#OccupyWallstreet

[AnonymouseUser]

The newest one is #Occupies protest against truck drivers and port workers. I guess #Occupy thinks they're the evil 1%. As we've seen before there's nothing that the #Occupy protesters like to do as much as screw working people doing their jobs.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-12-12-21-48-27

""This is joke. What are they protesting?" said Christian Vega, who sat in his truck carrying a load of recycled paper. He said the delay was costing him $600. "It only hurts me and the other drivers.

"We have jobs and families to support and feed," he said. "Most of them don't.""

Maybe you should read the links posted in the thread:

Major rant by the port truck drivers about today's events, something you won't read in the MSM:

An Open Letter from America’s Port Truck Drivers on Occupy the Ports

They do support the Occupy protests. Read more.

EDIT>> You also conveniently left out this quote:

Work was also disrupted in Longview, Wash., where longshoremen have had a longstanding dispute with grain exporter EGT.

 

[monovillage]

I did read the open letter. It was written by 5 people bitching about their jobs. It had no other verification and I had no idea if any of the claims were true. I did find it funny that they made absolutely no mention of how much money they made in their jobs.

 

[spidey07]

I did read the open letter. It was written by 5 people bitching about their jobs. It had no other verification and I had no idea if any of the claims were true. I did find it funny that they made absolutely no mention of how much money they made in their jobs.

Longshoremen make good bank. Easily top 5%.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

I did read the open letter. It was written by 5 people bitching about their jobs. It had no other verification and I had no idea if any of the claims were true. I did find it funny that they made absolutely no mention of how much money they made in their jobs.

Another article:

Ruben Rodriguez, an Oakland-based truck driver who owns his own truck, said that he supported the movement, even though it meant he couldn’t work today. “I’m losing money today, but it’s worth it,” he said. “Poor people are earning less and rich people are earning more. People have to know about this.” Rodriguez said that in the past five years, the money he earns as a trucker has gone down while fuel prices have dramatically increased. He said that his average take-home earnings for a 2-3 day trip from Oakland to Los Angeles are only about $80 total.

 

[spidey07]

Another article:

So where's his outrage at Obama on raising the tax for truckers?

 

[AnonymouseUser]

So where's his outrage at Obama on raising the tax for truckers?

Are you honestly so stupid that you believe voting one tool out of office will fix everything?

 

[monovillage]

Another article:

Thanks, it was another article pointing out what a bunch of idiots are in the #Occupy movement. Shutting down the best source of blue collar jobs, screwing over the union members and having no impact on the targets of #Occupy? Was there a point to it?

 

[spidey07]

Thanks, it was another article pointing out what a bunch of idiots are in the #Occupy movement. Shutting down the best source of blue collar jobs, screwing over the union members and having no impact on the targets of #Occupy? Was there a point to it?

But they're standing in solidarity with the union. Don't you get it, man? Solidarty, man. Solidarity.

 

[werepossum]

Are you honestly so stupid that you believe voting one tool out of office will fix everything?

Are you honestly so stupid that you believe abolishing capitalism will fix ANYTHING? Because that's clearly the aim of the organizers and puppet masters. They call themselves anarchists, but they want an ever larger, ever more powerful federal government and an end to capitalism. That's the very antithesis of anarchy. They are Marxists, not anarchists.

Their supporters on the other hand are merely ticks demanding a larger slice of dog.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Are you honestly so stupid that you believe abolishing capitalism will fix ANYTHING? Because that's clearly the aim of the organizers and puppet masters. They call themselves anarchists, but they want an ever larger, ever more powerful federal government and an end to capitalism. That's the very antithesis of anarchy. They are Marxists, not anarchists.

Their supporters on the other hand are merely ticks demanding a larger slice of dog.

They want the same things you do, but you can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[spidey07]

They want the same things you do, but you can't see the forest for the trees.

Bullshit. I do not desire to end capitalism and form a communist country

I want none of what they're selling.

 

[JSt0rm]

Bullshit. I do not desire to end capitalism and form a communist country

I want none of what they're selling.

The message is beginning to focus on getting private money out of politics via amendment.

 

[bfdd]

Longshoremen make good bank. Easily top 5%.

lol hell yeah they do. the way they get work and paid is awesome. show up get an overestimated work ticket, something saying 6-10 hrs and finish it in 2 get paid for the rest. they don't work nearly as hard as they used to for what they make. they like to say it's dangerous, but i'd do it for 75% what they pay them i don't mind the danger. to bad i can't out bid a union worker eh?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Work was also disrupted in Longview, Wash., where longshoremen have had a longstanding dispute with grain exporter EGT.

However, it did affect the union (Operating Engineers Local 701) workers that EGT hired instead of the Longshoreman union.

 

[palehorse]

The message is beginning to focus on getting private money out of politics via amendment.

Who/What/Where is this supposed focus?

 

[palehorse]

I'm still waiting to hear your thoughts on the New Yorker article that thoroughly profiled the OWS puppet masters; as well as the revelation (for you) that Anonymous had nothing to do with creating it.

It's as though you're ignoring those items altogether...?

Airdata...

/crickets

 

[airdata]

Airdata...

/crickets

I didn't read such an article.
Since anonymous is anonymous, there's no way of knowing who's actually behind it. People have been saying from the beginning that groups would try to co opt the movement.

I'm assuming any such article that suggested they knew people behind OWS was simply grasping at straws and/or full of shit.

There was a good tweet several weeks ago where somebody said " They just arrested this guy because they thought he was the leader. There is no leader."

But now that I've wasted a few minutes of my time even seeing who this guy you're talking about is... I think you're mis guided. Anarchist groups are among the many fringe groups who have stepped into the ows movement. You posted a tldr article by some guy pretending to have a clue about the founding of ows in order to get people to read his dribble.

