#OccupyWallstreet

[spidey07]

Our local tea party tossed the idea around to do a counter protest to point out the flaws in their socialist/marxist views. We got a directive/memo from the Koch brothers telling us to stay away, to not associate with the movement or be near it whatsoever. The logic was to let them expose themselves and keep pushing their message and that is what would continue to erode their support when folks see what they're really after.

It appears to be working brilliantly. I really hope the president and democrats keep up their support, it damages them and their message greatly.

 

[airdata]

when folks see what they're really after.

I thought their message was mixed, and nobody had a point. The tea party would have alot of similar points, but alot would be more political party oriented.

 

[Bowfinger]

Trust me, I've been following, and that was exactly as I intended. I was using those percentages to challenge you to present something, anything, that the non-whackjobs (those you have begun referring to as "the 97% of OWS") have accomplished to date.

For Spidey's "3%," one can easily point to their overt criminal and deplorable activities (aka their "accomplishments"); however, I'm not sure the same can be said about the other 97% of OWS you outwardly support... Again, what, exactly, have they accomplished?

Sorry about that then. I understand what you're driving at now.

The accomplishments of the 97% are mostly raising awareness and changing the conversation from phony wedge issues to real issues like corruption and excessive concentration of wealth. That may not seem like much, but this whole movement is in it's infancy. What did the Civil Rights movement accomplish in its first three months?

The real question is do they have the energy and the message needed to take this to critical mass? I don't know, and neither do its detractors. Only time will tell.

 

[hal2kilo]

Our local tea party tossed the idea around to do a counter protest to point out the flaws in their socialist/marxist views. We got a directive/memo from the Koch brothers telling us to stay away, to not associate with the movement or be near it whatsoever. The logic was to let them expose themselves and keep pushing their message and that is what would continue to erode their support when folks see what they're really after.

It appears to be working brilliantly. I really hope the president and democrats keep up their support, it damages them and their message greatly.

Well, we now have the truth. You are a Koch brothers sock puppet.

 

[Bowfinger]

You shouldn't chide someone for not reading the thread, it's become huge and way too large of a pain in the butt to read completely. Spidey has proved his point over time that there are large blocks of communist and socialist supporters among the #Occupy crowd. There were signs shown very early in the protests along with support from communist and socialist organizations. Just because only a couple showed up in a single block of 44 pictures makes no definite limit on what the support is amongst the #Occupy people.

It truly wasn't intended to chide. It was intended to explain. As it turns out Palehorse understand what I meant and the explanation wasn't necessary.

I think you are much too conveniently dismissing the 44 pictures as unrepresentative simply because you also want to believe the talking points. While 44 pictures and 100 or so signs is admittedly a small sample, it seems like a pretty representative sample since it includes gatherings all over the country and in many different variations. Certainly if denouncing capitalism was a significant part of the OWS message it should have shown up more than twice.

 

[monovillage]

It truly wasn't intended to chide. It was intended to explain. As it turns out Palehorse understand what I meant and the explanation wasn't necessary.

I think you are much too conveniently dismissing the 44 pictures as unrepresentative simply because you also want to believe the talking points. While 44 pictures and 100 or so signs is admittedly a small sample, it seems like a pretty representative sample since it includes gatherings all over the country and in many different variations. Certainly if denouncing capitalism was a significant part of the OWS message it should have shown up more than twice.

It has, i'm not painting #Occupy as a totally communist or socialist movement, but there are those that are heavily involved in #Occupy that espouse it. It's been present in pretty much every #Occupy event that i've seen so far.

 

[werepossum]

It has, i'm not painting #Occupy as a totally communist or socialist movement, but there are those that are heavily involved in #Occupy that espouse it. It's been present in pretty much every #Occupy event that i've seen so far.

That is my position as well, though I suspect my perceived percentage of Marxists is higher than is yours. Well, that and I have very little respect for people that protest unless it's for something like civil rights, and even then I expect them to behave themselves, pick up after themselves, and pay for any costs - as did the Tea Partiers. I didn't join them either as waving signs and chanting is not my cup of tea (pun intended), but they at least knew how to behave.

 

[palehorse]

Sorry about that then. I understand what you're driving at now.

