#OccupyWallstreet

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ComradeBeck

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Exactly, deep down the real Republicans WANT to be a part of this movement, but Fox news is telling them not to.



So instead we get Americans vs Americans with America losing.

Really it is not a matter of WANT, it is time for these guys to grow up, pull their heads out of their silly infotainment "culture war" and help clean the mess up they had a big part in making, Conservatives can go back to being contrarian douchebags who hate the fact they didn't get laid in the 60s or lost the civil war or whatever later.

The issue is not a left/right thing. It's anti-corruption, if Conservatives like capitalism so much then they need to put their money where their mouths are and get on board to save it already. Foxnews or whatever football team they imagine they are on the side of be damned.

The Left could use a damn good coherent message, but even more important the Right needs to snap back to reality and get on board, the Democrats alone are not going to be able to tackle this without reasoned debate and responsible governing, (they need a good cleaning/wakeup also) something the radicalization of the Conservatives has made a bad word. Not all Conservatives will be fooled forever by these rich old guys lying/discrediting working people forever.
 
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OneOfTheseDays

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We simply cannot have progress in this country when one side of the isle literally wants to dismantle the EPA, give more tax breaks to the ultra wealthy, and slash funding for education and science.

The Republicans and their constituents HAVE to snap back to reality. Our country needs them now more than ever. If we can't all agree that what's been happening to this country by greedy banks and other financial institutions is CRIMINAL we are doomed.
 

Bowfinger

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I've got to say, from the tremendous knee-jerk derision and demonization some of you are dumping on these protestors, it seems like you must be scared shitless that these kids, in all their disorganized glory, may actually -- finally -- pose a well-deserved threat to the elite few that have systematically looted America over the last 30 years. You can play apologist to the status quo all you want, but they have valid concerns and unlike you, they've actually gotten off their over-indulged, middle-class asses and stood up to try to change things. I don't know if it's a flash in the pan or a movement with real legs, but at least they've shifted the debate away from all the usual phony wedge issues like gays and guns.
 

michal1980

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^no one is scared shitless. If you have to keep telling yourself that go ahead. The rest of the usa is starting to move on.

 

cubby1223

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I've got to say, from the tremendous knee-jerk derision and demonization some of you are dumping on these protestors, it seems like you must be scared shitless that these kids, in all their disorganized glory, may actually -- finally -- pose a well-deserved threat to the elite few that have systematically looted America over the last 30 years. You can play apologist to the status quo all you want, but they have valid concerns and unlike you, they've actually gotten off their over-indulged, middle-class asses and stood up to try to change things. I don't know if it's a flash in the pan or a movement with real legs, but at least they've shifted the debate away from all the usual phony wedge issues like gays and guns.

Posting on an inconsequential internet forum equals "scared shitless" ? The more intriguing question is what motivated you to write that?
 

Bowfinger

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Posting on an inconsequential internet forum equals "scared shitless" ?
No, "scared shitless" is a state of being. Posting your terror on the Internet only documents it.


The more intriguing question is what motivated you to write that?
Hmm. What could it be? Think, think, think. If only I'd offered a clue, e.g., "the tremendous knee-jerk derision and demonization some of you are dumping on these protestors."
 

palehorse

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The directionless morons in the parks don't worry me one bit. Zero. Nada.

I'm much more concerned with the Marxists and other anti-American groups behind the scenes that are quietly funding their continued efforts...
 
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orbster556

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All of which sounds peachy, except that underwriters are incapable of holding the securities they create if they're to pursue their normal function. They don't have the capital. In the traditional market, they don't sell because they believe the value will fall. It's not how they represent their product, nor is that the understanding of the buyer. They sell to free up their own capital to create more securities. They depend on flow.

I have to disagree here because the banks that failed or were pushed to the precipice during F08 were precisely those banks that held onto the super-senior trances of the CDOs they were selling to investors. They held onto to these classes of notes because there was no market for them because of their extremely low yield. When the value of these assets declined when the housing bubble popped, the banks lost a large source of the collateral they used to prop up their borrowing in the repo market. As the repo market was vital to the banks' daily funding, the removal of that source of funding sounded the death knell for the banks.

