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Craig234

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Her quote states the "world" needs to be liberated from American culture, not just contained within America. In other words, completely wiped out. I don't like the OMG America is #1 jazz hands BS, but her quote to me clearly states she wants the entire world rid of American culture and values.

You are wrongly interpreting the phrase in my opinion - without my having researched the context, but inferring it. If you were right, of course I'd agree it's anti-American.

Even there I'd point out there's a difference between opposing PART of a culture and opposing THE CULTURE.

You can oppose Maoism without being 'anti-China'.
 

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palehorse

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Her quote states the "world" needs to be liberated from American culture, not just contained within America. In other words, completely wiped out. I don't like the OMG America is #1 jazz hands BS, but her quote to me clearly states she wants the entire world rid of American culture and values.
This. At no point has Lasn ever limited his criticism to the culture spreading "outside the US." That was just Craig spinning his statement in an effort to defend one of his anti-American heroes.

In fact, Lasn is well known for loudly opposing all aspects of American culture and capitalism -- ie. his extreme anti-consumerist beliefs such as getting rid of TV, running water, and cars. He also advocates violence to make that happen! Doh!

And yes, Lasn is the one who created and promoted OWS. Isn't that just swell?

Labeling Lasn as anything other than anti-American is ridiculous -- borderline lunacy.
 
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bfdd

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damn wtf kind of "projectile" did the police launch? shoot out a gas canister or something and catch the dude in the head?
 

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Sad story but when you don't follow the orders of police and/or don't use common sense bad things are bound to happen.

Secondly, his "friends" did his a big disservice by surrounding him and not following orders of police. It isn't their job to provide medical attention. They should have left that to the paramedics. By going to him against police orders they compounded the issue causing further police action.
 

dwell

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Watch the video.

Police: "You must leave now. We declare this an unlawful assembly."

Protestors: "Derp, derp derp."

Police: "Seriously. Leave now or we will use chemicals on you."

Protestors: "Derp, derp derp."

Police: "Again we will seriously use chemicals on you. Leave now."

Protestors: "Derp, derp derp."

Police: "Last warning. See those 'guns' the officers have, they are tear gas launchers. Now we kindly ask again that you leave."

Protestors: "Derp, derp derp."

...

Protestors: "Cough, cough, cough."
 

fskimospy

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Watch the video.

Police: "You must leave now. We declare this an unlawful assembly."

Protestors: "Derp, derp derp."

Police: "Seriously. Leave now or we will use chemicals on you."

Protestors: "Derp, derp derp."

Police: "Again we will seriously use chemicals on you. Leave now."

Protestors: "Derp, derp derp."

Police: "Last warning. See those 'guns' the officers have, they are tear gas launchers. Now we kindly ask again that you leave."

Protestors: "Derp, derp derp."

...

Protestors: "Cough, cough, cough."

Protesters should always assemble only where, when, and how they are directed to by the police and governmental authorities. This should work really well.
 

Craig234

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Here's a picture I posted of a protester shot by the Oakland Police under Bush, protesting the Iraq war:



But perhaps more informative is the first post replying to that photo that year.

I just posted to Palehorse that he made 'predictable mindless attacks of anti-Americanism against real patriots who protest wrongs'. Sound familiar?

YES!!!! This is good to see. It's about time the police started getting some backbone and taking action against these America hating morons who wanted to see Saddam remain in power, who want to see our own troops go without critical supplies.
If ever there was a justified use of force, this one was it. The police made the correct call. These so-called war protestors (America protestors, really) were illegally interfering with a private business which was shipping supplies to our own service men and women over-seas. Under the sedition act, this is treason during a time of war....not to mention criminal and amoral. They were directly threatening other human beings. The police did EXACTLY what they should have done. Only in America is non-lethal force really used with such great caution. Any other country would have shot these traitors…no questions asked.

Ironic how these morons are protesting the very country that gives them the freedom to protest and to even violate the law with willing acts of treason such as this, and stay alive to do it. Ask the Chinese what they think of rubber bullets….Can you say Tiananmen Square anyone? And Nazis? I don’t think so. The Nazis would have lined them up single file and shot them with one bullet so that they wouldn’t waste any ammunition.

