#OccupyWallstreet

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wuliheron

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Serious question: Anyone heard of the OWS movement putting forth a candidate at the state and/or federal level?


They are not a political party! Quite the opposite, they are protesting the entire political process. OWS is the modern peaceful version of the peasants storming the palace with knives and pitch forks and demanding change or else. Instead of knives and pitch forks these peasants have cellphones and civil disobedience. With a single tweet any of them has the potential to create a flash crowd of thousands. There are now over 1,000 Occupy protests worldwide.
 

Brigandier

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They are not a political party! Quite the opposite, they are protesting the entire political process. OWS is the modern peaceful version of the peasants storming the palace with knives and pitch forks and demanding change or else. Instead of knives and pitch forks these peasants have cellphones and civil disobedience. With a single tweet any of them has the potential to create a flash crowd of thousands.

Peasants have college loans?
 

michal1980

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They are not a political party! Quite the opposite, they are protesting the entire political process. OWS is the modern peaceful version of the peasants storming the palace with knives and pitch forks and demanding change or else. Instead of knives and pitch forks these peasants have cellphones and civil disobedience. With a single tweet any of them has the potential to create a flash crowd of thousands. There are now over 1,000 Occupy protests worldwide.

So they are just complainers.
 

dwell

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They are not a political party! Quite the opposite, they are protesting the entire political process. OWS is the modern peaceful version of the peasants storming the palace with knives and pitch forks and demanding change or else. Instead of knives and pitch forks these peasants have cellphones and civil disobedience. With a single tweet any of them has the potential to create a flash crowd of thousands. There are now over 1,000 Occupy protests worldwide.

Best case there are a few hundred dedicated "occupiers" in the major cities. I'm not talking about the weekend crowd who come in from the 'burbs so they can claim took part in "the experience". I'd be shocked if the entire movement topped 10,000 truly dedicated followers world-wide.
 

spidey07

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They are not a political party! Quite the opposite, they are protesting the entire political process. OWS is the modern peaceful version of the peasants storming the palace with knives and pitch forks and demanding change or else. Instead of knives and pitch forks these peasants have cellphones and civil disobedience. With a single tweet any of them has the potential to create a flash crowd of thousands. There are now over 1,000 Occupy protests worldwide.

If you say they aren't a political party then why are the nazi party, the communist party and the USA socialist parties there in full force?
 

Jhhnn

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serious post.


I cannot understand what occupyDenmark is protesting, I simply don't get it, well ok I kinda get it since the only people protesting are the same old hippies from Christiania that will protest anything and everything. I just can't see anything legit to protest.

It's an expression of Solidarity more than anything else.
 

spidey07

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More goodies from those that support them...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mar...%981-accept-the-decisions-of-the-99%E2%80%99/

Marxist Prof. to Protesters: Violence Only Avoidable if ‘1% Accept the Decisions of the 99%’

Callinicos, a self-proclaimed Marxist, was apparently proud to share his message and his beliefs with his Occupy audience.

The professor has a deep history in touting communism. He wrote a book called “The Anti-Capitalist Manifesto” and he is the editor of “International Socialism.”

“I am a Marxist,” he declared boldly. He then continued on to answer one of the burning questions many want to know: Will the movement become violent?

His answer was less than comforting. The New York Post explains:

Asked if the upcoming revolution can be non-violent, he parroted the party line of the demonstrators, who call themselves the 99 percent of Americans lined up against the “1 percent’’ with power and money.

He said violence could be avoided only if the “1 percent accept the decisions of the 99 percent,’’ which he predicted would never happen. [Emphasis added]

So if this account is accurate, Callinicos certainly doesn’t seem to be advocating for peace and non-violence at all costs. His answer, rather than focusing on conditions and demands, leaves the door open for violent action.
 

Craig234

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If you say they aren't a political party then why are the nazi party, the communist party and the USA socialist parties there in full force?

What does the Nazi party being there in 'full force' mean? Two idiot drunk bikers who have swastikas showed up? Probably to try to discredit the movement that opposes them.

Communist and socialist parties? Because there can be overlapping goals in opposing the 1%. Everyone from a sane Republican to a communist can support OWS-type reform.

It's a bit like when Grover Norquist endorsed George Bush. He said Bush wasn't nearly as radical a right-winger as he wanted, but he could ally to move to the right a ways.
 

Jhhnn

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More goodies from those that support them...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mar...%981-accept-the-decisions-of-the-99%E2%80%99/

Marxist Prof. to Protesters: Violence Only Avoidable if ‘1% Accept the Decisions of the 99%’

The guy merely states the obvious. This is a democracy, and if the 99% want to change the rules & laws to better suit themselves than the 1%, we have the right and the power to do that in ways that satisfy the greater framework of the Constitution.

He didn't advocate violence, but rather pointed out how it can be avoided.

But he's a dirty Commie!

Boo-hoo. That's his right, so long as he doesn't advocate violence over democratic means.
 

spidey07

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The guy merely states the obvious. This is a democracy, and if the 99% want to change the rules & laws to better suit themselves than the 1%, we have the right and the power to do that in ways that satisfy the greater framework of the Constitution.

He didn't advocate violence, but rather pointed out how it can be avoided.

But he's a dirty Commie!

Boo-hoo. That's his right, so long as he doesn't advocate violence over democratic means.