The relationship between securitizer and purchaser is simply not as you describe, nor should it ever be. If it were, no MBS would ever be sold. Investors realize that securitizers have a higher level of information, depend on their integrity, that of the ratings agencies, and also the regulatory systems involved.

Again, I don't disagree but I believe you are misrepresenting my position. Of course investors will rely on regs and ratings agencies to ensure the integrity of the product (as well as independent portfolio selectors). If you think, however, they investors don't personally evaluate the quality of the pool of assets that underlie the notes they are purchasing then you're sugesting that the investors, in effect, are purchasing sight unseen.

When investors realized none of that was the case, they quit buying, and the system locked up. Because of the extremely complex nature of the instruments involved, it became impossible to evaluate the value of existing MBS, and their market price plunged.

I agree again; as the market price for securitized products plunged the troubled banks were those had been stockpiling this debt or had it pushed back onto their balance sheet from SIVs or SPVs. This left many banks facing huge unfunded liabilities. More importantly, however, the decline in the market prices shut the banks out of the repo market because counter-parties in repo transactions now demanded huge haricuts because the value of the securities had declined so precipitously.

Which is where all the insurance policies, CDS, were supposed to come into play, except that none of the players had the liquidity to pay up, necessitating the bailout.

Some, such as insurance monolines, were indeed insolvent. Others, such as AIG, simply couldn't meet collateral calls (indeed, because AIG's CDS obligations were related to super-senior notes that didn't actually default, the number of contracts on which they forced to pay was a tiny fraction of the overall notational they extended).

The rest? Of course you have no desire to respond, because doing so would require a level of obfuscation that even you would find extremely challenging.

Perhaps it would be more prudent if you left prognostication of my internal desires to other parties.

The gross incompetence and malfeasance of the Bush Admin is illustrated by a single chart

I'm not trying to use this as a wind-up, but what how does the chart buttress your claims of 'gross incompetence and malfeasance'? Were Bush administration policies partly responsible for the dramatic surge in home prices -- of course, 100%. Were they the sole cause -- no, full stop. To asset otherwise suggests, to me at least, that the one positing such a view is actuated by 'gross incompetence' or is merely a hack of the highest order.
 

fskimospy

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The directionless morons in the parks don't worry me one bit. Zero. Nada.

I'm much more concerned with the Marxists and other anti-American groups behind the scenes that are quietly funding their continued efforts...

You honestly think anti-American sentiment is behind this?

Paranoid fantasy.
 

Patranus

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You honestly think anti-American sentiment is behind this?

Paranoid fantasy.

They want communism. That is VERY anti American.

It is simply a bunch of entitled spoiled rich white kids who (ironically) are living off mommy and daddies money and see they might have to put in effort in life to get what they want when their parents are no longer there/cut them off.
 

ComradeBeck

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They want communism. That is VERY anti American.

It is simply a bunch of entitled spoiled rich white kids who (ironically) are living off mommy and daddies money and see they might have to put in effort in life to get what they want when their parents are no longer there/cut them off.


You are about the last person in here who should be commenting on what being an American is, you do not know shit from your postings about this country or it's people. You are another talk radio/braindead fanboi with 0% reality base.

Communism....you ever seen the commies headquarters in the USA? They use milk crates for tables and eat dumpstered food. Yeah, those guys are really behind a giant nefarious plot. What a bunch of paranoid losers...get out sometime, you and lamehorse, take Anarchofail20 too. Please for the love of mankind. Get laid or something.
 
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Patranus

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You are about the last person in here who should be commenting on what being an American is, you do not know shit from your postings about this country or it's people. You are another talk radio/braindead fanboi with 0% reality base.