Here we have a time of national emergency, when the first responders such as police could be needed to respond to a terrorist threat, and these protestors are sapping those resources. In other words, by constantly absorbing the attention of the police, they are making areas more vulnerable to terrorism, not to mention, costing the city tremendous amounts of money (which could be going towards security) and diverting resources away from real crime. In fact, it honestly could be said these protestors work for terrorists and regimes such as Saddam Husseins (past tense) against America. They are anti-capitalism, anti-America, anti-military and would prevent our troops from being supplied, if they could.

You are damn right they should be shot with rubber bullets for these crimes.....at the very least.
 

dwell

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Protesters should always assemble only where, when, and how they are directed to by the police and governmental authorities. This should work really well.

I don't care about your plight, man. If some dude with a shotgun walks on *my* lawn and tells me to leave or he's gonna blow my head off -- imma fucking leave.

Common sense, people.
 

fskimospy

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I don't care about your plight, man. If some dude with a shotgun walks on *my* lawn and tells me to leave or he's gonna blow my head off -- imma fucking leave.

Common sense, people.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make. People should always comply when threatened?
 

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Here's a picture I posted of a protester shot by the Oakland Police under Bush, protesting the Iraq war:



But perhaps more informative is the first post replying to that photo that year.

I just posted to Palehorse that he made 'predictable mindless attacks of anti-Americanism against real patriots who protest wrongs'. Sound familiar?

And?

People know the risks when they don't follow the rule of law.
Once you are given a command by police you have 2 options, follow the command or get your ass kicked. Pretty straightforward.

The job of the police is to uphold the rule of law not carter to those who break it.

Anyone who doesn't follow the commands of an officer is at fault for whatever happens next.
 

Craig234

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I don't care about your plight, man. If some dude with a shotgun walks on *my* lawn and tells me to leave or he's gonna blow my head off -- imma fucking leave.

Common sense, people.

And some say the protesters are the ones at odds with American values.

If the British say do as you're told and they have guns, do what you're told!

This is how protest works a lot of the time - people facing abuse of power make that visible by acts causing that abuse of power to be made clear.

In the deep south, there was discrimination - and the nation couldn't care less.

Then Martin Luther King recruited black children - even the parents couldn't be bothered to protest - to march and Bull Conner used dogs and fire hoses on them. THAT gave the civil rights movement photos that had global interest, including by the communist bloc out to show the third world bad about America - and that made the government care.

Freedom riders rode buses that blacks could legally ride, but custom denied them - and when they were beaten by racist mobs, with the police allowing it, when the personal representative of President Kennedy was knocked unconscious observing the activity, THAT made the issue more visible and something was done.

There are always idiots who 'blame the victims'. The Kennedys themselves opposed things like the Freedom Riders. But they deserve praise for fighting against wrongs.

That's what brought change. A century after the civil war ended slavery had not ended discrimination. A century after the founding of the country hadn't given women the vote.
 

fskimospy

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Not necessarily. Just don't act surprised when you end up in harm's way.

Who is? If anything, this works to the protesters' advantage most likely. Police overreaction to these protests has been a godsend for the movement. Strangely, the cops haven't yet realized this.
 

fskimospy

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And?

People know the risks when they don't follow the rule of law.
Once you are given a command by police you have 2 options, follow the command or get your ass kicked. Pretty straightforward.

The job of the police is to uphold the rule of law not carter to those who break it.

Anyone who doesn't follow the commands of an officer is at fault for whatever happens next.

Oh really? So if someone doesn't comply the officer is immediately off the hook for whatever happens next? Where in the police manual does it say that? You need to point that out because an awful lot of departments and officers have lost in court over the years for things like that and I'm sure they would love to have their judgments overturned and their money back.

You never fail to push the boundaries of dumb.
 

dwell

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Then Martin Luther King recruited black children - even the parents couldn't be bothered to protest - to march and Bull Conner used dogs and fire hoses on them.

Comparing the civil rights movement to a bunch of spoiled brats who took the wrong major on college? Really?!? You don't see that as slightly skewed?
 

dwell

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Who is? If anything, this works to the protesters' advantage most likely. Police overreaction to these protests has been a godsend for the movement. Strangely, the cops haven't yet realized this.

Yeah because of that girl hit with the rubber bullet in the Iraq War protest picture stopped the war. Oh wait.
 
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