#OccupyWallstreet

[Londo_Jowo]

US Law Enforcement Officers are not subject to the Geneva Convention when carrying out their duties within the US.

 

[palehorse]

Against the GC?

lol

The US military still issues and uses both CS and OC spray systems for crowd control and detainee operations in war zones. We carried a spray system on every operation in Afghanistan and Iraq...

 

[airdata]

The statement you posted is very explicit:

"Each State Party undertakes not to use riot control agents as a method of warfare. "
Your view that riot control agents cannot be used inside a country if that country is engaged in warfare in a foreign land is absurd. It neither says nor implies such a thing.
It means you cannot use pepper spray a weapon of war. You know this, so why do you say otherwise?

Well, I'd assume a person with sound logic would deduce that if something is deemed so bad that it's banned from use in times of war, that it would also be inappropriate to use against random citizens. That of course is just sound logic.

Officer Bologna of the NYPD was the first guy caught maliciously pepper spraying people. I'm sure his rank and seniority helped his slap on the wrist punishment in the loss of vacation time. What kind of a man sprays random women on the street with pepper spray? And when you have ranking officers doing that what kind of message does that send to the grunts in riot gear?

Other officers have been disciplined as well for inappropriate use of pepper spray. So obviously their actions were deemed inappropriate.

The guy in the video interview I posted developed guidelines by which to use pepper spray and he condemns it's use at UC Davis. That's really all there was to the post.

It's really simple. From searching around it looks like officers have to pass a certification course on pepper spray and other chemical agents in order to be able to carry them. So many officers have shown that they didn't retain anything from this training.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It appears that the protesters chose not to follow sound logic. When told to disperse or pepper spray was going to be used, common logic would be to disperse and not subject one's self to being pepper sprayed.

 

[Ninjahedge]

It's really simple. From searching around it looks like officers have to pass a certification course on pepper spray and other chemical agents in order to be able to carry them. So many officers have shown that they didn't retain anything from this training.

Training:

-You point can this way
>grunt<
-You pull safety pin
>grunt<
-You pull trigger
>grunt grunt<
-Class over!
*Grunts leave room*

 

[airdata]

Training:

-You point can this way
>grunt<
-You pull safety pin
>grunt<
-You pull trigger
>grunt grunt<
-Class over!
*Grunts leave room*

I wouldn't be surprised if some training centers were run like that. It's the same as having your drivers license when you don't know how to drive.

 

[spidey07]

Training:

-You point can this way
>grunt<
-You pull safety pin
>grunt<
-You pull trigger
>grunt grunt<
-Class over!
*Grunts leave room*

You forgot the important parts:
1) Apply liberally to hippies
2) Make sure to coat the eyes, sinus cavity and mouth for maximum effect
3) If they are still there, repeat at step 1.

 

[lokiju]

It appears that the protesters chose not to follow sound logic. When told to disperse or pepper spray was going to be used, common logic would be to disperse and not subject one's self to being pepper sprayed.

I'm sure it varies all over and some people forget things in the heat of the moment like the training class they took years ago.

My uncle is a cop down in FL, he transports people from the court room after they've been sentenced, this often leads to people going ape shit nuts thinking they have nothing else to lose when they get a long sentence or worse so he has to tackle them often.

That aside, he had to be sprayed in the face with the pepper spray he carries as did everyone else that carries it where he works. Same with the Taser. He had to be shot with one in his back before he was allowed to carry one.

In both cases this was done to make sure they understand what they're inflicting on someone else before doing so and understand the results from their perspective.

I think something else that does pertain here is that since he has become a cop, he his always on high alert 24/7 with everything. Has made him seem from my perspective to live a life of constant worry and fear that a situation is about to get out of hand at any moment. He can't turn it off. He works in an environment where his "customers" basically try to injure him or worse on a daily basis and show nothing but hate for him. He's always in a mode where, even if he's on vacation and we're all out as a family at some restaurant lets say, he's looking for any possible issues that can pop up and his goal is to always be on top of any situation so he takes control of it before it's out of his control.

It sucks IMO to have to be like that all the time. Constantly on edge but it has shown me some personal insight into why cops can be so over reactive and harsh at times, even more so when they're in a hostile situation.

He himself says all cops are just human though and some are just as dumb and bad as there might be in any other line of profession where there might be a few crappy employees but overall the majority aren't. The bad ones often paint the rest in the same colors often though.

Just my ¢2

 

[bfdd]

Well firstly, reported. I've been banned for lesser things than calling people a pussy when you don't even know what you're talking about.

Secondly, I'm old enough to not go around calling people a pussy or other such names. Your post has absolutely no merit. There's no censoring that has gone on.

I even see a few people who admit it was taken out of context. I don't want my user name in some idiots signature. If he's dumb enough to not have seen the sarcasm in that post, his posts aren't worth reading. He's either too dumb to understand simple sarcasm or a troll.

Look at people like Jowo... i have him on ignore and for good reason. Go look at his last 10 posts. Tell me if any of them are relevant to the tread. Name calling, one liner posts, and simple ignorance. There's not even an opposing viewpoint. He is simply a troll. If none of his posts are relevant to the thread or any discussion... that's a troll. Why should I not put a troll on ignore?

I post a video interview from a guy who developed pepper spray and trained people how to use it, certified them, etc. Nobody of an opposing viewpoint is even interested in commenting on the video.

Nobody responds to this stuff. They name call, try to change the subject or simply ignore any post that they have no valid retort to.

