OCZ is developing junk

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Vertx plus is getting great reviews SINCE they just upgraded their firmware. 1 dollar a gig is great. OH AND BEFORE YOU SLAM OCZ, remember what happened to micron last year and the c300, they had their own firmware debacle. THESE THINGS HAPPEN!

The problem with the Vertex Plus is that it's so crappy that it typically dies before you have a chance at updating the firmware in the first place. Tons of drives are DOA and not recognized by motherboards when setting up OS installation, even if AHCI mode is enabled.

If you think receiving a drive this way or with these conditions is in any way, shape, or form acceptable you're hopeless. If OCZ's 3 series drives are comparable to what should be a Beta product, the Vertex Plus would classify as a pre-Alpha.

As far as Crucial/Micron goes, if you actually read you would've seen I responded to that. Their issue was experienced by WAY less users, not to mention it was only one big issue. With OCZ/SandForce we've seen their drive series have more than three big issues, and OCZ is harder to work with than Crucial when it comes to RMAs which also doesn't help. There's a reason why 93% of reviews on the C300 64GB and 89% of reviews on the C300 128GB on Newegg are four to five stars, while the Vertex 2 60GB it's 61% and the Vertex 2 120GB it's 56%.

There's many more issues with SandForce than Marvell in general, but since OCZ works so closely with SandForce and are their most important partners the blame should be placed on both OCZ and SandForce. If a new Marvell controller were to have serious issues then likewise for Crucial/Micron.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

you do realize that companies like western digital put out some serious junk hds in the early 90s right? go read their wikipedia page.

And your point is...? I'm the first one to point out that for example Seagate's Barracuda 7200.11/LP series was crap, but unlike OCZ they learned from their mistakes and launched a much more reliable 7200.12 series, which will now be replaced simply by the new Barracuda line (1TB/platter models).

Other manufacturers make mistakes and correct them in their next drives and make sure as much as they can it doesn't happen again. OCZ doesn't. They keep having significant issues series after series.

 

[=Wendy=]

Says someone that's barely made any posts here and contributes nothing to the forum overall.

That's rich coming from you. Reviewing your posts you can mostly only bash, be that companies or other members.

If that's what you call useful contribution to the forum, carry on, and stay in love with yourself.

I'll bid you, goodnight.

 

[xman34312]

ocz is just 2nd tier - they buy parts du jour and put them together. no way they are getting micron/intel's cherry picked MLC -> that's going to their intel 710 drives. then the good stuff to intel/micron consumer ssd's then the leftovers maybe to ocz? no doubt something like that happens since their return rate is so much higher than (intel/samsung/toshiba).

but that is why you can buy their product for cheaps - and we can't deny ocz is cheap.

this is a pretty naive quote. you do realize ocz just did 75 million this quarter in SSD revenue. looks to me ocz is 1st tier when it comes to ssd. how about reading about their ndurance technology or superscale controller on their z-drives, their cache drives, OCZ synapse which offers better performance than Intel SRT.

 

[xman34312]

And your point is...? I'm the first one to point out that for example Seagate's Barracuda 7200.11/LP series was crap, but unlike OCZ they learned from their mistakes and launched a much more reliable 7200.12 series, which will now be replaced simply by the new Barracuda line (1TB/platter models).

Other manufacturers make mistakes and correct them in their next drives and make sure as much as they can it doesn't happen again. OCZ doesn't. They keep having significant issues series after series.

my point is exactly the statement you made in the 2nd paragraph. The bsod issue has been resolved. Now that OCZ owns indilinx, they can issue fw updates much faster. Ten years from now, OCZ will be the new Western Digital.

 

[xman34312]

The problem with the Vertex Plus is that it's so crappy that it typically dies before you have a chance at updating the firmware in the first place. Tons of drives are DOA and not recognized by motherboards when setting up OS installation, even if AHCI mode is enabled.

If you think receiving a drive this way or with these conditions is in any way, shape, or form acceptable you're hopeless. If OCZ's 3 series drives are comparable to what should be a Beta product, the Vertex Plus would classify as a pre-Alpha.

As far as Crucial/Micron goes, if you actually read you would've seen I responded to that. Their issue was experienced by WAY less users, not to mention it was only one big issue. With OCZ/SandForce we've seen their drive series have more than three big issues, and OCZ is harder to work with than Crucial when it comes to RMAs which also doesn't help. There's a reason why 93% of reviews on the C300 64GB and 89% of reviews on the C300 128GB on Newegg are four to five stars, while the Vertex 2 60GB it's 61% and the Vertex 2 120GB it's 56%.