The accomplishments of the 97% are mostly raising awareness and changing the conversation from phony wedge issues to real issues like corruption and excessive concentration of wealth. That may not seem like much, but this whole movement is in it's infancy. What did the Civil Rights movement accomplish in its first three months?

The real question is do they have the energy and the message needed to take this to critical mass? I don't know, and neither do its detractors. Only time will tell.

"...changing the conversation..."

There you have it folks, OWS is the "Charlie Sheen" of American protests!

I kid, I kid... sorta.

Nobody I know still talks about OWS as anything other than a punchline.

IOW, the "conversation" really hasn't changed much at all. And sadly, right or wrong, OWS is considered by most to be yesterday's news (aka "yesterday's twitter trend", aka "yesterday's funny story").

They do, however, still talk about the same thing many have been talking about for years.

That is, DC needs an enema. Period.

Wake me up again if/when OWS hits DC in force and without their whackjob "3%" baggage...

 

[palehorse]

It truly wasn't intended to chide. It was intended to explain. As it turns out Palehorse understand what I meant and the explanation wasn't necessary.

I think you are much too conveniently dismissing the 44 pictures as unrepresentative simply because you also want to believe the talking points. While 44 pictures and 100 or so signs is admittedly a small sample, it seems like a pretty representative sample since it includes gatherings all over the country and in many different variations. Certainly if denouncing capitalism was a significant part of the OWS message it should have shown up more than twice.

You shouldn't ignore the possibility that those 44 photos were selected to portray the exact message (and percentages?) that you've taken from them; and that the actual percentage of whackjobs COULD, in reality, be much higher than 3%.

After all, #OWS itself was created by a total anarchist whackjob. DOH!

Just sayin'...

 

[spidey07]

Occupy folks plan to shut down ports on west coast. Gee, still trying to claim that impeding commerce and harming business is your 1st amendment right? They bitch about jobs, and then attempt to harm the economy. Remember, they have already done this once. Part of the purpose of the protests is to harm business, it's their goal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...gshore-union/2011/12/08/gIQAFCDtfO_story.html

Occupy groups in such cities such as Los Angeles, Oakland, San Diego, Portland, Ore., Tacoma, Wash., Seattle, Anchorage and Vancouver plan to blockade their local ports.

Or are OWS supporters still trying to claim this is about corruption? What does blocking ports and hurting people's jobs have to do with corruption?

 

[jackstar7]

That is my position as well, though I suspect my perceived percentage of Marxists is higher than is yours. Well, that and I have very little respect for people that protest unless it's for something like civil rights, and even then I expect them to behave themselves, pick up after themselves, and pay for any costs - as did the Tea Partiers. I didn't join them either as waving signs and chanting is not my cup of tea (pun intended), but they at least knew how to behave.

Because we all know that orderly behavior is the first step on the path to real change in this world.

 

[hal2kilo]

Because we all know that orderly behavior is the first step on the path to real change in this world.

Too bad they didn't have peper spray when Ghandi was rebel rousing.

 

[Bowfinger]

You shouldn't ignore the possibility that those 44 photos were selected to portray the exact message (and percentages?) that you've taken from them; and that the actual percentage of whackjobs COULD, in reality, be much higher than 3%.

After all, #OWS itself was created by a total anarchist whackjob. DOH!

Just sayin'...

It's a fair point, and it is something I considered. That's exactly why I said it "seems like a representative sample". We all know that things aren't always as they seem. That said, it seems unlikely since these two specific photos (the two with signs denouncing capitalism) could have easily been excluded. The anti-capitalism signs were prominent focal points, almost like the photographer or editor was trying to feature them. In the wider shots showing a big cross-section of signs, there were no legible anti-capitalism signs. Surely if this was a significant part of the OWS message there would have been at least a couple.

So to me it seems more likely the anti-capitalism fringe has been given exaggerated prominence by the Foxes of the media. They have an agenda of discrediting OWS and that's an easy way to do it.

 

[palehorse]

It's a fair point, and it is something I considered. That's exactly why I said it "seems like a representative sample". We all know that things aren't always as they seem. That said, it seems unlikely since these two specific photos (the two with signs denouncing capitalism) could have easily been excluded. The anti-capitalism signs were prominent focal points, almost like the photographer or editor was trying to feature them. In the wider shots showing a big cross-section of signs, there were no legible anti-capitalism signs. Surely if this was a significant part of the OWS message there would have been at least a couple.