Uh... I backed you on the out of context stuff, doesn't change the fact you're a pussy for putting people on ignore. Waah, someone called me a name. It's not an insult or whatever if it's true. You can't handle a little name calling or dissenting opinions so you ignore people. That's puss plain and simple. To weak to take a little criticism, lols.

 

[spidey07]

LOL! Found the new face of the movement. Arrested along with 200 others in Oakland occupiers.

I can't help but keep chanting "two men enter, one man leaves! two men enter, one man leaves!"

 

[Londo_Jowo]

@lokiju

Still doesn't change the fact the protesters were given ample notice if they didn't disperse pepper spray would be deployed. I'm sure they thought the Police were bluffing so they decided to call the bluff, too bad they had to pay the consequences of their decision.

 

[airdata]

LOL! Found the new face of the movement. Arrested along with 200 others in Oakland occupiers.

I can't help but keep chanting "two men enter, one man leaves! two men enter, one man leaves!"

ROFL...

 

[bfdd]

lol i dont know what picture i like better, the cop macing jesus or the protesters ridiculousness lols.

 

[JSt0rm]

that dude looks sweet. He just needs a few squirrel pelts and a football shoulder pad.

 

[HendrixFan]

LOL! Found the new face of the movement.

I've found a better one.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-spreads-beyond-nyc/100165/#img04

 

[spidey07]

I've found a better one.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-spreads-beyond-nyc/100165/#img04

I see a lot of signs by the socialist and communist parties. Lots of anti-capitalist messages as well.

Are you OK with that and do you support their goals?

 

[cybrsage]

Well, I'd assume a person with sound logic would deduce that if something is deemed so bad that it's banned from use in times of war, that it would also be inappropriate to use against random citizens. That of course is just sound logic. .

So you support the use of cluster bombs by campus police? You cannot compare the rules of warfare with the rules of policework. They are not closely related enough.

picture of someone spraying Jesus

Uh oh...if posting a picture of Michelle Obama next to Chewbacca is worthy of points and a warning, you are in a heap of trouble. Reported.

 

[HendrixFan]

I see a lot of signs by the socialist and communist parties. Lots of anti-capitalist messages as well.

Are you OK with that and do you support their goals?

Uhm, I was just looking at the Minka Kelly/Rose Byrne lookalike. Signs? Who cares about signs?

PS - I linked to image 4 for a reason.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/occupy100711/o04_01020838.jpg

 

[palehorse]

Uhm, I was just looking at the Minka Kelly/Rose Byrne lookalike. Signs? Who cares about signs?

PS - I linked to image 4 for a reason.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/occupy100711/o04_01020838.jpg

Image 6 is equally entertaining...

 

[Craig234]

Here's a video interview with Scott Olsen, the vet who was shot in the head with a cannister not intended to be shot at people.

It's very sad seeing the clear brain injury to his speech, which is said to be much better than it was when he couldn't talk.

Now his speech is more slurred, sometimes he switches word, such as not being able to say 'tour' and changing it to 'deployment'.

This was clearly excessive force with terrible harm to a citizen protesting peacefully.

It could easily have been even worse. Watch the video before responding.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2011/11/28/18701164.php

 

[cybrsage]

Why was he hanging out with rioters?

 

[bfdd]

It was clearly bad form for them to hit him in the head with that, but at the same time accidents happen. Has it been proven to be anything more than an accident? I agree it's excessive force, if intentional.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Um:

1. They were not rioters.
2. Are you his mother?


loki... I agree with you on cops. I have met some great ones (and am related to some as well) that handle tense situations very well.

The problem is when the cop CAN'T stay cool headed and LOGICAL with a tense situation. THESE ARE NOT THE GUYS TO HANDLE A PROTEST SCENE.

Cops are human, and some humans are dicks. Validating any action because of a uniform is unfair to all of us, and them.

 

[bfdd]

Um:

1. They were not rioters.
2. Are you his mother?


loki... I agree with you on cops. I have met some great ones (and am related to some as well) that handle tense situations very well.

The problem is when the cop CAN'T stay cool headed and LOGICAL with a tense situation. THESE ARE NOT THE GUYS TO HANDLE A PROTEST SCENE.

Cops are human, and some humans are dicks. Validating any action because of a uniform is unfair to all of us, and them.

I agree very much with your post, there is no excuse for it, but at the same time I don't see anything wrong with them trying to evict these guys either. Just maybe disagree with the methods.

 

[monovillage]

Here's a video interview with Scott Olsen, the vet who was shot in the head with a cannister not intended to be shot at people.

It's very sad seeing the clear brain injury to his speech, which is said to be much better than it was when he couldn't talk.

Now his speech is more slurred, sometimes he switches word, such as not being able to say 'tour' and changing it to 'deployment'.

This was clearly excessive force with terrible harm to a citizen protesting peacefully.

It could easily have been even worse. Watch the video before responding.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2011/11/28/18701164.php

I feel bad for Mr. Olsen, i hope he has a full and speedy recovery. I also felt bad for Dane Searles when he jumped his bike off a balcony intending to hit a pool.
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/stor...s-dies-after-balcony-fall-in-Australia-112411
People that engage in dangerous behavior often get killed or injured doing it, it's the risks they take. At least the BMX assoc. isn't parading Searles body around hoping to get some good press off it. I also didn't see anyplace in your link for supporters to send money for his hospitalization or his rehabilitation. Too bad his supporters won't put their own money where their press releases are.