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repoman0

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In a way, Biden is right. Concerns about his age have been present from the very start. There was a very appropriate time to challenge him on that, or have a more public conversation - before all the primaries were held. Publicly shitting the bed about your own party months before the election is not helpful. Yes, the media environment is unfair, but the party elites don't have to constantly drive it with inside gossip.
It has nothing to do with the party elites. They are just listening to the voters via polls, letters, phone calls, focus groups etc. The voters don’t want Biden. We got new information after the fake coronation primary was already held.
 
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It has nothing to do with the party elites. They are just listening to the voters via polls, letters, phone calls, focus groups etc. The voters don’t want Biden. We got new information after the fake coronation primary was already held.
The primary was open to whoever would want to run. No one was stopping candidates from signing up.

I find it rather incredulous that people in the party "didn't know" about Biden and the age issue. His age has been a prominent issue for a long time, and his gaffs have been an issue since time immemorial.

And new information and wanting to change the ticket is fine too. The issue there is the loud contingent that wants to skip completely over the VP and pick the magical candidate that will somehow guarantee a win (even though nothing in elections is guaranteed, and each person asked seems to have some different magical candidate in mind thanks to the different factions that make up the party).
 
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Zorba

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Post #4. some will vote for Trump instead!

That's where I stopped paying attention.

Um, that's how elections work. People will either not vote (horrible for Dems) or will pick a team even if they normally don't like that team. Biden has to give people a reason to vote FOR him if he wants any shot to win.

Because of the EC, the religious loyalty of the base, and that fear with simple solutions sells to simple minds Republicans are the default in this country. You can be pissed off about it, but it is the reality, Democrats have to go out and fight like hell to win and if they don't Republicans win pretty much regardless of what they do.
 
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Zorba

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They don’t even realize they are doing it at this point…or do they?
Again, post anything off script Biden has done since the debate that makes it look like he is capable of running a presidential campaign (while also being president).
 

Zorba

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In a way, Biden is right. Concerns about his age have been present from the very start. There was a very appropriate time to challenge him on that, or have a more public conversation - before all the primaries were held. Publicly shitting the bed about your own party months before the election is not helpful. Yes, the media environment is unfair, but the party elites don't have to constantly drive it with inside gossip.
Well if he had done a primary debate a year ago maybe this conversation could've been had back then. People didn't know he had declined this much. This is right up there with the supreme Court saying people can vote to end gerrymandering.
 
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Well if he had done a primary debate a year ago maybe this conversation could've been had back then. People didn't know he had declined this much. This is right up there with the supreme Court saying people can vote to end gerrymandering.
A primary debate against 2 relative nobodies? It's not like "real" candidates were flocking to the scene. If they're congresspeople and other relatively important people in the party, they should have some level of access to the president.
 
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fskimospy

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Well if he had done a primary debate a year ago maybe this conversation could've been had back then. People didn't know he had declined this much. This is right up there with the supreme Court saying people can vote to end gerrymandering.
This is wrong. The reason why people can’t vote to end gerrymandering is because the legislature thwarts them when they do.

The primaries were open for literally anyone who wanted to run in them. Nobody thwarted an otherwise meritorious run, people chose not to run because they knew they would lose at the ballot box.
 
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Zorba

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The media is unfair and definitely harped on his age excessively but that means he has to be able to actually prove them wrong consistently for voters to think about ignoring them. He is unable to do that.
That's the thing he could end this narrative today if he was capable. The fact that he hasn't is probably a pretty good indication he is not capable. A presidential candidate should be doing daily interviews that are coherent, not one a week with a bunch of WTF moments.
 

Puffnstuff

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Oh yeah a couple rallies a week is gonna patch this thing right up. Totally delusional.

Elected Ds are going on TV, possibly as soon as tomorrow, to light him up.

Remember after that House report calling him a well meaning elderly man when he stormed out before the cameras and blew it..... He's as ready to hit the trail as a copart car with a dead battery and 4 flat tires.
 

Zorba

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This is wrong. The reason why people can’t vote to end gerrymandering is because the legislature thwarts them when they do.

The primaries were open for literally anyone who wanted to run in them. Nobody thwarted an otherwise meritorious run, people chose not to run because they knew they would lose at the ballot box.
Not a perfect analogy, but if people had the information others would've ran and he would've lost. This information was hidden, though, so people treated it like a normal incombent primary.
 

MrSquished

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The primary was open to whoever would want to run. No one was stopping candidates from signing up.

I find it rather incredulous that people in the party "didn't know" about Biden and the age issue. His age has been a prominent issue for a long time, and his gaffs have been an issue since time immemorial.

And new information and wanting to change the ticket is fine too. The issue there is the loud contingent that wants to skip completely over the VP and pick the magical candidate that will somehow guarantee a win (even though nothing in elections is guaranteed, and each person asked seems to have some different magical candidate in mind thanks to the different factions that make up the party).
Again refusing to engage on the facts about the state of the party in the lead-up to the primaries and how Biden leveraged his incumbency to prevent a competitive primary, and to keep repeating it as fact is amazing.

You're spouting Republican level propaganda and refusing to engage in other option besides that. About most of this whole fiasco but including that.

It's all very disappointing
 

fskimospy

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Not a perfect analogy, but if people had the information others would've ran and he would've lost. This information was hidden, though, so people treated it like a normal incombent primary.
It is impossible for me to believe that his potential primary opponents had no idea.
 

K1052

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It is impossible for me to believe that his potential primary opponents had no idea.

Even if they did challenging an incumbent president for the ticket is a massive, potentially career ending, undertaking. He would have needed something to blow up like the debate did for them to have a shot.
 
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Zorba

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Even if they did challenging an incumbent president for the ticket is a massive, potentially career ending, undertaking. He would have needed something to blow up like the debate did for them to have a shot.
And he would've still refused to debate.
 
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MrSquished

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interesting.

it's ironic, but not unexpected, that she got attacked for that quote. It's actually a really good quote to inspire critical thinking.
 

fskimospy

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This would equal a landslide
Like the eight landslides you’ve predicted out of the last three elections too. That’s a lot!

Remember when you thought republicans were going to win in Hawaii (which would have been required for your supermajority) when they in fact lost by 50 points?
 

MrSquished

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Biden is most likely a losing candidate, or at least leaning more than a bit in that direction. Let's not try to prove the egg man correct.
 
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