So to me it seems more likely the anti-capitalism fringe has been given exaggerated prominence by the Foxes of the media. They have an agenda of discrediting OWS and that's an easy way to do it.

A more accurate analysis would require pouring over hours of unedited video posted to YouTube and elsewhere.

I SUSPECT that it's much higher than 3%; but, I'm just too lazy to bother... lol

 

[werepossum]

Because we all know that orderly behavior is the first step on the path to real change in this world.

Well, it's certainly the first step on the path to not being a total jacks hole, anyway. Personally I support their right to free speech, but not their right to destroy public property, occupy private property, and prevent others from enjoying their rights and executing their responsibilities. Wanting something to change should not give one the right to impose yourself on others, and if that's the only way to get the changes you want, then they aren't very popular.

The Occupiers should do what the Tea Partiers did: Organize, pay their fees, clean up after themselves, respect others' rights and privileges, make your case, and try to get your candidates elected to address your issues. This is not the Middle East; we all have full voting rights, and we should handle our issues accordingly. As it stands, we're showing the world that democracy doesn't work either. (Of course, I'm assuming here that the world can't recognize selfish, self-important twits with enormous senses of entitlement, which might not be fair to the world.)

 

[dwell]

OWS whiners protest Law and Order SVU set:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-order-svu-set-depicting-ows-article-1.989070

"This is not us," said Drew Hornbein, 24, of Brooklyn Heights. "We are not part of corporate TV America."

"This is bastardization going on. This is not the case of imitation is a form of flattery," said a man identified as Scooby 49. "This is insulting."

Fuck off, idiots. When you make a public spectacle of your self you leave yourself open to "exploitation". You can't have it both ways.

In the end the TV show was helping NYC's bottom line by paying for a film permit when all the OWS losers accomplished was creating a massive money sink which never amounted to anything.

 

[monovillage]

Two #Occupiers arrested for beating photographer.
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_19470160

 

[spidey07]

Two #Occupiers arrested for beating photographer.
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_19470160

It's just like the tea party!

 

[disappoint]

Our local tea party tossed the idea around to do a counter protest to point out the flaws in their socialist/marxist views. We got a directive/memo from the Koch brothers telling us to stay away, to not associate with the movement or be near it whatsoever. The logic was to let them expose themselves and keep pushing their message and that is what would continue to erode their support when folks see what they're really after.

It appears to be working brilliantly. I really hope the president and democrats keep up their support, it damages them and their message greatly.

Perhaps they are afraid of exposing their own flaws.

 

[cubby1223]

Our local tea party tossed the idea around to do a counter protest to point out the flaws in their socialist/marxist views. We got a directive/memo from the Koch brothers telling us to stay away, to not associate with the movement or be near it whatsoever. The logic was to let them expose themselves and keep pushing their message and that is what would continue to erode their support when folks see what they're really after.

It appears to be working brilliantly. I really hope the president and democrats keep up their support, it damages them and their message greatly.

This is the precise problem with "progressives" and the rest of "the left."

The Koch Brothers truly are people who should be despised by all Americans.

But, you "progressives" just continue to be such annoying whiny jackasses that we end up rooting for the Koch Brothers out of fun spite.


And for this thread, just another reminder that occupy has been a massive failure. Take the hint and move on.

 

[airdata]

After all, #OWS itself was created by a total anarchist whackjob. DOH!

Just sayin'...

Who was it created by?

 

[airdata]

Two #Occupiers arrested for beating photographer.
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_19470160

officers arrested Kevin Jones, 40, of Felton on suspicion of misdemeanor batter for allegedly throwing water and toilet paper, Friend said

Arrested on suspicion of throwing water and toilet paper...

 

[monovillage]

Arrested on suspicion of throwing water and toilet paper...

Was it used? ewwww that's even worse, those #Occupy thugs should also be arrested for health and safety reasons.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Arrested on suspicion of throwing water and toilet paper...

According to a Occupy spokesperson.

 

[palehorse]

Who was it created by?

Kalle Lasn.