#OccupyWallstreet

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cybrsage

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If you pattern it after your posts, it could be done with 2 lines:

10 ? "something stupid"
20 goto 10
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
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I see a lot of signs by the socialist and communist parties. Lots of anti-capitalist messages as well.

Are you OK with that and do you support their goals?
While I'm sure that's what YOU see, it's not because that's what's really there. It's a byproduct of your cognitive dissonance, where you only see what you already believe.

I looked through all the pictures at all the signs that were legible. I can't tell for sure which signs may have been sponsored by the "socialist and communist" parties. I don't obsess over them as you do and don't have the Secret Nutter Decoder Ring to translate ordinary thoughts into "yes, but we really know it means ..." I certainly didn't see anything that promoted socialism or communism directly.

I saw exactly two signs that denounced capitalism. In contrast, the vast majority of the signs attacked corruption, greed, politicians in general (of both parties), corporations, billionaires, etc. In short, they matched the same general OWS message that most people expect.

I'm sure you disagree with this, so here's a challenge. Go through each picture, count the number of signs, then write down the specific ones you claim are anti-capitalism. Give us the ratio, give us the examples, and then explain exactly how you can rationalize that this is the primary message of OWS.

One other obvious note from these photos is that the people who parrot the "non-bathing hippies" propaganda are absolutely clueless. They're just repeating what Fox and that ilk have told them to say. Looking at the actual protests, however, it is crystal clear OWS crosses a broad section of Americans, both by age and by social status. (There are also quite a few hotties. Makes me want to get behind them even more.)
Yo, Spidey. Man enough to demonstrate you can face the harsh glare of reality and actually look at the world honestly and objectively? Here's a chance to show you can do it.
 

airdata

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From what I have read, it bounced off the street and he happened to be standing close to where it hit.

With enough velocity to fracture his skull and cause brain damage.... I find that hard to believe.

The more likely scenario would be that it was a direct shot. Not unlike the flash bang that was carefully tossed to his location as he lay badly wounded on the sidewalk when people tried to help him up.


You guys should tell all of the bad cops to stop muddying the benefit of doubt for the legit cops.
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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With enough velocity to fracture his skull and cause brain damage.... I find that hard to believe.

Never fired one and never hung out with hooligans who did things which would cause one to be shot in my direction. No idea how they bounce, etc.

I can say that people die falling out of bed, though. Not most people, but some do. Who knows if it was a perfect hit to cause a fracture even if it was not moving fast.

I really cannot say. Just repeating what I read after it happened.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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Yo, Spidey. Man enough to demonstrate you can face the harsh glare of reality and actually look at the world honestly and objectively? Here's a chance to show you can do it.

That's because you continue to see this movement for what you wish it to be, what you feel it to be instead of what it really is.

Are you STILL going to ignore all the signs and messages from socialists, communists and anti-capitlist? Your ability to deny facts and reality is astounding, it's the mind of a liberal. Are you really that blind?





 

airdata

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Nobody finds it weird that a highly respected publication would be toning itself down for america?

This is how mainstream media works. You have to go watch RT or Al Jazeera to see unedited news coverage from around the world.
 
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spidey07

No Lifer
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America the free... oh wait. Wouldn't want people reading about revolutions happening around the world, would we?

Keep spreading your message OWS! This is your arab spring, your democracy in action! Your revolution is here, time to act! This is YOUR revolution, your arab spring! Whose revolution is it? It's YOURS! Get to work revolutionary, feet on the street, and don't forget to shit before you go.

Please oh please keep spreading your message of communism, it's exposing the left for their true goals. Americans want none of what you're pushing, but please do keep it up.
 
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airdata

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Are you STILL going to ignore all the signs and messages from socialists, communists and anti-capitlist? Your ability to deny facts and reality is astounding, it's the mind of a liberal. Are you really that blind?

Why do you pretend that the beliefs and actions of extreme minority fringe groups effects 100% of a group of people they've chosen to come mingle with?

Is it so hard to come to grips with the amount of curruption in our government? We have a military industrial complex who's business is war. A cost of doing business to them is tarnishing their reputation by lying to goto war over and over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE&feature=player_embedded

Watch this video. Former presidential candidate General Wesley Clark talks about the fact that our government had pre-planned wars with countries including iraq,lybia, syria, iran.

These are easy for anybody to understand.

