how about you shut your fat stupid mouth.
I think that OWS is going to have to do the same thing the Tea Party did, they'll have to identify impostors, dismiss obvious whackos, reject some supporters (communist and national socialist parties) and define their objectives. If you allow a nutjob to speak for you, then don't cry because people think you're nutjobs.
How can you say that? The educators are the problem. lmao. Why is the solution to every problem always just some simple thing like "teachers" durr. Dont you realize issues are way more complex then you present them?
The fact that you believe this once again demonstrates how thoroughly indoctrinated you are. No matter what your masters tell you, this is not about individuals. It is about a horribly corrupted system.
Get well soon.
They are, but these people aren't even blaming their educators for guiding them down the wrong path. Not even a mention. The debt they took on is not their fault nor the fault of the people they paid. BTW by educators I don't mean just teachers. I mean the entire educational institution so bleh blah bleh your fucking teacher shit. 40k of student loan debt? That's the banks fault? lols... maybe ask why the fuck they charge you so much in the first place for things that will never teach you a real world skill. FAIL.
are you ever going to argue the point? Or are you just going to attack me and call me names, etc etc?
How can you say that? The educators are the problem. lmao. Why is the solution to every problem always just some simple thing like "teachers" durr. Dont you realize issues are way more complex then you present them?
you are a indoctrinated robot. Why would anyone take you serious enough to debate the color of the sky with you?
So the entire reason why ows even exists is because of the higher education industry?
Idiot.
This is too easy. Because you have no case, you have to call me a robot.
Come back when you can make a real point.
No, I'm talking about some specific things that they're not even mentioning. This is just ONE thing JSt0rm, but you're to much of a tool trying to find any little thing to spin. There are others. How about asking the government to fix a problem they themselves created? What are they going to do protest the morons who are bought and sold into changing shit? No, then they have to vote. Who are they going to vote for? More bought and sold politicians because to many are making this an ideological issue and pointing fingers. EVERYONE IS TO BLAME. I have said this shit before, but nope your toolish ass can't have any sort of conversation or debate without reverting into a retard.
There is no avoiding some penetration of any movement.
Back when the 'USA Communist Party' was the big scare, it was so penetrated the FBI plants were becoming the leaders; they said it seemed to have mostly informants.
In more recent history, even ridiculously peaceful groups, like grandmas for knitting and talking about opposing war, were targeted for penetration.
At times, left-wing groups have had plants who advocate violence like killing police, who start violence at events, to try to discredit the movement.
That's just part of the process. You can't claim that because it happens, the movement is discredited.
I have no interest in debating you. I see idiots like you all the time. Your entire opinion has been sculpted from your right wing radio ideology. Nobody gives a fuck about you. Move on little shit.
No shit you fucking dipshit. I brought up various different issues in this thread. This is a super long fucking thread, do I need to fucking quote EVERY other post I have ever made when I go to make a post so you don't think my target is so narrow? God you're a tool. Fact is, they aren't yelling for educational reform and blaming their educators and government for failure to educate them. That's a big issue. There's others, but it seems to me a lot of people are out of work because they spent so much time gaining skills which are unnecessary. Not only did they spend so much time, they also wasted so much money. Sure asshole CEOs get paid to much, I completely agree. Stop supporting those companies. Government isn't going to help, they created the issue. Dems/Reps, Libs/Conservs,etc all this group think and group identity is another issue. How many other issues can we bring up? There's a lot JSt0rm, but the messages I'm getting from the movement is one of ignorance of the real world.dude. STUDENT LOANS ARENT THE ONLY ISSUE. DURR.
To the extremely limited extent you made a point, I did "argue" it. See the bolded above. Of course claiming the entire OWS movement is about demonizing people is such an empty and ill-informed point it didn't really take much arguing.are you ever going to argue the point? Or are you just going to attack me and call me names, etc etc?The fact that you believe this once again demonstrates how thoroughly indoctrinated you are. No matter what your masters tell you, this is not about individuals. It is about a horribly corrupted system.
