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MrSquished

Lifer
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Nothing in that post was aimed at you. Not a single word.
So please let us know what the baseless attacks are and what are the legitimate ones, because you did not specify, you made a total broad statement of all baseless attacks.

So you think the attacks on Biden for his viability as a candidate are correct?
 

dank69

Lifer
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What Democrats are criticizing his record besides on Israel and some other things by the far far left? The majority of Democrats asking him to step down have applauded his policy positions and accomplishments.

This is completely made up. The criticism of why Biden should drop out of the race has nothing to do with his policy. Let's keep this on subject.
I wasn't talking about current criticisms you fucking jackass. I was talking about criticisms from "independents" like he's weak on the border or inflation or Afghanistan. Seriously, fuck off.
 
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K1052

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This has been brutal. No one has a clear plan on steps forward. All these D names being thrown around and none of them want it. I dont think Josh Shapiro is gonna step down from his PA Gov spot.
he just got here and is doing a great job though.

Decision makers in the D leadership say Harris and Biden's reeling delegates are saying the same. In all probability she secures the nomination.

Shapiro doesn't have to resign to run for either office. The only question is if he thinks it would taint his chances in 28.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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I wasn't talking about current criticisms you fucking jackass. I was talking about criticisms from "independents" like he's weak on the border or inflation or Afghanistan. Seriously, fuck off.
Well feel free to be more detailed. I'm not a mind reader, and we knew where you stood on any criticism about Biden's viability as a candidate from within the party just a short time ago, you were shitting on us with great enthusiasm.
 

dank69

Lifer
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Well feel free to be more detailed. I'm not a mind reader, and we knew where you stood on any criticism about Biden's viability as a candidate from within the party just a short time ago, you were shitting on us.
It's simple. Don't assume everything is about you.
 

JD50

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What Democrats are criticizing his record besides on Israel and some other things by the far far left? The majority of Democrats asking him to step down have applauded his policy positions and accomplishments.

This is completely made up. The criticism of why Biden should drop out of the race has nothing to do with his policy. Let's keep this on subject.
I'm talking about the baseless criticism of Biden being incoherent and unable to function for the past 4 years. That was clearly baseless up until recently.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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It's simple. Don't assume everything is about you.
It's not that simple, I'm by far from being a lone ranger in calling out Biden's viability and competency as a candidate, and you were shitting on ANYONE who thought that way, and haven't really specified anything different since. I just represent a position of many people. So this is in no way just about me.

If asking you to be more specific vs giant broad statements really hurts your feelings, maybe you should take a step back and just solve senility with ritalin brother. I'll take a 10% profit cut, thanks.
 

FelixDeCat

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Jeffries is a New Yorker.. good guy, not corrupt but I doubt he can save us from Trump.

We need a guy with whiter skin for PA, MI, VA and WI!
I think voters just want young, lucid and competent...like Vance.

Jeffries could come out strong on the border and crime.
 
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dank69

Lifer
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It's not that simple, I'm by far from being a lone ranger in calling out Biden's viability and competency as a candidate, and you were shitting on ANYONE who thought that way, and haven't really specified anything different since. I just represent a position of many people. So this is in no way just about me.

If asking you to be more specific vs giant broad statements really hurts your feelings, maybe you should take a step back and just solve senility with ritalin brother. I'll take a 10% profit cut, thanks.
Your first clue that it had nothing to do with you was "4 years of baseless attacks."
 

fskimospy

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I think voters just want young, lucid and competent...like Vance.

Jeffries could come out strong on the border and crime.
I think Vance was likely a mistake, at least in an electoral sense. Democrats are going to hang his ‘national abortion ban’ and ‘women should stay with men who beat the shit out of them’ around his and Trump’s neck.

Also more lucidity is not going to help republicans. Trump is struggling with pretty severe dementia and is so incoherent that it’s hard to pin him down on policy issues. Expressing what they actually want to do clearly is a terrible political idea because voters generally hate their policies.
 
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fskimospy

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Looks like he'll drop out this weekend. I'm guessing they gave him the message that if he needed a doctor to advise him, they could arrange that. I'm just glad it didn't get to the Trump level of persuasion. We don't need any more assassinations.

Are you claiming that the Republican Party tried to assassinate Trump?

On one level it makes sense as the assassin was a Republican but I haven’t seen any evidence that his motive was political.
 

dank69

Lifer
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I think Vance was likely a mistake, at least in an electoral sense. Democrats are going to hang his ‘national abortion ban’ and ‘women should stay with men who beat the shit out of them’ around his and Trump’s neck.

Also more lucidity is not going to help republicans. Trump is struggling with pretty severe dementia and is so incoherent that it’s hard to pin him down on policy issues. Expressing what they actually want to do clearly is a terrible political idea because voters generally hate their policies.
Plus Vance calling Trump Hitler should play pretty well for Democrats. Vance was 100% a blunder.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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Covid, again, changes things a bit and it may be Biden understands this more than anyone. This is his opportunity for a honorable step to the side. No one on earth would begrudge an 81year old for hanging up the job after catching a debilitating disease (again).

