#OccupyWallstreet

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xj0hnx

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Dec 18, 2007
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I know plenty of discharged people that still use pieces of their uniforms. What's the big deal?

Oh sure, if you want to cut your BDU pants into shorts for gardening, or use the whole thing for hunting that's great, but pinning on some medals, and then wearing it half-assed, while trying to use it, and your former position, as a tool for you views in a protest is quite another.
 

dwell

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Would not be surprised if a investigative journalists dig up the guy's real story. Just like the GW University guy who lied about his parent's home getting foreclosed and carrot top being a trust fund Columbia grad.
 

halik

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Oct 10, 2000
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The violent ones were the cops, you retard. The OWS movement is the big leagues while the Tea Party is actually DISLIKED by Americans. Deal with it, bitch.

You must be 16 years old. This may be lost with you, but the actual 99% of America thinks that both you and tea party is retarded... and most of them don't have time to camp around manhattan, as they have to make a living.

Honestly it's people like you, resolving to retarded attention whoring tactics, that makes it impossible to take OWS seriously. Acting like the stereotypical lefty freshmen in college, sticking it to the man, you bring nothing to the table.

We've got a problem of tax policy that lead to growing income gap in this country for the last 20 years and eroded the middle class. Barely tangentially related to that, there are far-left kids camping in Manhattan, seemingly looking for confrontation with authorities and self-gratification of getting arrested or yelling at cops doing their jobs that apparently is the only way for activist to feel they're doing something.

Finally notice that the cops always have one officer taping everything, which would suggest they have to play by the book... otherwise no convictions and civic settlements for harassment etc.
 
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Nebor

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Oh sure, if you want to cut your BDU pants into shorts for gardening, or use the whole thing for hunting that's great, but pinning on some medals, and then wearing it half-assed, while trying to use it, and your former position, as a tool for you views in a protest is quite another.

Agreed. Absolutely distasteful.

Marines don't wear cammies off base to begin with, and he was really half-assing it.

If he were a Marine wearing a dress uniform, in compliance with the appropriate regulations, and not looking like a jacked up retard, and acting like a fool, I'd have no problem with him being there. He's just making Marines look bad though.
 

xj0hnx

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You must be 16 years old. This may be lost with you, but the actual 99% of America thinks that both you and tea party is retarded... and most of them don't have time to camp around manhattan, as they have to make a living.

Honestly it's people like you, resolving to retarded attention whoring tactics, that makes it impossible to take OWS seriously. Acting like the stereotypical lefty freshmen in college, sticking it to the man, you bring nothing to the table.

+1, qft, ftw, etc, etc ...
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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You must be 16 years old. This may be lost with you, but the actual 99% of America thinks that both you and tea party is retarded... and most of them don't have time to camp around manhattan, as they have to make a living.

Honestly it's people like you, resolving to retarded attention whoring tactics, that makes it impossible to take OWS seriously. Acting like the stereotypical lefty freshmen in college, sticking it to the man, you bring nothing to the table.

We've got a problem of tax policy that lead to growing income gap in this country for the last 20 years and eroded the middle class. Barely tangentially related to that, there are far-left kids camping in Manhattan, seemingly looking for confrontation with authorities and self-gratification of getting arrested or yelling at cops doing their jobs that apparently is the only way for activist to feel they're doing something.

Finally notice that the cops always have one officer taping everything, which would suggest they have to play by the book... otherwise no convictions and civic settlements for harassment etc.

Funny how polling indicates that you just might be mistaken, which fits right in with the usual denial about the lack of jobs coupled with enormous debt being at the root of the protests.

It's not quite like driving past the bread lines in 1931, screaming "Get a job!", but it's close.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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You must be 16 years old. This may be lost with you, but the actual 99% of America thinks that both you and tea party is retarded... and most of them don't have time to camp around manhattan, as they have to make a living.

Honestly it's people like you, resolving to retarded attention whoring tactics, that makes it impossible to take OWS seriously. Acting like the stereotypical lefty freshmen in college, sticking it to the man, you bring nothing to the table.

We've got a problem of tax policy that lead to growing income gap in this country for the last 20 years and eroded the middle class. Barely tangentially related to that, there are far-left kids camping in Manhattan, seemingly looking for confrontation with authorities and self-gratification of getting arrested or yelling at cops doing their jobs that apparently is the only way for activist to feel they're doing something.