Communism....you ever seen the commies headquarters in the USA? They use milk crates for tables and eat dumpstered food. Yeah, those guys are really behind a giant nefarious plot. What a bunch of paranoid losers...get out sometime, you and lamehorse, take Anarchofail20 too. Please for the love of mankind. Get laid or something.

Communism? Have you ever been to Russia? I have. It destroyed that country. The people are still suffering from its impact.

These people want equal outcomes not equal opportunity. They want "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

Don't tell me what it means to be American. I worked my ass off through good time and bad to build what I have and I am not about to let some entitled spoiled brats act like I owe them something.
 

palehorse

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You honestly think anti-American sentiment is behind this?

Paranoid fantasy.

Behind most of the hapless lost souls showing up in the parks to freeze and accomplish next to nothing? No.

Behind those fools' continued funding? Yes, absolutely.

The only "fantasy" here is believing that such groups don't exist, and that they're not involved.
 
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palehorse

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You are about the last person in here who should be commenting on what being an American is, you do not know shit from your postings about this country or it's people. You are another talk radio/braindead fanboi with 0% reality base.

Communism....you ever seen the commies headquarters in the USA? They use milk crates for tables and eat dumpstered food. Yeah, those guys are really behind a giant nefarious plot. What a bunch of paranoid losers...get out sometime, you and lamehorse, take Anarchofail20 too. Please for the love of mankind. Get laid or something.
I've seen more of this world in the last 20 years of my 37 than you'll see in your entire lifetime.

For that very reason, I know exactly which model governments and policies to avoid in our own nation. Excessive regulation, welfare expansion, nationalized banking, and nationalized healthcare? No fucking thank you. I've seen firsthand what such socialized tendencies can do to completely destroy an otherwise promising nation.

Get laid? Sigh... I have no idea why a supposed adult would draw any correlations between sex and the serious issues facing this country. Grow up, son.
 

ComradeBeck

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Communism? Have you ever been to Russia? I have. It destroyed that country.

You read this on a seedy Moscow toilet stall one late night? :biggrin:

Russia is still the USSR, they took over the Democratic Party in this big nefarious plot...right? Fomented by those dastardly union fellows! Egads, you found us out...shit...IVAN HIDE THE SECRET COMMIE DECODER RING!! I think Rush spilled the beans on us!

You guys are such morons, I hope you know the comedy you fanbois bring when you repeat you rubbish online in front of people.

You Conservatives remind me of that douchey clique of friends you kinda dont really hang out with who always do some dumb shit like grow the ironic Pringles chips mustaches, laugh at the first guy, then all get one, then think they all are cool. The whole time everyone else is shaking their heads at what a bunch of dumbasses they are with that idiot thing on their lips.

You Conservative rebels, rock on with that corporate dirty sanchez on your face. The country is watching.
 
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OneOfTheseDays

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The conservatives on this forum are truly showing how utterly ignorant they are of the world around them. They live in a bubble, and are absolutely terrified of anything outside their bubble they don't understand. They've been brainwashed by talk-radio/Fox to lash out with hatred, anger, and the same tired ol' punchlines "LIBERALS ARE COMMIES".

It's time to move on. This country needs to move forward, and you are all holding us back.
 

fskimospy

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I've seen more of this world in the last 20 years of my 37 than you'll see in your entire lifetime.

For that very reason, I know exactly which model governments and policies to avoid in our own nation. Excessive regulation, welfare expansion, nationalized banking, and nationalized healthcare? No fucking thank you. I've seen firsthand what such socialized tendencies can do to completely destroy an otherwise promising nation.

Get laid? Sigh... I have no idea why a supposed adult would draw any correlations between sex and the serious issues facing this country. Grow up, son.

Have you now. I'd love to know what 'otherwise promising nation' you believe was ruined by excessive regulation, welfare expansion, and nationalized health care.
 

fskimospy

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If you want to call the complete communist takeover and nationalization of an entire country 'excessive regulation'... uhmm... okay. No rational person would refer to it in that way though.

Not that I know why I'm bothering to respond to you, given your history and all.
 
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