#OccupyWallstreet

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davmat787

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But yeah, I am a bit of a "firebrand lefty", if people take my shit personal then send me a message. In the end it is just politics, a rather distasteful and dirty hobby.

Don't be so hard on yourself, maybe you are simply a Grade A Asshole?
 

MagickMan

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How are you supposed to respond to thick headed people who basically just want to get your goat

Oh, the irony. You're one of the biggest trolls in P&N. We prove that you're wrong time and time again and you just ignore it and keep on with your idiocy. You aren't someone to debate with, you're someone to pity because you aren't capable of actually seeing another point of view, much less do any critical thinking on your own.
 

Craig234

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You just simply cannot make a post without insulting the person you are responding to. A most effective and mature communication and debate technique.

He didn't 'insult the person he was responding to'; in fact, you did that more than he did.

He criticized the comment, which I'll quote here - and you had NOTHING to say about it:

"You fail to realize that partisanship is brought about by "progressive" expansion of the federal government."

So someone makes the incredibly absurd comment that partisanship is caused by 'progressive expansion of the federal government', and you say, "don't criticize that!"

What is this "progressive expansion of the federal government"?

Well, there are a few major phases to it. Tell me which one you want to reverse most.

The first was following the gilded age - to fight things like the laws against workers' right to organize, for laws reducing child labor, 16x6 work weeks, etc.

This is in fact called the 'progressive era' in US politics. It also opposed the bought and paid for corruption of the appointed US Senate by allowing the people to elect their Senators, and created the Fed in response to one of the constant financial crashes, and to create the right in some states for the people to overrule corrupt legislatures with ballot measures. It lasted from about 1900-1920.

The second major 'progressive era' began after the Great Depression the right-wing policies brought the nation, with FDR's reforms, restricting banks from things like mixing their banking and investment activities that created conflicts of interest (Glass-Steagel), addressed a 90% poverty rate among the elderly with Social Security, strengthened unions such that workers did better and the middle class was made far stronger. The era that began was from about 1933-1979.

Later, it saw things like the expansion of medical care for senior Americans, benefits for the disabled, and the civil rights laws that banned the discrimination the US always had.

We actually haven't had a 'progressive era' since those. We've had two Democratic presidencies, under corporatist Democrats, Clinton and Obama.

There, while the corporations did far better in a 30 year period in which 80% of economic growth went to the top 1%, the massive debt the *Republicans* ran up was at least slowed under Clinton's 8 years while the deficit was reduced every year and Obama has had the biggest economic collapse since the Great depression to address - reducing the damage from losing 750,000 jobs monthly when he took office to tiny job private sector job growth for quite a while now despite Republicans obstructing.

The fact is, the claim that the 'explosive growth' in the government is 'progressive' ignores the massive CORRUPT growth under the Republicans that's not progressive at all, since Reagan. The defense industry explosion, the corporate subsidy explosion, even the Medicare Part D which actually was worse for many seniors but gave hundreds of billions of tax dollars to Republicans' biggest donor industry, big pharma.

Progressives did see growth - reducing elder poverty, providing medical care being the largest and other programs to benefit 99% - and the economy.

In fact, this is why all economic indicators - growth, personal incomes across the board, the stock market, employment, and others - have done better basically all the time in the last century under Democratic presidents than under Republican presidents. It's quite simple - the Democratic presidents - not all 'progressive' - have tended to help the people and Republicans have fought to help the 1% at the expense of the people.

So the quote is both inaccurate - ignoring the huge explosions of the government under Republicans since Reagan, including the massive increases in our debt in peacetime to buy a 'phony prosperity' that transferred wealth to the top and saw the country go from the biggest creditor to the biggest debtor - and it leaves you needing to answer just what 'progressive growth' you want to repeal. Elder poverty prevention? Medical care? Education? Other programs that help the people and the poor and middle classes?

You had NOTHING to say against the quote that is absurdly wrong - only to say that any attack on the quote was wrong.

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davmat787

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He didn't 'insult the person he was responding to'; in fact, you did that more than he did. *snipped the rest, didn't read*

Umm, I was referring to his posting style on the whole Craig. Go read his posts and tell me he can't rarely make a post without insulting people. Considering you are the one who resorts to actually putting people on ignore for insults, I am not sure why you are so upset.
 

Craig234

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Umm, I was referring to his posting style on the whole Craig. Go read his posts and tell me he can't rarely make a post without insulting people. Considering you are the one who resorts to actually putting people on ignore for insults, I am not sure why you are so upset.

You bolded a particular quote as the thing you were attacking. I responded to that. If you can't be bothered to read my post, I can't be bothered to respond more.
 

Craig234

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Another vital political message from our "Occupy Madison" friends.
"A neighboring hotel's staff alleged voiced concerns about having to recently escort hotel employees to and from bus stops late at night due to inappropriate behavior, such as public masturbation, from street protesters."

http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/occupy-madison-loses-permit-1.2669111#.TqtsanK5KWA

I saw crime statistics showing two public masturbators who were NOT in the protests and were Republicans. Ban the Republican party!
 

ComradeBeck

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Another vital political message from our "Occupy Madison" friends.
"A neighboring hotel's staff alleged voiced concerns about having to recently escort hotel employees to and from bus stops late at night due to inappropriate behavior, such as public masturbation, from street protesters."

http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/occupy-madison-loses-permit-1.2669111#.TqtsanK5KWA

Hey look, another baseless smear, someone should find some dirt on this lying reporter, I bet his wife would like to know what he gets up to with the "boys" when he has a few too many.


