Physx is supported by UE4 and is used in Witcher 3 so that's already more than mantle?
Uh, BF4 is one game and Witcher 3 is one game.
Physx cause it's already been used in UE3, is tied into UE4, and Witcher is using it. That's more games than Mantle already.
Nvidia falling behind? Their marketshare has only increased in the dGPU category since last year. http://www.tekrevue.com/2013/08/19/nvidia-takes-62-of-discrete-gpu-market-share-in-q2-2013/
DX11.1 features can be used through software. There is no hardware requirement.
AMD as a strong competitor will be good for consumers. But you can't blame NVidia for charging such prices, if people are willing to pay for it.
The Titan still sold like hotcakes despite it's ridiculous price.
A dead give away that geforce cards require more system resources, yes thats what you can take away from TPU's at the card power measurements
First of all, system resources is things like ram and hard drive space. But I'll assume you meant power draw or that part of your comment. Given that techpowerup runs different programs when reading power draw, and has different hardware than anandtech, what is your scientific analysis that gets you to that conclusion? And how accurate do you think it is given what I just said?
It doesn`t matter if Geforce cards require more of lets say CPU, TPU only measure GPU power draw.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Who here doesn't understand that
All I'm saying is it's a useless metric
No its the most accurate measurement.
You can`t have it any more accurate than that.
The whole point is showing how effective the GPUs have become, not have they deal with other system resources.
"Effective" at what? Using more cpu resources?
If you wanted to determine if you had enough PSU for your shiny new Titan, don't you think a system power measurement would be more useful than an at the card measurement?
Allright, I see what you are trying to do here. You are trying to twist facts here to say that the reason Anandtech and other reviews got higher system power consumption with 780 is because it use CPU more.
Well that is wrong, because if you browse through earlier reviews, where they used a different CPU, that measurement is copy/pasted in to new reviews with different hardware.
As for PSU requirements, sure, it is of course better to see the total system draw.
But as a comparison between two GPUs to see if they improved the architecture, to try to see how a bigger GPU would resonate, to see which is the most effective GPU, GPU power consumption is the most accurate one.
That is why I always go to Techpowerup to look that up and use the other reviews that test hardcore settings on games since Techpowerup usually just do medium settings.
I'm not twisting anything and no it's not a copy and paste, it's the exact same system and the same app thats tested
If offloading more work to the cpu represents architectural improvement to you then fine, I dont see it that way and thats why at the wall power measurements are much more representative
So you are saying Nvidia is beating AMD because they use the CPU more? Post proof that Kepler use the CPU more than GCN. And don`t post just CPU usage graphs, but information about the threads do offload tasks from the GPU.
You are full of BS because you know that GPU power consumption is far more representative to compare GPUs. And because Titan beat the crap out of 7970GHz while consuming same power.
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We're talking power consumption here, you brought it up in this thread remember? I said nothing about performance (so who's twisting things now)
You show numbers fro TPU that show lower at the card power usage measurements, I show at the wall power measurements that show higher numbers, what do you think cause the difference if its not higher CPU usage?
Yeah I`m done wasting energy on this. You don`t even understand the information posted on the various sites.
I will give you an example before I go:
TechPowerup:
GTX 780 Peak: 222W
Udteam:
GTX 780: 331W
Compare Anandtech and Techpowerup:
331W-222W = 109W
Where do you think that extra 109W come from? Its the same GPU, it can`t use more energy on CPU usage.
And udteam have higher power consumption than TPU on both geforce cards and AMD cards. One thing is that udteam Firestrike (udteam) might consume more power than Crysis 2 extreme (TPU), but not 109W. Its other hardware that cause this, like CPU...
Yeah I`m done with you. You don`t even understand the information posted on the various sites.
I will give you an example before I go:
TechPowerup:
GTX 780 Peak: 222W
Udteam:
GTX 780: 331W
Compare Anandtech and Techpowerup:
331W-222W = 109W
Where do you think that extra 109W come from? Its the same GPU, it can`t use more energy on CPU usage.
And udteam have higher power consumption than TPU on both geforce cards and AMD cards.
So you're still threadcrapping about old power consumption numbers of the 7970 and GTX Titan?
Looks like GPU is now experiencing the stagnation we get with CPUs. Someone with an OC 2500K or 2600K from Q1 2011 has really no reason to upgrade to anything in the past 2.5 years. GPU is starting to get that way. Got an original 7970 with a light OC from December 2011? Unless you're running more than 1080p, there's not much reason to upgrade to even 780/290X.
Looks like GPU is now experiencing the stagnation we get with CPUs. Someone with an OC 2500K or 2600K from Q1 2011 has really no reason to upgrade to anything in the past 2.5 years. GPU is starting to get that way. Got an original 7970 with a light OC from December 2011? Unless you're running more than 1080p, there's not much reason to upgrade to even 780/290X.
And then we have the super weak new consoles. The pathetic XB1 and the average PS4, which with their netbook CPU performance and strictly midrange GPUs will doom us to 5+ more years of stagnant ports.
The best part of all is that he keeps linking TPU's # for a reference 7970Ghz card, a card we all know was never sold in retail!