LOL! Here's their new pay scales they demand. Tell me again this isn't communist? Read the shit in their document.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1guZ03g0yCMvX1W4wH5Ji5tykYDYt9X84vnhZYjXhtnQ/edit?pli=1&hl=en_US
watch all innovation get stifled.
they must love communism.
You dont see a difference?
Low or no capital gains is great for the economy too. I just find it hard to morally justify taxing a man's labor at a higher rate than his investments.
I think what's absurd and retarded are people who take Spidey's word for it when he claims this is their demand. On the contrary, although somebody did put this list in the document, the document's maintainers moved it to the very end of the document, specifically under the heading of "Text Heaven - Where Deceased Texts Live on in Memory." This was done on October 12, so Spidey can't even claim it was a recent change.Both absurd and retarded, even Castro would go wtf. I can see people lining up to spend 8+ year for an MD degree instead of working at the DMV. Whoever wrote that up literally has a double digit IQ.
Love the quip about derivatives, clearly written by someone with a wikipedia knowledge of the subject.
No, not at all. You're exactly right. All the OWS crowd are obviously crazies, just as all righties are obviously crazy since some believe Jesus rode dinosaurs and because you have people like Spidey on the right. It couldn't possibly be that you're creating a caricature based on a loopy fringe.There's a difference?
Funny that. Tax on investment income is at its lowest point since WW2, and has been falling since the mid-1990's.
http://cloudfront.mediamattersaction.org/static/images/historical_tax_rates2.jpg
If low capital gains rates are so good for the economy, why are we here?
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but at least they've shifted the debate away from all the usual phony wedge issues like gays and guns.
I've got to say, from the tremendous knee-jerk derision and demonization some of you are dumping on these protestors, it seems like you must be scared shitless that these kids, in all their disorganized glory, may actually -- finally -- pose a well-deserved threat to the elite few that have systematically looted America over the last 30 years. You can play apologist to the status quo all you want, but they have valid concerns and unlike you, they've actually gotten off their over-indulged, middle-class asses and stood up to try to change things. I don't know if it's a flash in the pan or a movement with real legs, but at least they've shifted the debate away from all the usual phony wedge issues like gays and guns.
well said.
how is it well said? the whole OWS movement is based on demonizing people.
I find it rather telling that when you search the foxnews.com frontpage for "occupy", the only hit (seriously, as of the time of this post it's the only hit) is for this link: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-flick-may-occupy-wall-street-during-filming/
Fox News is determined to ignore this movement.
As Occupy Wall Street protesters and their anti-bank message pick up momentum, among the unofficial list of grievances is a demand to have creditors forgive student loans.
You're nitpicking to intentionally avoid the point. It doesn't matter if the "right" number is 1% or 0.7% or 0.54372%. If nothing else, it's not that black and white. There are undoubtedly plenty of cheats in the top 20% and plenty of altruists in the top 0.1%.IMO, the whole 99% v 1% is a "phony wedge issue".
How the hell is some people making $380K (the 1% cut-off) or more a "problem"?
Fern
The fact that you believe this once again demonstrates how thoroughly indoctrinated you are. No matter what your masters tell you, this is not about individuals. It is about a horribly corrupted system.... the whole OWS movement is based on demonizing people.
No, not at all. You're exactly right. All the OWS crowd are obviously crazies, just as all righties are obviously crazy since some believe Jesus rode dinosaurs and because you have people like Spidey on the right. It couldn't possibly be that you're creating a caricature based on a loopy fringe.
I think that OWS is going to have to do the same thing the Tea Party did, they'll have to identify impostors, dismiss obvious whackos, reject some supporters (communist and national socialist parties) and define their objectives. If you allow a nutjob to speak for you, then don't cry because people think you're nutjobs.
Because we've increased our wealth consumption whilst lowering our wealth production. Doesn't matter how much you make money zip around the economy if the underlying balance of consumption versus production isn't there. Doesn't matter how attractive you make investing if you make the smartest investments outside of the USA. By dropping our protective tariffs whilst keeping our expensive environmental, human rights, and safety regulations, we've guaranteed that even though we can make American companies profitable (by lowering capital gains taxes and offering lots of corporate tax breaks), our good-paying jobs will increasingly vanish to cheaper labor markets. Anything that CAN be outsourced, WILL be outsourced. That includes CEOs; while the American company initially profits greatly from the cheaper non-American labor, within a decade or two the foreign manufacturer is the one who understands how to push the technology and eventually pushes the now-bloated American company out of that market, if not into bankruptcy.Funny that. Tax on investment income is at its lowest point since WW2, and has been falling since the mid-1990's.
http://cloudfront.mediamattersaction.org/static/images/historical_tax_rates2.jpg
If low capital gains rates are so good for the economy, why are we here?
There's no need to start repeating yourself. You've already made it quite clear to everyone that you have no respect for soldiers.
The point is in America you can work hard, make good decisions and you can and likely will be successful and in the top 5% of earners and do pretty well. Those that complain don't understand this simple fact. It's not the banks, it's not capitalism, it's not whatever excuse these hippies have holding you down - it's only yourself to blame. Personal responsibility is a wonderful thing, it empowers and even drives you to become successful.
I've got to say, from the tremendous knee-jerk derision and demonization some of you are dumping on these protestors, it seems like you must be scared shitless that these kids, in all their disorganized glory, may actually -- finally -- pose a well-deserved threat to the elite few that have systematically looted America over the last 30 years. You can play apologist to the status quo all you want, but they have valid concerns and unlike you, they've actually gotten off their over-indulged, middle-class asses and stood up to try to change things. I don't know if it's a flash in the pan or a movement with real legs, but at least they've shifted the debate away from all the usual phony wedge issues like gays and guns.
I'm all for change, the thing is I don't like what the movement seems to be saying. Why aren't they blaming their educators? They're bitching about not having work and all this debt, that comes from their educators teaching them wrong. Guiding them down the wrong past. Who cares if they really get something done, it'll be bullshit because their aim is to small and off target. When they get their aim down and stop with all the non-sense I'll go join their protests.