#OccupyWallstreet

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Bowfinger

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This comes down to what is considered a right. Is driving a right? How about living close to a school when you are a convicted child molester?

Many rights people claim are not rights. For the ones which actually are rights, we have the Supreme Court.
Free speech and freedom of assembly are Constitutional rights. That's what we're talking about here, not irrelevant duhversions like driving.
 

palehorse

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I just think it is funny how these people are all over the country acting like spoiled brats who will vote lock step Democrat in November when they should be in D.C. on the White House lawn protesting Obama as D.C. is where all of these claimed criminals are located - in the Obama administration.
The problem lies with every single elected or appointed National official in DC, not just "the Obama administration." He and his closest crew are certainly poster children for corruption, but they're not alone...
 

palehorse

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Free speech and freedom of assembly are Constitutional rights. That's what we're talking about here, not irrelevant duhversions like driving.
You need to remember, though, that there are legal limitations on both of those rights.
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
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You need to remember, though, that there are legal limitations on both of those rights.
Agreed. I was just trying to cut off cybrsage's "driving" duhversion before we launched off into a ten page tangent on whether driving is a privilege or a right.
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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Free speech and freedom of assembly are Constitutional rights. That's what we're talking about here, not irrelevant duhversions like driving.

Without a permit, you cannot assemble. The Supreme Court already ruled on this a long time ago.

You cannot cry fire in a crowded theater. The Supreme Court already ruled on this a long time ago.

Free speech and freedom of assembly are not things to be used to commit crimes. Sorry to be the first to tell you this.
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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Agreed. I was just trying to cut off cybrsage's "driving" duhversion before we launched off into a ten page tangent on whether driving is a privilege or a right.


It is a privilege which many call a right. My point, which you seemed to miss, is that many things people call rights are not actually right. Such as the "right" to assemble without a permit and stay there after the police arrive to evict you.
 

cybrsage

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Nov 17, 2011
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I should also say that if a police officer deliberately targeted Mr. Olsen and tried to shoot him with the TG shot, that he should be prosecuted. It's why I asked for evidence.

From what I have read, it bounced off the street and he happened to be standing close to where it hit.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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This comes down to what is considered a right. Is driving a right? How about living close to a school when you are a convicted child molester?

Many rights people claim are not rights. For the ones which actually are rights, we have the Supreme Court.

Nobody claims those are rights you dim wit.
 

Nebor

Lifer
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Sorry, I did not realize English was not your first language. Contex is the events surrounding something. For example, if you read someone saying the British had troops in Russia fighting against the Russians, you would wonder what is going on. Taken in the context of the Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War in1918 we see a very different event.

Context is king. Taking things out of context on purpose is either trolling or stupidity.

Unfortunately my first language is latin. My parents incorrectly predicted that it would make a comeback in the late 20th century.
 

cybrsage

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Nov 17, 2011
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Unfortunately my first language is latin. My parents incorrectly predicted that it would make a comeback in the late 20th century.

I feel bad for you...though you could have become a Catholic Priest, would help a bit there.
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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Point of fact, there have been OWS demonstrations in DC as well. They are apparently protesting in pretty much every major city.

I looked it up:

On Nov. 23, the National Park Service sent the District of Columbia's dual downtown Occupy camps a memo stating that U.S. Park Police officers will be increasing patrol activities in the two federal parks "due to increasing problems of public urination and defecation, illegal drug and alcohol use, and assaults."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...ion-national-park-service-memo_n_1117096.html

You are right, the OWS non-bathers are definately there and they are doing what they did at all the other places they gathered.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
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Free speech and freedom of assembly are Constitutional rights. That's what we're talking about here, not irrelevant duhversions like driving.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

As Democrats have now taught us via their interpretation of the second amendment, "the people" doesn't actually mean private citizens. It only refers soldiers and other government employees.

 

bfdd

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Feb 3, 2007
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Ladies and gentlemen, here is the stupidest line of the week :



But he was there... and they shot him in the head w\ a gas canister... and then they threw a flash bang on the ground where he was laying w\ a fractured skull... There's NO excuse for that behavior at all. To even try to play it down simply makes you an idiot.

How about you say... well, if the police were properly trained, they wouldn't have shot him in the head. If they were fit for duty as a police officer, they wouldn't have nonchalantly tossed an explosive device pretty much in his face as he lay on the pavement badly wounded.

if it was intentional it's devious, if it was an accident it was an unfortunate one. why are you so quick to demonize the police or the officer which did it if it was unintentional? Because he should have known better or been better trained? I don't disagree, but that has never not once prevented an accident from occurring before so what makes you think it would stop it this time around?

Like I said I don't condone these actions, but there is clearly more to it than some dude just getting capped in the head.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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As Democrats have now taught us via their interpretation of the second amendment, "the people" doesn't actually mean private citizens. It only refers soldiers and other government employees.


Democrats? Really? They originated Free Speech Zones?
 

Double Trouble

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Oct 9, 1999
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I'm actually somewhat surprised it took this long for cities around the country to get tired of this shtick and start clearing out the garbage. Protest all you want, but you'll have to follow the law like anyone else, and you can't trample on other people's rights when protesting. The cities have been more than lenient with the OWS crowd, but it's time to clear them out.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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I'm actually somewhat surprised it took this long for cities around the country to get tired of this shtick and start clearing out the garbage. Protest all you want, but you'll have to follow the law like anyone else, and you can't trample on other people's rights when protesting. The cities have been more than lenient with the OWS crowd, but it's time to clear them out.
This. While these people once served an important function (i.e. showing why work and education in a useful field are important), they have long since ceased to amuse.

Ticks demanding a bigger slice of dog.
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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If that's all there is to it, I'd offer that Portapotties are cheaper than LEO overtime, a lot cheaper...

But then there wouldn't be much to attack, would there?

Most people realize that pooping all over the place, peeing all over the place, and throwing garbage all over the place is bad.

But most people also think not bathing is bad.
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Psst...Free Speech is NOT in the Second Amendment.
You're pretty much completely incapable of following a discussion, aren't you? You zero in on a couple of words or phrases and jump right in without any attempt to consider overall context. Maybe I'll write a cybrsage_2.0 script to emulate you. Shouldn't be that hard.
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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He responded to a post about democrats and the second amendment by mentioning the first. I did expect YOU to know the difference between the two, was I mistaken?
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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As Democrats have now taught us via their interpretation of the second amendment, "the people" doesn't actually mean private citizens. It only refers soldiers and other government employees.

As opposed to Republicans who think it only refers to corporations and the wealthy elite?
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
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You're pretty much completely incapable of following a discussion, aren't you? You zero in on a couple of words or phrases and jump right in without any attempt to consider overall context. Maybe I'll write a cybrsage_2.0 script to emulate you. Shouldn't be that hard.
Wait - isn't that how we got Craig?

When will man learn not to tamper with God's Creations?
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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He responded to a post about democrats and the second amendment by mentioning the first. I did expect YOU to know the difference between the two, was I mistaken?
Indeed, a fairly short and limited script would do the trick nicely.
 
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