He should announce that the health event he left room for has pretty much happened, that getting healthy and helping the next generation of Dems to heal, build and protect America is what is next for him, rather than a second term. And as a result of this move, every single Dem should show Joe their support for his appropriate use of discretion regarding his health and duty, immediately endorse his SCOTUS plan. Let the Dems do their convention and work it out.

America needs a Dem controlled government if there is to be any hope of repairing the current SCROTUS cesspool turned dumpster fire.
 
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I think Vance was likely a mistake, at least in an electoral sense. Democrats are going to hang his ‘national abortion ban’ and ‘women should stay with men who beat the shit out of them’ around his and Trump’s neck.

Also more lucidity is not going to help republicans. Trump is struggling with pretty severe dementia and is so incoherent that it’s hard to pin him down on policy issues. Expressing what they actually want to do clearly is a terrible political idea because voters generally hate their policies.

Heh. One of the things I read about Vance was "He was intentionally picked to better verbalize the Presidents strategies".
 
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HomerJS

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God help us all I hope it doesn't turn out to be a huge mistake. I never liked that Kamala was tapped as VP even back in 2020, but now that decision looks even worse. Democrats cannot afford any missteps and that is a big ask of a wildly incoherent group.
I’ve never been the biggest Harris fan but to judge a VP you need to compare to other recent VPs. What makes her so much worse than Mike Pence?

I will say Harris is very good at prosecuting a case. Remember the job she did against Bill Barr? Had him completely flustered. I’m sure she can clearly articulate the Democratic message.
 

fskimospy

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Heh. One of the things I read about Vance was "He was intentionally picked to better verbalize the Presidents strategies".
lol. Whoever made that decision should be fired immediately. It’s the same reason Project 2025 was such a big mistake. You keep that shit secret!
 
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brycejones

Lifer
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This has been brutal. No one has a clear plan on steps forward. All these D names being thrown around and none of them want it. I dont think Josh Shapiro is gonna step down from his PA Gov spot.
he just got here and is doing a great job though.

Plus even though he checks off the white male boxes, he's a Jew which wont sit well with a bunch of christian fundies..

a Black woman and a jew?
Let’s be blunt. Christian fundies wouldn’t vote for Jesus if he was running as Democrat. (Too woke, he’s a socialist, radical leftist who wants to take all your money)
 

RY62

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Are you claiming that the Republican Party tried to assassinate Trump?

On one level it makes sense as the assassin was a Republican but I haven’t seen any evidence that his motive was political.
Not claiming that it was either party. My level of conspiracy theorist crazy runs deep enough to believe that the parties aren't really separate entities. They exist with the sole purpose of keeping folks like you and me fighting with each other and believing we actually have a voice in the big picture. Powers higher than elected officials in either party are making the decisions. At least, any decisions that really matter to them.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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I’ve never been the biggest Harris fan but to judge a VP you need to compare to other recent VPs. What makes her so much worse than Mike Pence?

I will say Harris is very good at prosecuting a case. Remember the job she did against Bill Barr? Had him completely flustered. I’m sure she can clearly articulate the Democratic message.
I have no doubt she could campaign well.

I was turned off by her during the primaries because instead of promoting policies during her debate she instead focused mostly on attacking Biden. I thought it was a really bad look, showcasing bad priorities and poor character, and an inability to read the room. However, campaigning against Trump requires that tenacity, so hopefully she puts it to good use.

I don't think I said anything about her being worse than Pence, and I'd never even start to think that.
 
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fskimospy

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Not claiming that it was either party. My level of conspiracy theorist crazy runs deep enough to believe that the parties aren't really separate entities. They exist with the sole purpose of keeping folks like you and me fighting with each other and believing we actually have a voice in the big picture. Powers higher than elected officials in either party are making the decisions. At least, any decisions that really matter to them.
So to be clear, these higher powers were okay with Trump being president for four years but now want to assassinate him? Why?
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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I have no doubt she could campaign well.

I was turned off by her during the primaries because instead of promoting policies during her debate she instead focused mostly on attacking Biden. I thought it was a really bad look, showcasing bad priorities and poor character, and an inability to read the room. However, campaigning against Trump requires that tenaciousness, so hopefully she puts it to good use.

I don't think said anything about her being worse than Pence, and I'd never even start to think that.
I've mentioned before Kamala tends to easily lose her cool and when she does her voice changes and it sounds like a wife yelling at her husband...just like all women sound...and it's a voice NOBODY likes to hear.

If she takes the reigns expect Trump to make that voice come out. Hillary had the same voice.

She will lose.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Trump was the greatest gift to Democrats in 2024, and then Vance was another small favor to the Dems as well. Pretty happy with that. But it means we absolutely have to win as that shows the Trump party is all in on Project 2025.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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I've mentioned before Kamala tends to easily lose her cool and when she does her voice changes and it sounds like a wife yelling at her husband...just like all women sound...and it's a voice NOBODY likes to hear.

If she takes the reigns expect Trump to make that voice come out. Hillary had the same voice.

She will lose.
Folks - behold a perfect specimen of a Trump party caveman. You should be in a fucking museum, you're a fossil.
 
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