Quantitative easing explained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

MF Global explained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLt05sN7vK0


We have this group of people in our financial sector who have already raped our country and are still doing it. And then there's some of these criminals who cross over into government positions through active lobbying and bribes. This is why people are protesting. These people are out there betting with every bodies money and then they don't have any accountability when they fail.

We can also mention the recent condemnation of SEC policies in handling corporate crimes. The SEC has allowed these people to commit crimes that would send average people to prison, and simply pay a fine and let the entire thing be swept under the rug as if nothing ever happened.


Is it so scary to talk about real issues?
 

airdata

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Spidey : you are the 99%. You're just too delusional to know your place in the world.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Why do you pretend that the beliefs and actions of extreme minority fringe groups effects 100% of a group of people they've chosen to come mingle with?

Is it so hard to come to grips with the amount of curruption in our government? We have a military industrial complex who's business is war. A cost of doing business to them is tarnishing their reputation by lying to goto war over and over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE&feature=player_embedded

Watch this video. Former presidential candidate General Wesley Clark talks about the fact that our government had pre-planned wars with countries including iraq,lybia, syria, iran.

These are easy for anybody to understand.

Quantitative easing explained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

MF Global explained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLt05sN7vK0


We have this group of people in our financial sector who have already raped our country and are still doing it. And then there's some of these criminals who cross over into government positions through active lobbying and bribes. This is why people are protesting. These people are out there betting with every bodies money and then they don't have any accountability when they fail.

We can also mention the recent condemnation of SEC policies in handling corporate crimes. The SEC has allowed these people to commit crimes that would send average people to prison, and simply pay a fine and let the entire thing be swept under the rug as if nothing ever happened.


Is it so scary to talk about real issues?

You're trying to make it into what you feel it should be. Why are there so many signs about tax the rich and other class warfare of the proletariat against the bourgeois?

Are you trying to tell me that "tax the rich" isn't one of the main messages of the protesters? Are you really ignoring all the signs?

Why are liberals trying to make this into something it isn't? I've even had liberals in this very thread say "it's not about jobs you dummy!" And yet in those pictures you see tons of signs about where are the jobs? Does the mind of a liberal really ignore reality this poorly? What the hell is wrong with your brain?

No matter what you feel this is about, the fact remains it has been overrun by the far left fringe. Will any liberal try to deny that? Has any liberal actually read or listened to what they are saying, or is the mind of a liberal so fucked up that it just makes stuff up in it's head? I'm guessing the latter, liberalism is a severe mental disorder.
 
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airdata

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Tax the rich stems from the known fact that there are huge corporations that pay $0 in taxes, and yet make billions in profits in a time when our country is in a recession.

There are also ignorant people that believe that rich people don't pay enough taxes which in alot of cases isn't true. Alot of 'rich' people pay some 40% of their wages in taxes.

But then you have another category of super rich people who evade taxes, hide money,cook books, take bail outs.. all of that good stuff.

the fact remains it has been overrun by the far left fringe.

I'm going to take the high road and agree. It's a mess. There isn't 1 group of people out there protesting. There's all sorts of groups of people. I know we want to focus on the people who are so hardcore that they're camping out without bathing for weeks at a time. There's also alot of part time protesters who work or goto school and goto the protests when they can.

Can we talk about the real issues though? You can talk about people protesting without a permit all you want, but if people are so hell bent on arresting hippies, they should be equally hell bent on bringing major criminals to justice.

The bail outs were a mess. Give money to this corporation so that they can pay debts owed to this other corporation who also got bailouts, and then we have former ceo's of these failed corporations working at top positions in the government to oversea all of this.
 

cybrsage

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Tax the rich stems from the known fact that there are huge corporations that pay $0 in taxes, and yet make billions in profits in a time when our country is in a recession.

Corporations and the rich are not the same thing.
 

bfdd

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airdata is right bout the media stuffs lols. it's so refreshing to read all of the foreign news i can get.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Can we talk about the real issues though? You can talk about people protesting without a permit all you want, but if people are so hell bent on arresting hippies, they should be equally hell bent on bringing major criminals to justice.

The bail outs were a mess. Give money to this corporation so that they can pay debts owed to this other corporation who also got bailouts, and then we have former ceo's of these failed corporations working at top positions in the government to oversea all of this.

Maybe you OWS should go after Holder , he's in charge of enforcing the laws of the land. Then they can ask President Obama why he has former CEO's in top positions overseeing the bailouts/pay outs.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Tax the rich stems from the known fact that there are huge corporations that pay $0 in taxes, and yet make billions in profits in a time when our country is in a recession.

