The figurehead is Obama. This is the left, dems, unions, socialists, marxists, communists all rolled into one, this is the Obama voting block. These people aren't paid to think as is obvious by most of the interviews they are there to march and send a message(they are not sure what the message is).
The figurehead is Obama. This is the left, dems, unions, socialists, marxists, communists all rolled into one, this is the Obama voting block. These people aren't paid to think as is obvious by most of the interviews they are there to march and send a message(they are not sure what the message is).
its comical because you think there is some figurehead "in charge" of "letting unions co-sign" them. There is no hierarchy...why is that so hard to understand. Anyone claiming to be speaking on behalf of the movement is a shill with an agenda, or is misinformed or both. If Unions wanna join OWS so be it, nobody will tell them no. If commise wanna join so be it.....If marxist wanna join so be it......if teabaggers wanna join......so be it.......u get the point?
you haven't figured this out yet? Stop trying to understand it on a individual by individual basis and think about it at a macro level.
If anyone is hate mongering, it's those liberals on this board pushing their 99% vs 1%, mainstreet vs. Wall St. hatred. Rest of us just want to go on with our life, protecting money we make so we can give our kids better education and decent retirement for ourselves. (sure we are not in the 1%, but many fall in the $250k bracket with 2 income and works in the financials industries)
how can someone think about it on a MACRO level if people claim there is no one thing these people are protesting?
on a Macro level these protestors would have to have some unifying theme. So they ethier dont have a unifying them, or they are anti-captalists / communists. (since thats the macro label you can put on them)
As someone who has actually been there, there is a unifying theme that these big banks are hugely corrupt, parasitic institutions that are exerting undue influence on government. (which is basically 100% correct) Although I'm sure there are people that who are against capitalism, on the whole it is not a pro communism rally or an anti-capitalist rally. It's an anti-this kind of fucked up capitalism rally.
It amazed me how threatened some people were by what is a totally accepting and peaceful rally. The amount of rage that some of the passers by had was pretty hilarious.
Commissioner Ray Kelly had some strong words for Occupy Wall Street protesters Thursday, blaming participants for starting skirmishes which led to more than 20 arrests on Wednesday.
What they did is they counted. They actually had a countdown 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 they grouped together, they joined arms and they charged the police. They attacked the police. They wanted to get into Wall Street, they wanted to occupy Wall Street, Kelly told
But Brookfield Office Properties, which owns Zuccotti Park, seems to be slowly building a case against protesters, saying Thursday that the protestors are interfering with the use of the park by others and are creating sanitary problems.
Sanitation is a growing concern, Brookfield said in a statement. Normally the park is cleaned and inspected every weeknight. . . because the protestors refuse to cooperate. . .the park has not been cleaned since Friday, September 16th and as a result, sanitary conditions have reached unacceptable levels.
Peaceful my ass. This is the militant communist useful idiots started and fueled by SEIU, ACORN and Obama.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10...to-be-met-with-force-if-they-target-officers/
Dirty, dirty, dirty liberals...
NEW YORK For weeks, a cluster of computerized protesters have camped in a park near Wall Street, telling the world how they believe America's billionaires destroyed the economy.
"A ripple of shock went through our crowd," said Thorin Caristo, who helps lead Occupy Wall Street's web-based movement.
That evening, men and women gathered at computers near him "expressed their sadness; they stopped typing and reflected on life and his life."
Protesters say they link protest plans in various cities with the aid of computers, many made by Apple, the company founded by the high-tech pioneer who died at age 56.
In addition, Manhattan's Zuccotti Park, the protesters' round-the-clock encampment, is sprinkled with Apple iPhones, iPods and iPads sending messages around the globe.
Jobs' products are used to generate Wall Street billions, acknowledged Caristo. But there was no irony in mourning, or celebrating, this billionaire while opposing many others who are just as wealthy.
"They had a less positive impact on society than Jobs," Caristo said. He said this was despite the fact that Jobs was "among the 1%" of the country's population protesters keep citing as having accumulated 40% of the wealth.
At 7 p.m. Thursday, Caristo requested a moment of silence from the hundreds of protesters in Jobs' honor.
