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MrSquished

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Just voted for 70% chance of stepping down. I think there are enough people in the Dem party starting to see reality that there is a good chance the delusional folks will be overruled. I think that will just increase exponentially this week.
 

gothuevos

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Who could believe that the one who's been forecasting Biden's inevitable doom for I-don't-even-know-how-long doesn't see Biden bouncing back? This turn of events is wildly and totally precedented.

Who are you, again?

I sounded the alarm months ago that Biden's floor would only deteriorate as 2024 progressed. That his age was a major concern. That most Dems didn't even want him to run. His swing state polls (released internally even before the debate) were already concerning.

I didn't expect him to deteriorate this fast. His family needs to step in. The calls to step down are becoming deafening now.
 

manly

Lifer
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Who are you, again?

I sounded the alarm months ago that Biden's floor would only deteriorate as 2024 progressed. That his age was a major concern. That most Dems didn't even want him to run. His swing state polls (released internally even before the debate) were already concerning.

I didn't expect him to deteriorate this fast. His family needs to step in. The calls to step down are becoming deafening now.
You're full of shit, though. That didn't happen until Biden's awful debate.

The race was about as close as it has been in 2024 a week ago. You made your prediction months ago, and week after week, it DIDN'T HAPPEN.

But nice of you to repeatedly claim "I told you so" when your track record around here is about 0.1% correct.
 
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nakedfrog

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Who are you, again?
I don't understand the question.
I sounded the alarm months ago that Biden's floor would only deteriorate as 2024 progressed. That his age was a major concern. That most Dems didn't even want him to run. His swing state polls (released internally even before the debate) were already concerning.

I didn't expect him to deteriorate this fast. His family needs to step in. The calls to step down are becoming deafening now.
You decided months ago that he'd already lost, and have continued to shout loudly and endlessly about his impending doom. Thus it is no surprise to anyone that you don't think he'll bounce back, what with him already having been doomed for lo these many months.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Just voted for 70% chance of stepping down. I think there are enough people in the Dem party starting to see reality that there is a good chance the delusional folks will be overruled. I think that will just increase exponentially this week.

- I think the continued lack of unscripted Biden publicity is going to push this further and further in that direction.

It would be one thing if Biden had a bad night but then did the talk show/news circuit and showed that it really was a bad night. But the campaign further insulating him from unscripted appearances isn't going to do the whole thing any favors.

Big money donors are going to want to make sure they're not throwing their money away.
 

Moonbeam

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Amazing response to various points I made. You are a lost cause. It's sad to see but not unexpected. There are morons in the Democratic ranks for sure.

'I'm a Bernie bro' lol

I was the farthest thing from a Bernie Bro in 2016 and voted for Hilary and supported her from the moment she was the candidate through the general. But when you are a mini-cultist, you must resort to ignoring the substance of a statement, and just saying random three word nonsensical statements. Keep going. Keep proving me right.
It was mini cultism that supported Hillary when it became obvious she lacked the psychological sophistication to counter Trumps mastery of manipulation. There were plenty of voices warning about it back then but nobody listened. Democrats have a death wish thinking people care about statistics and reason. All they care about is denying how much they hate themselves and looking for someone else on whom to redirect all that self hate. Democrats, like everybody else create what they fear and what they fear is being thought of as stupid. So I'll just say it. You're stupid. Of course only an other idiot like me would try to talk sense to you.
 

MrSquished

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- I think the continued lack of unscripted Biden publicity is going to push this further and further in that direction.

It would be one thing if Biden had a bad night but then did the talk show/news circuit and showed that it really was a bad night. But the campaign further insulating him from unscripted appearances isn't going to do the whole thing any favors.

Big money donors are going to want to make sure they're not throwing their money away.

Exactly. What I've read so far is big donors are feeling duped and pissed as well. Where is Biden is the right question to be asking.
 

Moonbeam

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Now that Democracy is under real and all too obvious threat we get to see how the nation reacts. Looks like so far it's 'roll over and play dead'. I guess what is obvious isn't really obvious at all. If only the German's had awakened in time what a different world this would be. But how can we awaken when we do not know that we sleep when we don't know why we sleep, and don't want to know we don't want to know. Everything that is happening has to happen exactly as it must happen as a result. We are the world and we are insane. The world is a mirror.
 