There are also ignorant people that believe that rich people don't pay enough taxes which in alot of cases isn't true. Alot of 'rich' people pay some 40% of their wages in taxes.

But then you have another category of super rich people who evade taxes, hide money,cook books, take bail outs.. all of that good stuff.



I'm going to take the high road and agree. It's a mess. There isn't 1 group of people out there protesting. There's all sorts of groups of people. I know we want to focus on the people who are so hardcore that they're camping out without bathing for weeks at a time. There's also alot of part time protesters who work or goto school and goto the protests when they can.

Can we talk about the real issues though? You can talk about people protesting without a permit all you want, but if people are so hell bent on arresting hippies, they should be equally hell bent on bringing major criminals to justice.

The bail outs were a mess. Give money to this corporation so that they can pay debts owed to this other corporation who also got bailouts, and then we have former ceo's of these failed corporations working at top positions in the government to oversea all of this.
This I agree with. We should have structured the bail-outs much differently in my opinion. I don't necessarily blame Bush or Obama for this, as I'm sure they have other legitimate concerns and had to get the job done quickly. But it sucks to see corporations laying people off and paying out big bonuses whilst the taxpayer is propping them up because they are "too big to fail". In my opinion we should have mandated no bonuses and no layoffs, even if it took structured bankruptcies to achieve this. And it sucks to see big corporations buying up distressed smaller companies who weren't "too big to fail" with the money they got for being "too big to fail".

And while I'm at it, even though I'm a low tax guy I'll agree with you on one other thing - capital gains tax rates. Even though low capital gains tax rates are great for the economy, I don't think it's morally right to tax a man who labors to earn his bread at a higher rate than a man whose money earns him his bread. I think all income should be taxed the same. I don't think there are many rich people who earn high wage incomes and don't pay taxes, because the AMT gets them. But there are lots of people who pull John Edwards-type tricks to get wage income taxed at low capital gains rates. I think all income should be taxed the same though, even if it's legitimately capital gains. If you earn a million dollars in capital gains over five years, you should pay the rate for earning $200,000 annually. If you earn a million dollars in capital gains over one year, you should pay the rate for earning $1,000,000 annually. (This would probably need to be tied to the inflation index as well to avoid discouraging long term investments.)
 

spidey07

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Compare this with communist manifesto...here are some of their proposals. Tell me again it isn't a far left fringe movement...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_...mpaign=Feed%3A+cbsnews/feed+(CBSNews.com)

— Impose a 1 percent "Robin Hood" tax on large financial transactions, and use the money to support social programs.

— Reinstate portions of the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act that were repealed in 1999. The act had prevented bank holding companies from getting into certain other types of financial ventures, effectively separating investment banking and commercial banking.

— Freeze all property foreclosures; cap interest charges at 6 percent or less.

— Reduce military spending; stop wars that drain financial resources.

— Reparations; make government payments to the descendants of African slaves to reset a broken, unbalanced economy.

— Ban big corporate donations to campaigns and set equal spending limits.

— Instill a fair conscience and a sense of morality into the minds of big decision makers.

— Revamp the tax code to take a higher percentage of multimillionaires' earnings. Ensure that Wall Street and big companies pay higher business taxes.

— Equalize public education by paying fairly and proportionately for the entire U.S. population, regulating spending by student and not by school district.

— Pass congressional legislation that returns bankruptcy protection to student loans.

— End corporate personhood.

— Ensure equal-access health care for all Americans.
 

JSt0rm

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"— Impose a 1 percent "Robin Hood" tax on large financial transactions, and use the money to support social programs.

— Reinstate portions of the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act that were repealed in 1999. The act had prevented bank holding companies from getting into certain other types of financial ventures, effectively separating investment banking and commercial banking."

Sounds good to me.
 

Oyeve

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Has any OWS died yet? Lemme know when. Prefereably that little douch with the Andy Capp hat on. Until then I really dont give a fuck anymore. This is soooooo fucking tired.
 

palehorse

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I can agree with and support only two of those items:

-- Ban big corporate donations to campaigns and set equal spending limits.
-- End corporate personhood.

Everything else on that list is just garbage; or, in the case of the "instill good morals...", just an unattainable pipedream.

In order to "instill" anything in our elected and appointed officials, you'll have to legislate away their ability to become corrupt. Hoping and wishing that they'll somehow become moral and ethical, without laws in place to eliminate their access to vices, and harsh penalties for those who break said laws, is just plain dumb...
 
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