Finally notice that the cops always have one officer taping everything, which would suggest they have to play by the book... otherwise no convictions and civic settlements for harassment etc.

What you wrote is demonstrably untrue if you took even a cursory look at public opinion polling. Those 'retards' camping out in Manhattan are actually quite popular, but I'm sure it's just from the 54% or so of Americans that are 16 year old attention whores.

I'm sure the cops do have an officer taping everything. I'm also quite certain that there will be civic settlements against them anyway for not playing by the book.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Oh sure, if you want to cut your BDU pants into shorts for gardening, or use the whole thing for hunting that's great, but pinning on some medals, and then wearing it half-assed, while trying to use it, and your former position, as a tool for you views in a protest is quite another.

Why? He can wear them any way he wants, and his former position was directly relevant to his point. He can use his former position any way he wants too.

The USMC dress code doesn't apply to him, he's not in it. A few years back I used parts of my old uniform in a Halloween costume that in part mocked Our Glorious Armed Services. Who gives a shit? People in America are fucking retarded when it comes to the military. What other country would have people crying that veterans should follow military dress codes?
 

Darwin333

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uh looks to me like they were merely letting him rant. shit their pants? hardly. The guy was yelling at officers who were doing their job. I guess he's a hero to leftist nutbags. Yelling at cops - always a good idea. :roll;

I have no clue what the backstory is or if what he was saying was warranted but lets assume it was.

Just because something might not be a "good idea" doesn't mean it isn't a noble one. A bunch of farmers starting a war with the worlds super power doesn't sound like a very "good idea" either.
 

halik

Lifer
Oct 10, 2000
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Funny how polling indicates that you just might be mistaken, which fits right in with the usual denial about the lack of jobs coupled with enormous debt being at the root of the protests.

It's not quite like driving past the bread lines in 1931, screaming "Get a job!", but it's close.

What you wrote is demonstrably untrue if you took even a cursory look at public opinion polling. Those 'retards' camping out in Manhattan are actually quite popular, but I'm sure it's just from the 54% or so of Americans that are 16 year old attention whores.

I'm sure the cops do have an officer taping everything. I'm also quite certain that there will be civic settlements against them anyway for not playing by the book.

The public sentiment was rather favorable when it first start also, but once it became clear it's essentially a disenfranchised neoconservative movement longing for days of W, it went no where. I foresee the same happening for OWS - abolish credit, forgive all loans and crap like that is not even a logically tenable position, much less an actionable goal.
 

fskimospy

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The public sentiment was rather favorable when it first start also, but once it became clear it's essentially a disenfranchised neoconservative movement longing for days of W, it went no where. I foresee the same happening for OWS - abolish credit, forgive all loans and crap like that is not even a logically tenable position, much less an actionable goal.

That may indeed happen in the future, but that's not what you wrote. You said that America thinks they are retarded now, and that is not accurate.

Also, what you wrote are not the goals of OWS. Outside of being angry at the corrupt nature of the relationship between government and finance, the group has no concrete goals. I guess in some respects this gives them the benefit of not having to defend specific policies, but an unfortunate side effect is that people try to attribute things like the abolishment of credit to the whole movement, which is also inaccurate.
 

halik

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That may indeed happen in the future, but that's not what you wrote. You said that America thinks they are retarded now, and that is not accurate.

Also, what you wrote are not the goals of OWS. Outside of being angry at the corrupt nature of the relationship between government and finance, the group has no concrete goals. I guess in some respects this gives them the benefit of not having to defend specific policies, but an unfortunate side effect is that people try to attribute things like the abolishment of credit to the whole movement, which is also inaccurate.

Well for one I think Phocus represents those idiots that trying to make a run at the barricades and then yell policy brutality - instead of pushing some cogent idea, they do the stereotypical self-gratifying activist nonsense to make themselves be part of it. I'm pretty sure none of the organizers of the demonstration intended to have some jackasses try to run thru the barricades at Wall and Water.

There's a big distinction about people's sentiment regarding corporate interestes in policy, income gap and all the obvious (at least to me) issues of today and people's sentiment regarding the fringe morons that are tolerated as part of the moment.

