Protesters should always assemble only where, when, and how they are directed to by the police and governmental authorities. This should work really well.
Here's a picture I posted of a protester shot by the Oakland Police under Bush, protesting the Iraq war:
But perhaps more informative is the first post replying to that photo that year.
I just posted to Palehorse that he made 'predictable mindless attacks of anti-Americanism against real patriots who protest wrongs'. Sound familiar?
Actually, that is the law... as is the requirement to follow all lawful orders given by Police.
Bad things happen to people who disobey the law -- including those who believe their actions are justified.
Civil disobedience is risky and should not be undertaken by anyone who is not willing to pay a price for their actions.
That said, I sincerely hope the injured protester and all of the Police are OK. I hate seeing anyone get hurt...
Oh really? So if someone doesn't comply the officer is immediately off the hook for whatever happens next? Where in the police manual does it say that? You need to point that out because an awful lot of departments and officers have lost in court over the years for things like that and I'm sure they would love to have their judgments overturned and their money back.
You never fail to push the boundaries of dumb.
Of course that's the law. So what? The laws are pretty specifically designed to limit the size and duration of any protest so that it has limited impact.
If people want to disobey those laws I have no problem with it. This doesn't mean that I endorse any violent behavior (of course that's very much a he said she said thing on this one), but the act of protesting outside of their permit area I'm totally down with.
Then you are breaking the law and the police will respond the way they respond to people breaking the law. Can't exactly do than and then cry fault when you get hurt in the process.
My rule of thumb is non-compliance will lead to undesirable results on my end. Even if the cops are wrong, I will still be compliant and then sue the living shit out of the department (and pay my grad school loans with the proceeds..weee).
What would you suggest cops do when facing an illegal assembly?
What? Your eternal support for any/all things anti-American?Sound familiar?
What? Your eternal support for any/all things anti-American?
Yes, it certainly sounds familiar...
You know that police routinely break up illegal assemblies without the use of tear gas, beatings, rubber bullets, etc, right?
Which, in turn, encourages the protesters to more frequently bait the Police... hmmm...Every story like this just gives the people they are trying to control more power.
Which, in turn, encourages the protesters to more frequently bait the Police... hmmm...
How do you break up an illegal assembly where you're outnumbered 10+ to 1 ? Aside from the fun darpa crowd control gizmos (high pitch noise/ microwaves), I don't see how any PD can react efficiently w/o bean bags and rubber bullets.
cops shooting protesters in american? yeah ok in your delirious idea of america
Which, in turn, encourages the protesters to more frequently bait the Police... hmmm...
Why? Because I believe that directly interfering with supply shipments for troops constitutes treason?Who cares? Being 'baited' is no excuse for police misconduct. They are supposed to be professionals, they better act like it.
That quote from you was pretty illuminating though, foaming at the mouth about treason and executing protesters, etc. You're a pretty shitty human being.
How so? Which "views" are you referring to?Serious. You are VERY extreme in your views.
Many of the protests in New York have been far larger than Occupy Oakland, and they were dispersed without significant violence, certainly nothing on the order of what happened last night.
So I guess my answer is they can, and do.
Let's take a look at a situation. There are 1000 people in a kingdom. They are all working and making money. Time goes on and a few of them start working for each other. Businesses are born. Now there are 800 workers and 200 business owners. Things are going well. Some people make more money than others, but that's how things work. Time goes on further and now there are only 50 businesses and 950 workers. Things are starting to get dirty. The 50 business owners have a lot more money than the others and are 'buying' politicians and enforcing rules that hurt competition and allow them to make even more money. I wouldn't really call it fair, but the politicians are getting paid well so they get away with it. Time goes on further, now there are 7 business owners and and 993 workers. The 7 business owners have decided they aren't going to pay a majority of their workers shit. They are going to take huge profits and the workers don't have anything they can do about it. They try to start their own business but are crushed by the size and the power of the large business. The only option is to work for them. They can't go to another business because all 7 business owners realize that they can just pay them shit and the workers can't do anything about it. They have ALL the power and can reap HUGE rewards. Meanwhile, these business owners complain that 500 of these workers don't pay any taxes and want them to pay their fair share. These workers would probably be fine paying higher taxes if they got paid a better wage!
This is the situation we are moving towards. Don't anyone dare tell me politicians aren't in the pockets of big business. I think we can ALL agree that is a FACT. The average wage of a worker has gone up 40% since 1979, while the average salary of teh top 1% has gone up over 300%. Exactly what my little story illustrates. We have come to a point where it's very difficult to do much about it.
How the hell can ANYONE disagree with the 1% (or really the .1%) as being unfair to the average person. They have so much power and control its ridiculous. We have to take it back.
<------------------- Republican/Conservative and middle income with no debt and a good job. But I definitely understand/identify with those who are unemployed/underpaid and mistreated (aka most of us).
Why? Because I believe that directly interfering with supply shipments for troops constitutes treason?
So be it... I guess I'm "a shitty human being."
/rolleyes