This is all becoming so incredibly bonkers. I mean they are so in denial of reality of what has been happening - they have brought this all upon themselves. And they gaslit much of the Dem party for months. This complete disconnect of reality and only considering their own feelings and ego vs what's good for the country, was definitely not on my 2024 bingo card.Reading a lot of complaints and anger from inside the Biden core advisors that he was not provided a more dignified way to drop out of the race. Which ignores reality that he got told privately in explicit terms some time ago by the three most important leaders in the party not named Barack Obama that their members had lost confidence he could win and that he should withdraw. Most of the party has withheld fire so far. Things do not get more dignified from here if he choses to drag things out.
Exactly - the minute they say anything other than 'Biden is in and will win' that would be taken as an implicit withdrawal and that's not how you want to do it.
If the goal is to avoid more damage to your legacy and embarrassment then I would suggest dropping out before Obama goes on TV and says you should withdraw. Because ultimately that's where this is headed if all else fails.
Yeah that's actually not true. The D leaders and Obama are lined up behind Harris but they can't really say that out loud until Biden agrees to exit. Even Biden's plan is Harris at this point.
The only thing in question are the exact mechanics of how it goes down.
lol no they will not.Obama does that and that's the end of the democratic coalition.
Those very same guys that vote Biden will run to crown Emperor Trump because they've had it with the washington establishment trying to bury their guy!
lol no they will not.
I most certainly know liberals with guns. If I told them I thought if they couldn’t vote for Biden they would vote for Trump they would laugh in my face.You don't know liberals with guns then. I do.
I most certainly know liberals with guns. If I told them I thought if they couldn’t vote for Biden they would vote for Trump they would laugh in my face.
Definitely don't think Obama would be the best choice either based on this as well. @K1052 made me aware of their beef and it's bad. And then I saw a statement about Obama last week from a Biden person, and they totally shit on him and even his presidency.For reference, Obama and Biden aren't really BFFs anyway. There are some long running ... tensions there and I wouldn't assume any pressure from the Obama faction would necessarily be well received. Might actually make Biden more stubborn.
Are you calling AOC a liar? I'd trust her over Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and like 334 million Americans.
They just released this today.At this point I hope Pelosi just goes to Delaware and starts punching people - start with Jill and Hunter, and then his entire inner circle. Bring Paul with a hammer too, he can get some licks in.
I know this guy has to say what he is saying, but just besides that. They all need a good smacking.
They are doubling down on it and apparently nobody can sway JB.Different people can have different opinions. The fact remains that Biden has lost the confidence of much if not most of his own party and the entirely of the leadership. This is not a tenable position for him.
You don't know liberals with guns then. I do. And there's a ton of them in NY, CT, PA, NJ, VT, MA, ME, NH, RI, MD, DE.
As Steve Schmidt once put to John McCain.. "That's the base, you can't win without the base".
No one can steal it from him.He has the votes. Stop trying to steal it from him!
The optics are much worse than an "old frail Joe Biden".
I think the interests of Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and others, is not really about their own interests being at risk - it's 99% worried about the fate of this country in November. Unless you mean that is their own interests.Seems like a sense of betrayal coupled with a sense of inevitability about what needs to happen.
He was offered numerous graceful exists and refused. I guess he just assumed his "friends" would not escalate which is a very poor judgement in this case. This is just what happens next because it's politics and everybody is going to look after their own interests. Once people like Obama, Pelosi, and Schumer think that their achievements are truly being put at risk they will sink you without hesitation. Because that's how it works.
It is unorthodox, but we live in interesting times.The only thing I blame Biden for was agreeing to the debate.
Trump never showed up for a debate and won. Biden shoulda done the same!
Huh?Obama does that and that's the end of the democratic coalition.
Those very same guys that vote Biden will run to crown Emperor Trump because they've had it with the washington establishment trying to bury their guy!