Earlier in the day, while President Barack Obama delivered a live, televised speech, "there was a lot more talk here about Steve Jobs," said Caristo, 37, a trained electrical engineer who runs an antiques shop in Plainfield, Conn.
Many of the high-tech rebels considered Jobs "a leader, a pioneer," said Caristo. "He made it easier for humans to communicate, and that's what we're doing, sharing our message."
Jobs was different from those on Wall Street who generate vast fortunes, he said.
"I dislike billionaires with a complete disregard for the future of the human race, to make money," he said, taking a deep puff from his cigarette as he sat on a stone park wall, with the sun setting over lower Manhattan.
There are billionaires and then, there was "this different, quiet billionaire," Caristo said. "He was a beneficial member of the human community."
Very true. All unions aren't the same though. The SEIU represents totally unskilled labor and openly advocates communism. Trade unions are at the other extreme, supporting their members' rights and privileges but also focusing on good training and delivering a superior product. Other unions like the UAW falls somewhere in the middle.Yeah very very risky strategy - mainstream people do not identify with hippies and unions are a pretty small voter base. Catering to those people has high change of turning off the moderate base.
The professional demonstrators are a perennial problem for the left as well as a useful tool. They can deliver numbers and noise to any left wing cause, which makes them useful. However any left wing protest, even with a good point, is rapidly taken over by the professional demonstrators, drowning out any valid points in the red noise of Marxism, anti-capitalism, anarchy, anti-corporations, which makes them a problem. Any intelligent people get lost in the idiocy of the rabble.From the little coverage I've read concerning the Occupy folks, I haven't been very impressed by their arguments. Moreover, it seems that their animus towards Wall St. is not informed by any serious policy grievances or specific misdeeds. Instead, it seems far more common for the involved parties to either speak of grand corporate conspiracies or attribute their personal misfortunes or shortcomings to corporations. Although the former is good for a chuckle and the latter tugs at the heart strings, neither serves as suitable foundation on which to base any serious policy.
As to the left generally, a full explication of their general aversion to free markets and the free enterprise system is probably not possible in the present setting. It might be more fruitful if I were to simply suggest that whereas the right places it faith in markets -- and invites government regulation and intervention only when there are clearly identifiable market failures -- the left places its faith in government to order economic activity and desires so as to guide the market. In effect, I would contend that the left automatically assumes, as a default position, that government administrators and regulators can achieve more optimal outcomes than the unfettered market.
Without commenting on the overall purpose of #OccupyWallstreet, I will say that things like this cause them to lose a lot of credibility.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/story/2011-10-07/protesters-appreciate-jobs/50687458/1
So says the insane person who wasn't there. I on the other hand am not mentally ill like you are, and I was actually there myself. The people at the park are actually exceptionally well behaved. By far the people behaving the worst are the conservative people who come by screaming at them. (I got some great pictures of some of the more unhinged ones yesterday)
You should make a pilgrimage, Spidey!
Those patriots are telling the hippies what real Americans think of them. Putting them in their place and telling them to get a fucking job and become an adult. If I was there I'd just jam some slayer and make them all go back to mom's basement.
Hahaha, oh spidey. Never change, and never medicate away your beautiful crazy.
This photo encapsulates things well. If you look in the back the guy has a sign that says 'our economy could be more fair'. The ham beast in the middle of the photo was standing there screaming "THE MASSES ARE ASSES" over and over again.
cherry picking idiots in a crowd is super easy. Why doesn't the media run stories on someone that know what they are talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQow0Fhua1A&feature=player_embedded
Hard to avoid cherry-picking when they all look like cherries.Yes, because interviewing one of the leaders of the movement is cherry-picking.
Yes, because interviewing one of the leaders of the movement is cherry-picking.
He was a beneficial member of the human community.
Protestors are being paid for by organizations like the "Workers Party"! Some kind of Union Backed Seiu Socailist Party group.
I just went back and read it, what did he say that was so offensive anyways?
I don't get the point of calling him out...
Hahaha, oh spidey. Never change, and never medicate away your beautiful crazy.
This photo encapsulates things well. If you look in the back the guy has a sign that says 'our economy could be more fair'. The ham beast in the middle of the photo was standing there screaming "THE MASSES ARE ASSES" over and over again.