Pens1566

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You're full of shit, though. That didn't happen until Biden's awful debate.

The race was about as close as it has been in 2024 a week ago. You made your prediction months ago, and week after week, it DIDN'T HAPPEN.

But nice of you to repeatedly claim "I told you so" when your track record around here is about 0.1% correct.

Yes. The much cited CNN poll has the exact same results as it did in ... wait for it ... almost there ... the last time it was run ... in APRIL.
 

Pens1566

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It's going to be a few more days before we know somewhat definitively if/how much the debate damaged him. The crisis of faith inside the party is another matter entirely but just as threatening to his continued candidacy.

The lack of party support is a bigger concern/worry TBH.
 

K1052

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The lack of party support is a bigger concern/worry TBH.

At this point probably and not just with the people near the top or in positions of power. Even if his head to heads with Trump have not budged a whole lot there is clear erosion inside the Dem voter base itself.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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Not going to cut it.

Depends. Sounds like it's already been held and I doubt they'd go forward if it wasn't a complete reversal (like the SOTU, etc.) if it wasn't.

But some still won't be satisfied unless he looks like '04 at the convention Obama, so ...
 

K1052

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Depends. Sounds like it's already been held and I doubt they'd go forward if it wasn't a complete reversal (like the SOTU, etc.) if it wasn't.

But some still won't be satisfied unless he looks like '04 at the convention Obama, so ...

Well his people and family let him go on that debate stage so the idea that he's being advised well at this point seems a little too generous.
 

MrSquished

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Depends. Sounds like it's already been held and I doubt they'd go forward if it wasn't a complete reversal (like the SOTU, etc.) if it wasn't.

But some still won't be satisfied unless he looks like '04 at the convention Obama, so ...
Oh quit it already. You keep obfuscating. If Biden looked competent at the debate he'd be fine. We'd be rolling with an 80+ year old Biden to November. He failed miserably. We don't need '04 Obama that's just nonsense you are making up in your head to continue to be in the Biden mini-cult.

But the concerns about his mental acuity, and him being very coddled and hidden from anything but scripted situations, and has looked bad answering some of the few questions that were allowed, that was all part of the debate around his mental fitness already, and the debate just proved all the concerns correct - he does not have the mental acuity to run this campaign and be president.

It's time to move the party forward. Joe was the right man at the right time in 2020, I've said that many times before and will always say it. His administration has done well considering the situation it has been in. But like so many top performers in anything from sports, to politics, to business - Biden did not know how to bow out gracefully. He went back on his promise to be a one term bridge president, his ego got the best of him, and we got gaslit with a gamble by the Biden team. It's sad that he will be remembered for this, but he decided to go out ungracefully. The signs were all there - many of us called it.

Let's win this election, and we ain't doing it with someone that does not have the mental capacity to do so.
 

spacejamz

Lifer
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And he's doing a 1 on 1 interview with Stephanopoulos to be aired Friday/Sunday.

He's not getting out.

The only way to reassure everyone is to do a live interview where he takes random questions from reporters (including some who would ask difficult questions)...This is would be reasonable request to demonstrate his ability. The likelihood of this happening is probably nil though which speaks volumes to the American people (who aren't cultists).

A scripted interview (or one that can be edited before being aired) isn't going to fool anyone....
 

Moonbeam

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Democrats should nominate Daffy Duck with The Joker as VP. We had one that couldn’t walk and now one who can’t talk. Time for one that can quack.
 

K1052

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So a few things to consider:

1) This was supposed to energize the Biden campaign and hopefully help narrow the polling. By that metric alone if these numbers are representative then the strategy failed. That they are losing by the same amount is truly not a great argument.

2) The performance has nuked Dem party confidence. Including donors, elected officials, and the punditry. He's dangerously close to being underwater with his own voters as well in terms of thinking if he should be running. This is a bad place to be.

3) This news cycle is going to be fucking impossible to extinguish like trying to douse a burning Tesla with a bucket of water.

4) The prospect of further performance issues from the candidate.
 
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