#OccupyWallstreet

[Bowfinger]

I feel bad for Mr. Olsen, i hope he has a full and speedy recovery. ... I also didn't see anyplace in your link for supporters to send money for his hospitalization or his rehabilitation. Too bad his supporters won't put their own money where their press releases are.

More dishonest smears from you. How unsurprising. Why don't you put "Scott Olsen fund" into Google and report back on all the hits you get?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

This was clearly excessive force with terrible harm to a citizen protesting peacefully.

Craig do you have proof that this was intentional? Was he given ample warning by the Police to cease and desist or disperse?

The truth of the matter is had Scott Olsen not been at the protest he never would have been hurt.

 

[monovillage]

More dishonest smears from you. How unsurprising. Why don't you put "Scott Olsen fund" into Google and report back on all the hits you get?

You're the one lying, it wasn't in the link as I stated clearly.

 

[thraashman]

Craig do you have proof that this was intentional? Was he given ample warning by the Police to cease and desist or disperse?

The truth of the matter is had Scott Olsen not been at the protest he never would have been hurt.

So what you're saying is that if a person exercises their First Amendment rights that they deserve to be physically assaulted by police?

It's become downright sickening seeing how conservatives are responding to the American People exercising their rights and having a voice. Though since they aren't incorporated and spending money on television ads, I guess in the conservative mind they don't get First Amendment rights.

 

[Bowfinger]

I see a lot of signs by the socialist and communist parties. Lots of anti-capitalist messages as well.

Are you OK with that and do you support their goals?

While I'm sure that's what YOU see, it's not because that's what's really there. It's a byproduct of your cognitive dissonance, where you only see what you already believe.

I looked through all the pictures at all the signs that were legible. I can't tell for sure which signs may have been sponsored by the "socialist and communist" parties. I don't obsess over them as you do and don't have the Secret Nutter Decoder Ring to translate ordinary thoughts into "yes, but we really know it means ..." I certainly didn't see anything that promoted socialism or communism directly.

I saw exactly two signs that denounced capitalism. In contrast, the vast majority of the signs attacked corruption, greed, politicians in general (of both parties), corporations, billionaires, etc. In short, they matched the same general OWS message that most people expect.

I'm sure you disagree with this, so here's a challenge. Go through each picture, count the number of signs, then write down the specific ones you claim are anti-capitalism. Give us the ratio, give us the examples, and then explain exactly how you can rationalize that this is the primary message of OWS.

One other obvious note from these photos is that the people who parrot the "non-bathing hippies" propaganda are absolutely clueless. They're just repeating what Fox and that ilk have told them to say. Looking at the actual protests, however, it is crystal clear OWS crosses a broad section of Americans, both by age and by social status. (There are also quite a few hotties. Makes me want to get behind them even more.)

 

[Bowfinger]

You're the one lying, it wasn't in the link as I stated clearly.

Yes dear. You also said, and I quote verbatim, "Too bad his supporters won't put their own money where their press releases are." Your words, chump, and they are yet another of your lies.

 

[Bowfinger]

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It's become downright sickening seeing how conservatives are responding to the American People exercising their rights and having a voice. Though since they aren't incorporated and spending money on television ads, I guess in the conservative mine they don't get First Amendment rights.

No kidding. It's positively repugnant how so many on the right want to give more rights to corporations than they do to actual People. I don't know how one can be more un-American than that.

In that vein, I enjoyed this sign from the link earlier: "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one." Touche.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So what you're saying is that if a person exercises their First Amendment rights that they deserve to be physically assaulted by police?

It's become downright sickening seeing how conservatives are responding to the American People exercising their rights and having a voice. Though since they aren't incorporated and spending money on television ads, I guess in the conservative mine they don't get First Amendment rights.

It's one thing to exercise their 1st amendment rights however, those rights don't extend to breaking the law. Why is it so hard for such highly educated people to understand this simple fact?

