justice". Here's a fact, and if you were successful you'd know that there are winners and losers in all aspects of business. It's the beauty of capitalism and why it mates up so well with basic human instinct which the liberal wants to ignore or destroy - all in the name of "justice".

I told you I know how the liberal thinks.
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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LOL! Every post of your contains some kind of personal insult which is one way to know you've been defeated. All you've got are insults when met with the overwhelming evidence of fact and reality.
Not all, but many. Of course most also contain factual content, something yours generally lack. I offer content to address the debate and insults to express my disdain for people who deny reality and rely on dishonest arguments.
 
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Bowfinger

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right, and you get to decide what hurt is. You wish for social and economic "justice". Here's a fact, and if you were successful you'd know that there are winners and losers in all aspects of business. It's the beauty of capitalism and why it mates up so well with basic human instinct which the liberal wants to ignore or destroy - all in the name of "justice".

I told you I know how the liberal thinks.
I am quite aware that business contains both winners (e.g., me) and losers (e.g., you). That has nothing to do with right and wrong. What you simply cannot comprehend is that it is quite possible to win "fairly", without resorting to unethical actions that hurt your customers, competitors, or taxpayers. For you to deny this, to contend that the only way to succeed is hurting other people, marks you as a sociopath who has no place in civilized society.

Of course none of this pertains to the point that there are more important things in life than money. The pursuit of wealth is fine; the pursuit of wealth at all costs is morally bankrupt. That's another concept I suspect you can't wrap your head around.
 

Bowfinger

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You'll all note cybrsage is desperately trying to change the subject from this, in response to one of his latest lies:

The claim was that you can assemble simply because the constitution says so. This is not true.
ROFLMAO! What a cowardly sack you are. These are your exact words child:
"You must have a permit to assemble, just like you need a permit to bear most types of arms. No right is violated if the assembly is illegal."

"Yes, but since they were illegally assembling, none of what you just claimed is valid."
I'm not in the least surprised you lack the integrity to acknowledge your exact words and the maturity to admit you were wrong ... yet again. Here's a hint. That big 'L' on your forehead does NOT mean you're "1337".


I know, I know, you like to take things out of context so you can ask me for ghey sechs again. You can just ask, no need to play dumb to do it.
Here's another hint. Not only are such comments exceptionally childish and lame, they may also get you vacationed. I'm not a mod and won't presume to speak for them, but those sorts of comments have provoked harsh responses in the past. If you are truly incapable of anything even marginally intelligent, perhaps it would be better for you just crawl back under your bridge until you regain your composure.

My $0.02.
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Bowfinger. If I buy widgets for a dollar and sell them for 300 is the ethical?

Just yes or no.
I'm not impaired by your simple-minded black and white mindset. The real world is virtually never so clean.

If you have a truly free market and can gain that sort of margin, kudos to you. No harm, no foul.

If, however, you have used deep pockets or unethical behavior to artificially pervert the market, e.g., by slandering your competitors, bribing government favor, eliminating competitors, etc., then no, it is not ethical. The devil is in the details.
 

cybrsage

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You'll all note cybrsage is desperately trying to change the subject from this, in response to one of his latest lies:


ROFLMAO! What a cowardly sack you are. These are your exact words child:

Last night you breathed that I was almost too much of a man for you...now today you call me child. You sadden me.

"You must have a permit to assemble, just like you need a permit to bear most types of arms. No right is violated if the assembly is illegal."
"Yes, but since they were illegally assembling, none of what you just claimed is valid."
I'm not in the least surprised you lack the integrity to acknowledge your exact words and the maturity to admit you were wrong

sigh....

Karen Nikos, a UC Davis spokeswoman, said the campers were given written warning to remove the tents by 3 p.m. or police would remove them. She said many of the campers did take down their tents before police arrived.

Nikos said students who were arrested are accused of failure to disperse and lodging without permission of the owner, both misdemeanors.
Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/19/4066159/10-occupy-protesters-arrested.html#ixzz1exQvf7z8


TADA! They were there illegally. I expected you to know the obvious...but I suppose I have to spoon feed you what everyone else already knows.

... yet again. Here's a hint. That big 'L' on your forehead does NOT mean you're "1337".

Last night you said it stood for Lover...why the hate today? Keep this up and I am going to think you were not serious when you said we should move to New York and get married.
 

palehorse

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Dec 21, 2005
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Other than the strange private/public status of Zucotti Park during the first two months, have any of the other overnight OWS protests been "legal"?

Honestly curious.
 

cubby1223

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He's also ignoring that consumer debt is going way down and saving going way up in the obama economy.

He is ignoring a lot of things, and is generally a waste of thought. I'm sure he means well, but has been misguided along the way.
 

HendrixFan

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Oct 18, 2001
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Bullshit. Your question was "who profits?", not "who profits the most?"

Any/every lost sale negatively impacts every link in the chain -- even moreso the employees at the lowest levels... you know, the ones you supposedly hope to lift up.

This is Econ 101 sh1t.

Please go back up the thread and read my post on the matter. Just because someone is getting paid doesn't mean they see a net gain. Go past Econ 101.


Please explain to me how impeding sales solves ANY of that problem without simultaneously damaging those who you are claiming to help.

As I said, it was pretty stupid. They aren't reaching out to the right people, mindless consumers (which make up the majority though not all of BF shoppers) have no care for any kind of movement, certainly one in which they are required to be introspective.

Blocking one sale, or ten, or whatever, does not change anything for the retail worker or the business owner. The volume of change necessary to invoke any kind of change is a long way down the road. If it ever does happen, the reward structure in our society needs to change so that you can solve the bigger issue without damaging those that occupy is claiming to help.

My post was in response specifically to the notion that the only ones who could be hurt by a protest would be the lower rung of workers.
 

HendrixFan

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He's also ignoring that consumer debt is going way down and saving going way up in the obama economy.

What do you consider "way down" and "way up"? I know it has to be a different standard than "way down" or "way up" for taxation to you.

I'm looking at the numbers and over the last 30 years consumer debt is up pretty substantially adjusted for inflation. It dropped this year, but nothing most people would consider "way down" and certainly not enough to have any meaningful impact on the trend line.

So just how much is way down and way up to you?
 

palehorse

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Dec 21, 2005
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My post was in response specifically to the notion that the only ones who could be hurt by a protest would be the lower rung of workers.
I never said "the only ones." In fact, nobody ever said that, and it flies in the face of my entire point.

I specifically said that low-level workers would be the MOST negatively impacted party in a long list of those who stand to profit on every sale -- via lost jobs and/or lower wages.

Please, as you continue to backpeddle and stumble through basic Econ, don't put words into my mouth again.

Here's your last lesson: every normal employee who receives a simple wage in the retail cycle is actually "profiting;" and, in a normal market, their continued livelihood is dependent on the continued success (read: sales) of their employers.

Failures (ie. lost sales) adversely affect every employee who is a part of the cycle -- particularly those who are at/near the bottom.
 
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HendrixFan

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Here's your last lesson: every normal employee who receives a simple wage in the retail cycle is actually "profiting;" and, in a normal market, their continued livelihood is dependent on the continued success (read: sales) of their employers.

Failures (ie. lost sales) adversely affect every employee who is a part of the cycle -- particularly those who are at/near the bottom.

They have been "profiting" less and less and it is at the tipping point now. The middle class is eroding whether you will admit it or not. Paying a wage is better than mass unemployment, but the continual decline in wages is devastating to the country.

You are looking at wages as a snapshot, look at it on a timeline.
 
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