I work approximately 300 feet from the Occupy Madison space, five days per week, often until 10 p.m. or later at night. I can see it from my office window, often stopped by during the eleven days they were here. I never saw ANY masturbating, violence, drinking, public urination, or anything of the sort. There are homeless people who hang out at the Concourse's back steps (that's the hotel at issue), who might have been involved with Occupy or may have been getting some food, but even those guys behaved themselves and often joined the general assemblies and said their piece. There are a few self-appointed street cops on this and nearby blocks who disapprove of anything that wouldn't look good at the GAP store down State Street.

This reporter needs to be fired immediately! Do some research! None of this is true. Paul Street is not active in the organizing of Occupy Madison, nor is he capable to speak on behalf of the group. He may have been issued a permit for Occupy Madison but he was never allowed to do so by the Occupy Madison General Assembly. He doesn't even attend anything put on by Occupy Madison. As far as masturbation, that is clearly not something that occurred at the Occupy Madison camp. There is a 24/7 security detail assigned to the camp. If you want to report on Occupy Madison then go to the camp and speak with the people at the camp, 800 W. Washington Ave. Taylor Harvey, you should resign before you get fired!


Keep smearing, everyone is watching and knows you guys agenda a mile away.

Anyhow, why hate on wankers? If it were not for masturbation and date rape how would you guys get laid ever?

Geez, first they are hippies humping in the streets now they are wanking in dark alleys LOL

Yes, they are getting some, and you guys are not. Losers
 
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sportage

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Does anyone find it a little disturbing that every single person or media outlet that we get "our" news from, is most likely part of that top 1%. You wouldn't wonder if that just might put a "slant" on the way our news is reported, would you? Especially on the issue of OWS?

Compare the reporting of OWS to the reporting of riots in... say... Egypt.
Which side has been given the more favorable news coverage by our media?

If you are part of the true middle class. That is... you work at least a 40 hour week, your household income is between 50k and 150k, you rely on your employer or employment for healthcare. If you meet those requirements, it's just a matter of time before you and yours join the forces of OWS, "one way or another".
Or.... you can always buy a lotto ticket and join that top 1% (after you win, which naturally you will. Right?).
 

davmat787

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Does anyone find it a little disturbing that every single person or media outlet that we get "our" news from, is most likely part of that top 1%. You wouldn't wonder if that just might put a "slant" on the way our news is reported, would you? Especially on the issue of OWS?

I'm quite sure the media puts slants on the news, whether overtly or simply by not covering a story. Not sure if it simply comes down to them being part of that top 1%. Too many low level editors and reporters who aren't making tens of millions are involved right? Not everyone who puts out a biased piece is making millions of dollars. I think, and this is something I think Comrade Beck and I have some common ground, is that media has become more about entertainment and big bucks than ethical and unbiased news reporting.
 

Craig234

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People masturbate. If thousands of people making the sacrifice to stay out in public for the good of the people have some who do so technically 'in public', ok with me.

That doesn't mean exhibitionism and lewdness; it does mean catching them with binoculars from an office window trying not to bother anyone isn't a problem.

Amazing how so many are idiots who could care less about the important issues for the country, and care only about finding some kid who touches himself in a tent.
 

Jhhnn

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I saw the article in 2 different sources. Neither is mainstream, but who should i believe? ComradeBeck or 2 independent reporters?
http://www.punditpress.com/2011/10/occupy-madison-loses-permit-because.html

In other words, two articles cite the same zero credibility anonymous source, and you believe it because it's convenient to do so, and because it's politically expedient for a Madison fire prevention official to wade in on issues outside his realm of authority or expertise... as if he knows what he's talking about.

Even the most cursory examination reveals your punditpress blog post to be a contrived hit piece.
 

Jhhnn

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Does anyone find it a little disturbing that every single person or media outlet that we get "our" news from, is most likely part of that top 1%. You wouldn't wonder if that just might put a "slant" on the way our news is reported, would you? Especially on the issue of OWS?

Like this?



Compare the reporting of OWS to the reporting of riots in... say... Egypt.
Which side has been given the more favorable news coverage by our media?

Funny you'd mention Egypt. I bet this never hit the mainstream media in this country, at all-

http://boingboing.net/2011/10/28/tahrir.html
 

ComradeBeck

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I was in this crappy mood, until I saw this: thanks Jhnnn.

Right on! #Occupythewholefreakingplanet

Soon please, I want a bigass battlecruiser so I can check out those green/blue skinned hotties on Orion before my time is up. Why should Kirk get all the fun? :thumbsup:
 
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monovillage

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People masturbate. If thousands of people making the sacrifice to stay out in public for the good of the people have some who do so technically 'in public', ok with me.

That doesn't mean exhibitionism and lewdness; it does mean catching them with binoculars from an office window trying not to bother anyone isn't a problem.

Amazing how so many are idiots who could care less about the important issues for the country, and care only about finding some kid who touches himself in a tent.

Good to know that you think that public masturbation is neither lewd, nor exhibitionist. Does your wife agree?
 

davmat787

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Good to know that you think that public masturbation is neither lewd, nor exhibitionist. Does your wife agree?

Hey man, like Craig said they are out there for the good of the country, so they deserve a pass for masturbating in public. It is only natural after all. That Craig would want to defend public masturbation seems odd... especially since this story might not even be true.
 
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