Get well soon.
I'm all for change, the thing is I don't like what the movement seems to be saying. Why aren't they blaming their educators? They're bitching about not having work and all this debt, that comes from their educators teaching them wrong. Guiding them down the wrong past. Who cares if they really get something done, it'll be bullshit because their aim is to small and off target. When they get their aim down and stop with all the non-sense I'll go join their protests.
To the extremely limited extent you made a point, I did "argue" it. See the bolded above. Of course claiming the entire OWS movement is about demonizing people is such an empty and ill-informed point it didn't really take much arguing.
In general your comments here have consistently been blindly partisan, empty parroting of the talking points from rnc.org ... just like your purported "point" above. Not an original thought in your head. Therefore, trying to have a constructive discussion with you would be a waste of both time and electrons. If you don't like that, then put down the Kool Aid and engage your brain or go back to the Free Republic echo chamber where your nonsense won't be challenged.
Explain to me how singleing out the 1% and blaming them for all the problems you have is not demonizing them?
OWS blames the 1% for curroption
OWS blames the 1% for the economy
OWS blames the 1% for health care costs
OWS blames the 1% for not having jobs
OWS blames the 1% for their student loans.
Where am I wrong? I dailly read the OWS website, and wearethe99%. just about every supporter of the movement blames the 1% for their problems.
The 1% are just the new whipping boys.
Good points, but OWS is still going to have to make an active effort to get rid of the nutjobs. The FBIs track record isn't that good with either left or right wing groups, either is the BATFs.
Fair enough ... to a point. It seems to me though there's a bit of a double standard. Some of the most prominent spokesmen on the right have been nuts -- Beck, Colter, Palin, Bachmann -- and when they've said exceptionally stupid things most on the right have been quick to cry about people who accept their comments as representative of the right as a whole. The fact is you don't always get to pick who the media talk to and focus on. We each have an obligation to be smarter than that, to dig a little deeper, to avoid easy stereotypes and recognize that the lunatic fringe makes great ratings but does not represent the rank and file.I think that OWS is going to have to do the same thing the Tea Party did, they'll have to identify impostors, dismiss obvious whackos, reject some supporters (communist and national socialist parties) and define their objectives. If you allow a nutjob to speak for you, then don't cry because people think you're nutjobs.
I already explained it. L2read.Explain to me how singleing out the 1% and blaming them for all the problems you have is not demonizing them?
OWS blames the 1% for curroption
OWS blames the 1% for the economy
OWS blames the 1% for health care costs
OWS blames the 1% for not having jobs
OWS blames the 1% for their student loans.
Where am I wrong? I dailly read the OWS website, and wearethe99%. just about every supporter of the movement blames the 1% for their problems.
The 1% are just the new whipping boys.
Sorry, but you're cherry-picking a couple of weak "points," inflating them out of proportion, and pretending that's what the whole movement is about. They do have valid points about the lack of jobs and high student loan debt, but I agree that demanding student loans be forgiven is unreasonable. (I'd blame their parents for that, btw, not teachers.) So I reject that point, to whatever extent it has broad support in OWS (debatable), while still recognizing the validity of the larger issues they raise.I'm all for change, the thing is I don't like what the movement seems to be saying. Why aren't they blaming their educators? They're bitching about not having work and all this debt, that comes from their educators teaching them wrong. Guiding them down the wrong past. Who cares if they really get something done, it'll be bullshit because their aim is to small and off target. When they get their aim down and stop with all the non-sense I'll go join their protests.
Darwin, I don't agree with that either. Though I almost completely disagree with the notion of bankruptcy. I don't think it should exist. You shouldn't take debt you cannot pay back in some form. So I don't feel sorry for anyone who takes on debt they can't pay back. They should have thought that out before hand.
I understand they're quietly killing them and disposing of the bodies already.
They can't 'get rid' of them. They can limit the role they play.