And you're a democratic socialist, pretty close to a commie if not full on. You just realize communist has a bad connotation so you won't come right and claim you are one.
 

wuliheron

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If you say they aren't a political party then why are the nazi party, the communist party and the USA socialist parties there in full force?

The freaking Tea Party and republican party has had people there too, but the only survey I've seen shows 70% of the people there say they are independent voters.
 

wuliheron

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Best case there are a few hundred dedicated "occupiers" in the major cities. I'm not talking about the weekend crowd who come in from the 'burbs so they can claim took part in "the experience". I'd be shocked if the entire movement topped 10,000 truly dedicated followers world-wide.

There were 10,000 people who showed up to protest in Madrid alone and N.Y. has had a pretty steady 3,000. They say they are all copying the Arab Spring and exactly how many people were involved in those protests is anyone guess. This isn't some minor protest that will simply vanish with the cold weather. In N.Y. alone some 87% of the people support their right to protest and in the US in general they have more support then either political party. And that's the richest country in the world. The shit it hitting the fan and these people are making it clear countless others won't go quietly. I think you need to get your eyes checked and, if that doesn't help, get a brain scan.
 
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Craig234

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And you're a democratic socialist, pretty close to a commie if not full on. You just realize communist has a bad connotation so you won't come right and claim you are one.

Actually, you're more a communist than anyone here - you think you're in the poliburo so any corruption that benefits you is ok. Poverty of the people? Who cares!

Does communism oppose democracy? Well if it does - you do too!

The rules have only one rule - they have to help spidey get to be in the politburo elite getting more at the expense of others. No other pricinciples. Spidey the communist.

Communism has 'the people' being productive for the good of a corrupt elite.

Funny, that sounds like a lot like far-right capitalism, that has workers with less and less, fewer and fewer rights, being productive for the benefit of a corrupt elite.

Just as the 1% have taken 82% of all economic growth the last 30 years.

Yup, Spidey is the biggest communist here.
 

dwell

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N.Y. has had a pretty steady 3,000.

3,000 out of a city of 8M (0.04%)? Not to mention the metro area having 22M people (0.01%). Only 100 or so people are left "occupying" the park. I think you greatly overestimate the importance of your little movement.
 

Craig234

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3,000 out of a city of 8M (0.04%)? Not to mention the metro area having 22M people (0.01%). Only 100 or so people are left "occupying" the park. I think you greatly overestimate the importance of your little movement.

And I think you're an idiot. How many protestors were there in the "little" civil rights movement who camped out day and night?
 

Jhhnn

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And you're a democratic socialist, pretty close to a commie if not full on. You just realize communist has a bad connotation so you won't come right and claim you are one.

That's supposed to have content?

Well, other than trying to slide off the hook of what free speech and democracy are really all about?

I thought Righties were big on the whole marketplace of ideas thing. I guess that only applies when those ideas are backed by a big marketing campaign from Fox & Koch Enterprises, only when they express what your greedy & oh so self righteous little self wants to hear.

This isn't about creating the dictatorship of the proletariat, at all, but about heading off the dictatorship of the plutonomy.

Predators take the weakest & unluckiest prey first, but will take stronger & stronger individuals as predators increase, and will ultimately eat each other when it gets too far out of balance. Try to remember that you're not a really big fish at all, probably never will be, and that you'll be on the menu eventually.

That's only if the people and the system you worship so slavishly are allowed to proceed in the direction they wants to go...
 

Craig234

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Do you or do you not wish for FDR's 2nd "bill of rights"? You're on the wrong side of history.

That was one of the greatest positions taken by a US president, at the peak of his leadership. And it has nothing to do with the topic of the quote you listed.
 

wuliheron

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3,000 out of a city of 8M (0.04%)? Not to mention the metro area having 22M people (0.01%). Only 100 or so people are left "occupying" the park. I think you greatly overestimate the importance of your little movement.

I think you greatly underestimate just how much support they have, just how new all this is, and their potential. Camping out in major cities is just the first step towards getting the mass media attention they need and people are already planning major gatherings for the spring. Right now 3,000 campers on Wall Street is something the city can manage, but get 40,000 people there for even a day and they could shut down the stock market.
 

spidey07

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I think you greatly underestimate just how much support they have, just how new all this is, and their potential. Camping out in major cities is just the first step towards getting the mass media attention they need and people are already planning major gatherings for the spring. Right now 3,000 campers on Wall Street is something the city can manage, but get 40,000 people there for even a day and they could shut down the stock market.

New? This has been the Marxist calling card for over 100 years now. New? Really? You think this is new?
 

dwell

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I think you greatly underestimate just how much support they have, just how new all this is, and their potential. Camping out in major cities is just the first step towards getting the mass media attention they need and people are already planning major gatherings for the spring. Right now 3,000 campers on Wall Street is something the city can manage, but get 40,000 people there for even a day and they could shut down the stock market.

Zuccotti Park campers peaked at 150 - 200 and have since dwindled to around 100. You got a long way to go until 3,000. The numbers are dropping, not rising.
 

fskimospy

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Zuccotti Park campers peaked at 150 - 200 and have since dwindled to around 100. You got a long way to go until 3,000. The numbers are dropping, not rising.

The numbers aren't in the people there day and night, they are in the events that are generated. Occupy Times Square had 10-20,000 people there, and some estimates were higher.
 
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