There's many more issues with SandForce than Marvell in general, but since OCZ works so closely with SandForce and are their most important partners the blame should be placed on both OCZ and SandForce. If a new Marvell controller were to have serious issues then likewise for Crucial/Micron.

You are overexaggerating. If you read the newegg reviews, people who were having problems, flashed their drives and corrupting data issues are now gone.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

my point is exactly the statement you made in the 2nd paragraph. The bsod issue has been resolved. Now that OCZ owns indilinx, they can issue fw updates much faster. Ten years from now, OCZ will be the new Western Digital.

But they don't. It's one thing to solve one out of the three issues your drive comes with by the way of firmware updates and it's another thing entirely to launch a drive with no issues to begin (Crucial m4) with or only one issue that affects a lot less people (Crucial C300).

And that's the problem with SandForce and OCZ. They don't do enough reliability testing and that's why all of their main SSD series (from version 1 to now 3) have had serious and fundamental issues at launch. They solve some of them using firmware updates, but the fact they never fix issues before launch means they're using consumers as monkeys for Beta testing. And they work closer with SandForce than any other manufacturer, so the blame falls just as much on them. In the case of their new Indilinx controller powered Vertex Plus series the problem is DOA drives and they not working to begin with, so you can't apply a firmware to fix issues it shouldn't have had in the first place.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

You are overexaggerating. If you read the newegg reviews, people who were having problems, flashed their drives and corrupting data issues are now gone.

We shouldn't have to flash our SSDs just to get them to work. It's simply unacceptable. I'm buying a product with the expectation that it'll work reasonably well out of the box, and that's clearly not the case for a lot of people.

And before you go crying about the C300, again: it affected a significantly lower amount of people, and it was only one issue. Same with Intel 320. The OCZ drives in question have had three or more big issues, and like I said previously getting RMAs with OCZ can be a PITA.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

That's rich coming from you. Reviewing your posts you can mostly only bash, be that companies or other members.

If that's what you call useful contribution to the forum, carry on, and stay in love with yourself.

I'll bid you, goodnight.

Riveting tale, chap. You barely spend time here; you're no one to judge anything.

Yeahhhh... I'm going to need you guys to stop quarreling.
-ViRGE

 

[groberts101]

making statements that "massive" or "most" of those OCZ drives had issues is just plain silly and shows how much you really know about this stuff. Then to top it all off you talk about Intel and C300 having only "1 single issue each"?

Well.. obviously you haven't followed the forums for those particular drives since they were released. Your ignorance seems to know no bounds.

quiz time... ever hear of the LPM hack? And do you know where it originated from?

go read a bit more and come back when you have a clue. Seriously need to do more research and get your facts straight before you come around here trying to act like you know so much. Because when you make staements like some of the previous ones in this thread?.. it clearly shows your true knowledge of these matters. lol

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

making statements that "massive" or "most" of those OCZ drives had issues is just plain silly and shows how much you really know about this stuff. Then to top it all off you talk about Intel and C300 having only "1 single issue each"?

Well.. obviously you haven't followed the forums for those particular drives since they were released. Your ignorance seems to know no bounds.

quiz time... ever hear of the LPM hack? And do you know where it originated from?

go read a bit more and come back when you have a clue. Seriously need to do more research and get your facts straight before you come around here trying to act like you know so much. Because when you make staements like some of the previous ones in this thread?.. it clearly shows your true knowledge of these matters. lol

I like how you mention my "lack of knowledge" yet don't bother to mention where it is or how it even exists in the first place.

Second, learn to read. I said they had one big issue, not one issue. Convenient to twist words around. For the Intel 320 it was the 8MB bug, which has already been solved and didn't affect that many drives. Likewise for the C300 and the BSOD issue, but again nowhere near the same amount of people were affected in comparison to the issue with SandForce. You see that in user reviews.

You can continue denying it all you want. As of now, SandForce has demonstrated significantly lower reliability than controllers from Intel and Marvell.

 

[beginner99]

Such a drive would be nice for installing games. Faster load times, rather cheap and not much harm done if the drive actually fails.

 

[zlejedi]

Misleading title I though they are making some new Sand Force drives

1k writes would make it a great game drive if the price is low enough. games mostly go on it and don't move. fine by me.

would also be ok for swap files.

as always, automatic backup to a rotating disk is a good idea.

True - if i could get 512 GB ssd for 100$ with 1000 writes per cell , bad write speed and good read speed I'd buy it as gaming drive instantly.

 

[reynoldsjrmy]

Riveting tale, chap. You barely spend time here; you're no one to judge anything.