 

[JSt0rm]

It's one thing to exercise their 1st amendment rights however, those rights don't extend to breaking the law. Why is it so hard for such highly educated people to understand this simple fact?

interesting. So you are saying laws can be made that remove rights?

 

[Craig234]

I feel bad for Mr. Olsen, i hope he has a full and speedy recovery. I also felt bad for Dane Searles when he jumped his bike off a balcony intending to hit a pool.
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/stor...s-dies-after-balcony-fall-in-Australia-112411
People that engage in dangerous behavior often get killed or injured doing it, it's the risks they take. At least the BMX assoc. isn't parading Searles body around hoping to get some good press off it. I also didn't see anyplace in your link for supporters to send money for his hospitalization or his rehabilitation. Too bad his supporters won't put their own money where their press releases are.

Crappy response.

First, you deflect. If someone said the holocaust is bad, you say 'the black plague was too'.

This issue has nothing to do with a bicycle rider, and peacefully protesting is NOT 'taking risk' like bike stunts of getting shot in the head by police.

It may be 'a risk', but it's not the same type. Your acceptace of the loss of the right to protest without being 'at risk' for being shot in the head makes you un-American.

Then, you simply attack the people exercising their right to protest.

Again, someone publicizes the holocaust, you say 'how much have YOU donated to the rehabilitation of the injured?' You're an enemy of the people supporting Americans.

You post tirelessly here as the enemy of occupy, with every fallacrious, nit-picking, hyped attack you can come up with, serving no interest but the crooks.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

interesting. So you are saying laws can be made that remove rights?

Go break a law and see what rights you have other than to not incriminate yourself.

You have the right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions. Do you understand?
Anything you do say may be used against you in a court of law. Do you understand?
You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future. Do you understand?
If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. Do you understand?
If you decide to answer questions now without an attorney present you will still have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney. Do you understand?
Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present?

 

[monovillage]

Yes dear. You also said, and I quote verbatim, "Too bad his supporters won't put their own money where their press releases are." Your words, chump, and they are yet another of your lies.

I also clearly stated that it wasn't anyplace in his link, he was trying to get mileage out of Mr. Olsen's injury, but not provide support. I also noticed that the fund raising for Mr. Olsen are all from veterans cause funds. Is there nothing from #Occupy?

 

[Bowfinger]

I also clearly stated that it wasn't anyplace in his link,

Right. That would be the "Yes dear. You also ..." part of my post. In your next sentence you took that factual beginning and blew it up into dishonest nonsense. That's what I called you on.

he was trying to get mileage out of Mr. Olsen's injury, but not provide support.

Oh. Then perhaps you should have stuck to an accurate comment like "Too bad he wouldn't put his own money where his press release is." Sadly for you, you didn't.

I also noticed that the fund raising for Mr. Olsen are all from veterans cause funds. Is there nothing from #Occupy?

I'm confused now. You seemed to know. You're the one who stated as fact that, "his supporters won't put their own money where their press releases are." Are you now admitting that you don't actually know, that you just made it up?

 

[bfdd]

spidey is silly, there's nothing wrong with socialism as long as it doesn't infringe upon liberty.

 

[airdata]

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the stupidest line of the week :

The truth of the matter is had Scott Olsen not been at the protest he never would have been hurt.

But he was there... and they shot him in the head w\ a gas canister... and then they threw a flash bang on the ground where he was laying w\ a fractured skull... There's NO excuse for that behavior at all. To even try to play it down simply makes you an idiot.

How about you say... well, if the police were properly trained, they wouldn't have shot him in the head. If they were fit for duty as a police officer, they wouldn't have nonchalantly tossed an explosive device pretty much in his face as he lay on the pavement badly wounded.

 

[monovillage]

Crappy response.

First, you deflect. If someone said the holocaust is bad, you say 'the black plague was too'.

This issue has nothing to do with a bicycle rider, and peacefully protesting is NOT 'taking risk' like bike stunts of getting shot in the head by police.

