Ocean's 11 lied. People DO get away with robberies in Vegas.

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Abel007

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Those chips are nothing more than clay with numbers printed on them. No way they will be able to track down and invalidate that many chips. Not possible. That $1.5M in chips is a free pass to gamble til your heart's desire. Not only does the Bellagio not have any way to track them, nor does any of the other casinos that would accept them at their tables which happens quite often in Vegas. The robber may not be able to trade them 1:1 for cash, but 1:1 for other casino's chips is where he'll see a return on his theft. $10k here, $20k there, nobody will ever flinch at someone having that much in chips. Especially from the Bellagio.
 

QueBert

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Those chips are nothing more than clay with numbers printed on them. No way they will be able to track down and invalidate that many chips. Not possible. That $1.5M in chips is a free pass to gamble til your heart's desire. Not only does the Bellagio not have any way to track them, nor does any of the other casinos that would accept them at their tables which happens quite often in Vegas. The robber may not be able to trade them 1:1 for cash, but 1:1 for other casino's chips is where he'll see a return on his theft. $10k here, $20k there, nobody will ever flinch at someone having that much in chips. Especially from the Bellagio.

yep 10k pops will take dude a damn long time to cash them in but it won't raise any eyebrows. Especially if has "friends" helping him so it's not always him cashing them in. Vegas has uber security but it's not like the shit in an episode of CSI. They can't invalidate all the chips, what if I had won 10k and didn't want to cash the chips in for a few weeks?
 

spidey07

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yep 10k pops will take dude a damn long time to cash them in but it won't raise any eyebrows. Especially if has "friends" helping him so it's not always him cashing them in. Vegas has uber security but it's not like the shit in an episode of CSI. They can't invalidate all the chips, what if I had won 10k and didn't want to cash the chips in for a few weeks?

You let them know when you won them, give them your player card just for added information, they pull the tapes, see that you won them, give you your money.
 

Abel007

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You let them know when you won them, give them your player card just for added information, they pull the tapes, see that you won them, give you your money.

There is a level of anonymity involved with gambling. What if I don't have a player's card? I can't remember when I won them as I was drunk off my ass? It is THEIR duty to prove I didn't win them, not my duty to prove I won them. Just sayin.
 

EagleKeeper

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Chips from other casinos are not accepted per Nevada gaming laws. They can also not be substituted as legal tender (ie. pay a bill or purchase anything). They can be used for gratutity.

Example: Boulder Station can not accept Texas Station chips or tickets.

If a chip gets mixed up (and it does happen), the casino will reject it if they see it or arrange a swap with the originating casino property. You are not supposed to even cross properties.

As other stated, the chips are marked and the casinos have plans for exchanging voided chips.

Because this may be the robber's second time he will have to work hard to keep his mouth shut
 

DrPizza

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Those chips are nothing more than clay with numbers printed on them. No way they will be able to track down and invalidate that many chips. Not possible. That $1.5M in chips is a free pass to gamble til your heart's desire. Not only does the Bellagio not have any way to track them, nor does any of the other casinos that would accept them at their tables which happens quite often in Vegas. The robber may not be able to trade them 1:1 for cash, but 1:1 for other casino's chips is where he'll see a return on his theft. $10k here, $20k there, nobody will ever flinch at someone having that much in chips. Especially from the Bellagio.

$10k here, $20k there at a time... you're not going to get to wear your motorcycle helmet while cashing them in, or trading them for other casino's chips. 1.55 mil is 155 10k's. Let's say you have 10 friends helping you, that's 15 or 16 10k's at a time.

You don't think that the casinos are going to be compiling pictures of everyone cashing in 5k or more in chips for the next couple of years? Their own internal investigation will find the guy. All they need to find is the people cashing in multiple quantities of chips. The smaller the amount at a time, the more times you're going to have to cash in. The larger amount at a time, the larger the red flag. "Hey, look at these pictures. This guy cashed in between $5k and $15k worth of chips 18 times. The chips were all from the Bellagio. We have no record of him playing there."

He may succeed in cashing in a few thousand, but as soon as he repeats it 2 or 3, or maybe it'll take 5 times, but they'll figure it out.
 

Raincity

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There is a level of anonymity involved with gambling. What if I don't have a player's card? I can't remember when I won them as I was drunk off my ass? It is THEIR duty to prove I didn't win them, not my duty to prove I won them. Just sayin.

Wrong, you better be ready to prove you’re the rightful holder if you want to see redemption on them. Even the whales know not to hold on to checks after a winning session.
 

EagleKeeper

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There is a level of anonymity involved with gambling. What if I don't have a player's card? I can't remember when I won them as I was drunk off my ass? It is THEIR duty to prove I didn't win them, not my duty to prove I won them. Just sayin.

When you take the chips off property, you are accepting the fact that they may not be redeemable.

The casino can void chips anytime and the state can also void chips.
A time frame can (does not have to) be established to redeem the chips at face value for chips that are off property.

As long as the casino will redeem the chips while you are on property, existing guests are fine.

The casino has the authority to bar anyone from entering it's property. Therefore a chip exchange is done based on the casino rules with the oversight of the state.
 

Koing

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I heard the cost for a set of retail clay chips was &#163;4k?

I'm
Sure the casinos get a fat discount though.

Koong
 

JulesMaximus

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Hell, maybe the thief works for the company that produces the chips for Bellagio!