But, I tell you what. Why don't you go ask protesters if they've ever heard of this guy you're talking about. Let me know if you get above .05% recognition.

And then we still have the core of the whole thing which is government corruption and people defrauding the country to line their pockets with tax payer money like the newt Gingriches of the world.

I honestly don't care what any OWS people are doing now. The real OWS people are protesting real issues. The opportunistic extremists are the ones bringing weapons, kill capitalism and other such things to protests.

LOL - So they are lining the pockets of Goldman Sachs while protesting Goldman Sachs. Got it.

There are plenty of tools/companies that Goldman Sachs has ZERO position in, but then again, we already know that these people are uninformed and not very smart.

Not that it even matters at all, but most people have no idea goldman sachs has any stake in facebook. It's currently the most popular social media website there is, and happens to be one of the best ways for people to organize large events. To not use it in such a situation would be stupid. But, why am I even responding to you if you are just going to repeat the same thing every post?

 

[michal1980]

Who/What/Where is this supposed focus?

There is no focus. They went from occupying parks and wallstreet. To occupying ports, to occupying foreclosed houses.


They want free education, free health care, free housing, free food, free income, free everything, oh and BTW - down with wallstreet.

 

[airdata]

There is no focus. They went from occupying parks and wallstreet. To occupying ports, to occupying foreclosed houses.

Agreed. There are so many groups and people that have come out of the woodwork. Way too many to take any single groups message and apply it to all of the people

They want free education, free health care, free housing, free food, free income, free everything, oh and BTW - down with wallstreet.

They meaning a small portion of people at the protests, and not the entire group of people. This is the problem w\ saying THEY THEY THEY... you end up directing statements at people that they don't apply to.

We've seen now that banks are being sued for mortgage fraud, so it's not as if these people are making this stuff up. Sure, pay your bills. But there's plenty of cases of unscrupulous foreclosure practices.

 

[Ninjahedge]

In order to properly address any political faction, the same measures must be taken regarding all.

You do not start taking individual comments from small factions within a loosely organized group and attribute them to all unless you do the same to all others.

But, in politics, people like to cherry-pick the most outrageous quotes and standings of an opponent and refuse to address the same outlandishness in their own.

#OWS seems to be settling in now, not a huge fad, but not something that is fading either. Even in that graph showing hits to ONE WEBSITE (ignoring that people are now using several different venues to communicate) shows the line is not really falling much anymore, but becoming more stable and level.

The biggest thing here will be to see if any of the issues raised become part of the political debate in the next election. Opponents will still try to discredit the messenger (regardless of the veracity of the message), but hopefully some will get through even to the most recalcitrant of detractors.

The OTHER key thing to look at would be the poor handling of the press and other individuals by the authorities. Public opinion is shifting in some areas (like NYC) as more viral vids come out showing cops threatening and arresting members of the press taking pictures of their actions. MOST communities support police action as a default. When that support starts to falter and the authorities start to be questioned by the GENERAL POPULOUS, it does not make for a strong position in the future.

This is not a group of Molotov-chucking anarchists we are seeing here. Bringing in riot cops fully decked out in riot gear and using things like chemical agents is not being received well.

You pepper spray one "conservative" at a rally, even accidentally, you lose 10 more from supporting your actions. They really need to step a bit more lightly in their "crackdown".

 

[cybrsage]

This is not a group of Molotov-chucking anarchists we are seeing here.

Here is what the Occupy Oakland people did:

Published November 03, 2011 | Associated Press

Occupy Wall Street supporters who staged rallies that shut down the nation's fifth-busiest port during a day of protests condemned on Thursday the demonstrators who clashed with police in the latest flare-up of violence in Oakland, Calif.
Riot police arrested more than 80 protesters in the city's downtown, where bands of demonstrators threw chunks of concrete and metal pipes as well as lit roman candles and firebombs, police said. Five protesters and several officers were injured.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/02/occupy-oakland-protesters-target-busy-port/#ixzz1gWQdxq2U

It is good some of the OWS protestors disavowed these actions. However, you cannot say the OWS croud is not a group of Molotov-chucking anarchists when their are obviously powerful factions inside the OWS which are exactly that.

Oh, and even the "peaceful" protestors are vandalizing things:

rganizers called for a general strike on Wednesday, and supporters in New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and elsewhere staged smaller-scale demonstrations, some in solidarity with their Oakland counterparts.
Oakland protesters viewed the strike and port shutdown as a significant victory.
Police, who had little to no presence during the protest during the day, said that about 7,000 people participated in demonstrations that were peaceful except for a few incidents of vandalism at local banks and businesses.

Vandalism is not protesting peacefully.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Oakland.


That is not even count-able for the US.

Isn't Oakland where they did the same for an NBA final?

 

[Ninjahedge]

Also, look at your own quote when you talk about vandalism.

about 7,000 people participated in demonstrations that were peaceful except for a few incidents of vandalism at local banks and businesses.

So out of 7000 people they had a dozen people come in and cause trouble?

PLEASE, take a look at the riots in other countries before you start calling these peacefull (for the most part) gatherings "violent and disruptive"

https://www.google.com/search?gcx=w....,cf.osb&fp=91f6b74cb5b15a88&biw=1110&bih=680

 

[cybrsage]

Oakland.


That is not even count-able for the US.

Isn't Oakland where they did the same for an NBA final?

Point taken, and I concur...Oakland should not count.

Yes, they did.

 

[Ninjahedge]

One last thing, YOU read more:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45144941/ns/us_news/#.Tui9krJC_-4