Don't think too many people will support one girl coming to citi branch to close and account and 30 people following her, screaming about corporate greed or some indefinable concept... all in a quest to make a youtube video. That's just obnoxious attention whoring.

Imagine the message and impact of 500 orderly lined up citi customers, all patiently waiting to close their account one by one. No yelling, no asinine slogans, no sit-ins or some such hippie BS, no need to call the police. Just people making a statement. But again, then you wouldn't really be fighting the man, would you?
 
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JTsyo

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Nov 18, 2007
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Imagine the message and impact of 500 orderly lined up citi customers, all patiently waiting to close their account one by one. No yelling, no asinine slogans, no sit-ins or some such hippie BS, no need to call the police. Just people making a statement. But again, then you wouldn't really be fighting the man, would you?

I still think Wall Street is the wrong place for the protests. Corporations are going to do what they can to maximize profits. We need regulations to reign them in so that they don't get reckless. The protests should be taking place at lawmakers' offices calling for them to reign in Wall Street.

Examples:
Break up bank conglomeration so that they are no longer too big to fail.
Reenact Glass-Steagall (at least portions)
Overhaul how Wall Street is regulated, stop the revolving door.
 

halik

Lifer
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I still think Wall Street is the wrong place for the protests. Corporations are going to do what they can to maximize profits. We need regulations to reign them in so that they don't get reckless. The protests should be taking place at lawmakers' offices calling for them to reign in Wall Street.

Examples:
Break up bank conglomeration so that they are no longer too big to fail.
Reenact Glass-Steagall (at least portions)
Overhaul how Wall Street is regulated, stop the revolving door.

Yeah, but then you'd be brining reason to a drum circle.

If anything, people should be protesting Ayn Rand-esque Policy when it comes to business in general- there are way too many informational asymmetries and inefficient Nash equilibria to expect laissez faire approach yielding a desirable outcome... 2008 has shown us as much.
 

spidey07

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LOL! When you think you're entitled to other people's money don't be surprised if your own start stealing shit.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK

Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.

“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.

“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...cupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1bA1Jah74
 

quest55720

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I still think Wall Street is the wrong place for the protests. Corporations are going to do what they can to maximize profits. We need regulations to reign them in so that they don't get reckless. The protests should be taking place at lawmakers' offices calling for them to reign in Wall Street.

Examples:
Break up bank conglomeration so that they are no longer too big to fail.
Reenact Glass-Steagall (at least portions)
Overhaul how Wall Street is regulated, stop the revolving door.

Government got us into this mess by letting Fannie and Freddie run wild. Government is the problem not the solution. Far as I am concerned barney frank, Chris Dodd and associates should be in hand cuffs for letting this happen. They are the ones who lead the coalition to block reform years ago to protect their own interest. Then they lied years later saying there was nt problem with Fannie and Freddie.

The OWS should be in front of the capitol and white house. They are the ones who created this mess and were bought off to look the other way.
 

Ausm

Lifer
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Government got us into this mess by letting Fannie and Freddie run wild. Government is the problem not the solution. Far as I am concerned barney frank, Chris Dodd and associates should be in hand cuffs for letting this happen. They are the ones who lead the coalition to block reform years ago to protect their own interest. Then they lied years later saying there was nt problem with Fannie and Freddie.

The OWS should be in front of the capitol and white house. They are the ones who created this mess and were bought off to look the other way.

What about the Republican's who lead the charge on the repeal of the Glass-Steigall law?
 

palehorse

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Then you should know there is an abundance of bat shit crazy people willing to drop a deuce on a car on just about every block, the city is always filthy and smelly and the crazies are always getting arrested.

Any gathering of people in NYC is bound to attract a higher concentration on the poo slinging crazies.
And who/what do the vast majority of those "bat shit crazy people" support politically? And who keeps cheering them on? Oh yeah... woops!

Very telling, isn't it?
 

fskimospy

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And who/what do the vast majority of those "bat shit crazy people" support politically? And who keeps cheering them on? Oh yeah... woops!

Very telling, isn't it?

There are batshit crazy people of all stripes. Like that guy who shot up the hair salon in CA? Tea Partier all the way.
 

fskimospy

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Oh no, does people making fun of the Army make you sad? If I didn't already have a costume for this year I would do it again, just for you. The idiots who flip out about how someone is wearing a uniform miss the entire point of what being in the military is about.
 
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