So, you think it costs $10 to make a $10 chip, $20 to make a $20 chip, and $50 to make a $50 chip? It's still just a bunch of worthless plastic.
 

spidey07

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Looks like the chips were in the 10K and 25K denomination. Good luck trying to cash or color down those.
 

sygyzy

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Sorry I don't buy that it's that easy to replace ALL chips in a casino in 5 minutes like spidey07 suggests. What if I am a gambler and have $10k in chips at home and don't come back for 6 months. Then when I do, all the chips are different. I am a thief now? Sure it's one thing to change the chips for each pit but what about people walking out of the casino? What about people at dinner who have chips in their purses?
 

JulesMaximus

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Sorry I don't buy that it's that easy to replace ALL chips in a casino in 5 minutes like spidey07 suggests. What if I am a gambler and have $10k in chips at home and don't come back for 6 months. Then when I do, all the chips are different. I am a thief now? Sure it's one thing to change the chips for each pit but what about people walking out of the casino? What about people at dinner who have chips in their purses?

See post above yours...

<snip>Looks like the chips were in the 10K and 25K denomination. Good luck trying to cash or color down those. </snip>
 

QueBert

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So, you think it costs $10 to make a $10 chip, $20 to make a $20 chip, and $50 to make a $50 chip? It's still just a bunch of worthless plastic.

Good quality composite chips are expensive. I know a casino will get a huge discount because they order such a massive quantity. But if they're having to replace all the live chips with totally new ones it's still going to cost them a grip. I looked into getting custom made Vegas quality chips and it was over a buck a chip. Even if they get them for .10 each in bulk having to swap out the entire casino would be $$$$$.
 

Caecus Veritas

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why not go back to bellagio and gamble? Take 50k in cash, gamble for a weekend. Keep playing, exchanging (break bigger stolen chips into "real" chips), moving tables, and laundering those chips. You get 10 people involved, and you should be able to convert a lot of those chips into real money.... that of course depends on whether those chips are trackable or not...
 

Nebor

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Sorry I don't buy that it's that easy to replace ALL chips in a casino in 5 minutes like spidey07 suggests. What if I am a gambler and have $10k in chips at home and don't come back for 6 months. Then when I do, all the chips are different. I am a thief now? Sure it's one thing to change the chips for each pit but what about people walking out of the casino? What about people at dinner who have chips in their purses?

This has already been explained several times in this thread. When you take your chips home, the law says they may be worthless. The casino doesn't owe you a damn thing.

That's why the execute a change out of the chips, and it takes relatively little time to do so. It's all done under the supervision of the state gaming commission.
 

DrPizza

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why not go back to bellagio and gamble? Take 50k in cash, gamble for a weekend. Keep playing, exchanging (break bigger stolen chips into "real" chips), moving tables, and laundering those chips. You get 10 people involved, and you should be able to convert a lot of those chips into real money.... that of course depends on whether those chips are trackable or not...

You're going to move tables & you think the casino isn't paying attention to how much you purchased in chips, what you're spending, etc.??
 

sactoking

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When you take the chips off property, you are accepting the fact that they may not be redeemable.

The casino can void chips anytime and the state can also void chips.
A time frame can (does not have to) be established to redeem the chips at face value for chips that are off property.

Nevada Gaming Control Board Regulation 12.070(2)(a) requires that casinos who discontinue use of a certain style of chips or token "for any reason" must continue to accept those chips and tokens for 120 days from the date use was discontinued.

Raincity said:
Wrong, you better be ready to prove you’re the rightful holder if you want to see redemption on them.

Nope, NGCB Regulation 12.060(2)(c) forces a casino to "Promptly redeem its own chips and tokens from its patrons by cash or check drawn on an account of the licensee" unless "presented by a person who the licensee knows or reasonably should know is not a patron of its gaming establishment". The burden of proof is NOT on the gambler.

Common Courtesy said:
Chips from other casinos are not accepted per Nevada gaming laws. They can also not be substituted as legal tender (ie. pay a bill or purchase anything). They can be used for gratutity.

Example: Boulder Station can not accept Texas Station chips or tickets.

Not 100% true. You can't sit down at a table and actively play with off-property chips and tokens but if you go to the cashier or sit down at a table with off-property chips the casino can (and almost all will) change the off-property marks to their own with zero hassle.
 

darkxshade

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I wonder what casinos do with chips that have been retired... surely they don't keep em around and switch back to them down the road.
 

JulesMaximus

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Good quality composite chips are expensive. I know a casino will get a huge discount because they order such a massive quantity. But if they're having to replace all the live chips with totally new ones it's still going to cost them a grip. I looked into getting custom made Vegas quality chips and it was over a buck a chip. Even if they get them for .10 each in bulk having to swap out the entire casino would be $$$$$.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4542-casino-chips-to-carry-rfid-tags.html

The tags could also help casinos manage large-scale theft. If a large stash of chips goes missing after a table is overturned during an argument, for example casinos sometimes have to change their entire stock. This is unpopular with gamblers, since any chips that they have not cashed become worthless. RFID tags would allow the casinos to identify stolen chips without the expensive process of restocking.
 

HAL9000

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In oceans 11 they do get away with the robbery....? What did they lie about...?
 

spidey07

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well... if he gets away with it he'll have a nice home set?

He's not going to get away with it. Even if he never cashes the chips, he'll brag about them and somebody will talk.

This is a no win situation. Those chips are worthless.

"hey buddy, buy this 25K chip for 10K!"
"see! I've got these 25K chips, let's just sell them for 500 cash!"

Does anybody think there aren't countermeasures for this kind of thing? Seriously...I leave a table with 10K sitting there on the table in pumpkins in my spot to go take a piss. They are worthless.
 
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