It may be 'a risk', but it's not the same type. Your acceptace of the loss of the right to protest without being 'at risk' for being shot in the head makes you un-American.

Did you really watch the video of Mr. Olsen and his navy friend ? You don't think that's risky? What's un-American is you want special "Rights" for causes you support like #Occupy, but are perfectly happy with the restrictions on abortion protesters or other protesters you idealogically oppose. At least i'm consistent that all laws should be equally upheld.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the stupidest line of the week :



But he was there... and they shot him in the head w\ a gas canister... and then they threw a flash bang on the ground where he was laying w\ a fractured skull... There's NO excuse for that behavior at all. To even try to play it down simply makes you an idiot.

How about you say... well, if the police were properly trained, they wouldn't have shot him in the head. If they were fit for duty as a police officer, they wouldn't have nonchalantly tossed an explosive device pretty much in his face as he lay on the pavement badly wounded.

Don't do the crime if you're not willing to pay the consequences, it's so simple.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Well, they couldn't get to the injured guy because of all the people protecting him from the crowd, so the flashbang was needed to clear them out in a writhing blind mass so they wouldn't do something like spit on them as they tried to arres... I mean, "help" him up.



durf.

 

[monovillage]

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the stupidest line of the week :



But he was there... and they shot him in the head w\ a gas canister... and then they threw a flash bang on the ground where he was laying w\ a fractured skull... There's NO excuse for that behavior at all. To even try to play it down simply makes you an idiot.

How about you say... well, if the police were properly trained, they wouldn't have shot him in the head. If they were fit for duty as a police officer, they wouldn't have nonchalantly tossed an explosive device pretty much in his face as he lay on the pavement badly wounded.

Just curious, but other then the "Anonymous" threat, is there any evidence that it was from a police shot and if so do they have evidence on who shot it?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Well, they couldn't get to the injured guy because of all the people protecting him from the crowd, so the flashbang was needed to clear them out in a writhing blind mass so they wouldn't do something like spit on them as they tried to arres... I mean, "help" him up.



durf.

Are you sure that he wasn't injured by the untrained people who carried him away to prevent his arrest?

 

[Ninjahedge]

BTW mono,

Taking a risk does not validate its existence.

The point being, that should NOT have been a risk in the first place. The cops did not conduct themselves properly and put the people at more risk and danger than is allowed in a situation like this.

The risk taker should not be responsible for the improper actions of an official.

 

[cybrsage]

interesting. So you are saying laws can be made that remove rights?

This comes down to what is considered a right. Is driving a right? How about living close to a school when you are a convicted child molester?

Many rights people claim are not rights. For the ones which actually are rights, we have the Supreme Court.

 

[monovillage]

BTW mono,

Taking a risk does not validate its existence.

The point being, that should NOT have been a risk in the first place. The cops did not conduct themselves properly and put the people at more risk and danger than is allowed in a situation like this.

The risk taker should not be responsible for the improper actions of an official.

Not that you don't have a valid point, you do. It's still my opinion though that as the law breaking escalated with repeated orders for the police to leave the area and disperse that the protesters should have begun withdrawing. Remember they were the ones breaking the law, they were the ones that escalated the confrontation.

I should also say that if a police officer deliberately targeted Mr. Olsen and tried to shoot him with the TG shot, that he should be prosecuted. It's why I asked for evidence.

 

[Patranus]

I just think it is funny how these people are all over the country acting like spoiled brats who will vote lock step Democrat in November when they should be in D.C. on the White House lawn protesting Obama as D.C. is where all of these claimed criminals are located - in the Obama administration.

 

[Bowfinger]

I just think it is funny how these people are all over the country acting like spoiled brats who will vote lock step Democrat in November when they should be in D.C. on the White House lawn protesting Obama as D.C. is where all of these claimed criminals are located - in the Obama administration.

Point of fact, there have been OWS demonstrations in DC as well. They are apparently protesting in pretty much every major city.