Chap? No sir.

Please be nice to Ladies - we get far too few of them around places like this...

... and by the way this particular Lady is in a far better position to judge than you could imagine; perhaps I should point you in the direction of some of her SSD/technology reviews over at myce.com (where Wendy is known as Dee)

Regds, JR

 

[Voo]

Riveting tale, chap. You barely spend time here; you're no one to judge anything.

I think if we asked the general community here who made more useful posts you or Wendy, the result would be well pretty obvious and you wouldn't like it.

 

[groberts101]

I like how you mention my "lack of knowledge" yet don't bother to mention where it is or how it even exists in the first place.

LOL.. why would I need to do that? Just posting the stuff you do and in the combative and overly judgemental manner that you are growing famous for these days is enough. I don't need to tighten that noose as your getting pretty good at doing it all by your lonesome.

On the other hand.. I am actually a pretty patient and giving sort of guy and would be more than happy to try and teach you the error of your ways.. but it's a bit too tough and time consuming to teach someone who already has it all figured out from reading newegg reviews. The cup is already full.. sort of thing, I guess. :|

Your loss in the end as there are some very valid points around this place at times..both good and bad. I think you might have even had a couple yourself so far. Well.. at least one anyways. :awe:

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I think if we asked the general community here who made more useful posts you or Wendy, the result would be well pretty obvious and you wouldn't like it.

Obviously. Replying with personal attacks and taking cover while not making any counterarguments is surely "useful".

LOL.. why would I need to do that? Just posting the stuff you do and in the combative and overly judgemental manner that you are growing famous for these days is enough. I don't need to tighten that noose as your getting pretty good at doing it all by your lonesome.

On the other hand.. I am actually a pretty patient and giving sort of guy and would be more than happy to try and teach you the error of your ways.. but it's a bit too tough and time consuming to teach someone who already has it all figured out from reading newegg reviews. The cup is already full.. sort of thing, I guess. :|

Your loss in the end as there are some very valid points around this place at times..both good and bad. I think you might have even had a couple yourself so far. Well.. at least one anyways. :awe:

I already gave you full examples for my arguments. Your turn. Saying the issues Marvell or Intel have had are anywhere near as serious those SandForce/OCZ has is disingenous. Look at the reviews and see which drives with which controllers are generally rated much higher and held to much higher regard. And compare the issues and the number of them people are having. Again, if the problems with the C300 were anywhere near as those for the Vertex 2 we wouldn't be seeing 93% of people rating it "excellent, or 4 to 5 stars".

 

[groberts101]

Obviously. Replying with persona attacks and taking cover while not making any counterarguments

says the king :whiste:

plus,.. would you argue with someone like you? Dunno why.. as it would just be a waste of "yourselve's" time just like it has been ours.

 

[Edrick]

Obviously. Replying with persona attacks and taking cover while not making any counterarguments

Pot....kettle.....black

There is a right way to express your "opinion" and a wrong way. Which path do you think you have taken in this thread, which has gone to sh!t now?

Granted I agree with your "opinion" of OCZ as stated in my post, but that again is just my opinion and I am not going to start personal attacks on people over it. Just say what you have to say and move on. You are not going to change other people's opinions using such tactics.

 

[tweakboy]

Its a Sandforce problem. I think the SSD OCZ puts out is quality, They just need firmware and what not...

 

[tweakboy]

We still dont know the life expetancy of a SSD because their only couple years on market.

I hear peoples SSD go bad a lot, and its not only OCZ... soo,, I dont know, SSD doesnt seem reliable right now... or have a backup image always ready , just in case it dies.

 

[AdamK47]

I think a certain someone is actually enjoying going back and forth in this thread. This thread is going to last in perpetuity at this rate. Full of useless... whatever this is. I'd like to see an actual serious thread about what OCZ is developing.

 

[nanaki333]

i do like the fact that ocz is always on the top with ssd tech. they're constantly releasing new drives left and right. but that is also part of their problem. they don't thoroughly test them and we're the ones that suffer potential data loss because of firmware bugs.

 

[ed29a]

Give me a 100 write cycle SSD for dirt cheap and I'll be very happy! Would make a great target for backups, I have a boatload of music/pictures that are never written but read a lot. Also, for very quiet or low powered think client PCs it would be good too.

Anecdote += 1;
Have a 60 gig OCZ Vertex 2, had one minor hiccup so far. Been using it for a year without issues.

 

[E6700]

ocz drives may be crappy but i like their technical support,unlike gskill they have a garbage ssd support forums.