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K1052

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Trump is running basically only to avoid prison for the crimes he committed while trying to illegally stay in the presidency and having stolen a bunch of classified docs on his way out that he refused to return.

To say that his problems are virtually all of his own making would be accurate.
 

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Why are people saying how great Biden is getting out of the race.
The DNC Elite forced him out. He was leaving one way or another as per Pelosi. I do think he should have never ran for reelection. I don't agree with the DNC ignoring the will of the voters. They should have another primary iaw the democratic process.


“Nancy made clear that they could do this the easy way or the hard way,” said one Democrat familiar with private conversations who was granted anonymity to speak candidly. “She gave them three weeks of the easy way. It was about to be the hard way.”

My dad is 67 and has lived a rural life almost his entire adult life. He's a union member and retired skilled tradesman in downstate IL. He's about as far as you get from Democratic Elite. After the debate he wrote his local Congress Rep and said he's not donating any more if Biden stays in.

The day Joe stepped down he donated money to Harris.

Joe looked at the reality and made a selfless decision to move this country forward. I wouldn't expect a Republican to understand.
 

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That's how Obama won. Energize these groups that go out and do the legwork for you. Hillary didn't have it. Harris does.

Get out and vote.
 
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- Technically, people voted for a Biden/Harris primary ticket, with the understanding that Harris would take over if Biden was unable to at any given time.

That reality has come to pass.

This is literally how the system is supposed to work.
In addition, proponents of this big conspiracy should consider: if voters didn't want Kamala, they'd a) be voicing their opinions and b) not be dumping truckloads of money on the DNC.
 
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MrSquished

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Word is the Swifties are going gaga for Kamala, and the excitement for her candidacy is all over TikTok
 

Indus

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Trump is running basically only to avoid prison for the crimes he committed while trying to illegally stay in the presidency and having stolen a bunch of classified docs on his way out that he refused to return.

To say that his problems are virtually all of his own making would be accurate.

You know how during the pandemic and shortly afterwards we saw all these videos of crimes on seniors for no apparent reason.

That's Trump. Hides from anyone who can land a punch but wanted to brawl with a frail old man.

Now running from a 59 year old woman again!

That's who he is.. the rapist bully who runs when odds aren't stacked in his favor!
 
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Word is the Swifties are going gaga for Kamala, and the excitement for her candidacy is all over TikTok
Given that TikTok explicitly runs an algorithm to show people what they would probably like, I'd take reports of something "all over TikTok" with a salt mine's worth of salt.

Though, there does seem to be some truth to true enthusiasm in social media.
 
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MrSquished

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Given that TikTok explicitly runs an algorithm to show people what they would probably like, I'd take reports of something "all over TikTok" with a salt mine's worth of salt.

Though, there does seem to be some truth to true enthusiasm in social media.
Everything else I've read is that the youth vote is quite energized right now, nothing seen since '08. They really disliked Biden btw - and I mean really really disliked - and this was one of the many reasons to go with Kamala
 

K1052

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Jd Vance attacking childless cat ladies isn’t going to help with the swifities.

I didn't think much of the decision to go with Vance in the first place and think less of it now. Especially when I hear him talk. It's like where charisma goes to die.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Let's be honest about this. Biden got a shit ton of "encouragement" to exit the race. One reason why this thread's poll leaned so heavily towards he's staying in is because we didn't generally expect his overall support to crater so hard. (By overall, I mean donors, fellow (D) politicians, and polling support.) Even as recently as say about 10 days ago, it seemed like he was staying in.

There's no modern precedent for the incumbent running for reelection to drop out in mid July; it's never happened before so saying this is how the system works is a pretty expansive view of the truth. Joe Biden isn't incapacitated, he was led to the door much to his own consternation.

Having said that, Joe Biden finally saw the writing on the wall. On Saturday, his innermost circle saw the latest dreadful data (whatever it is, see Politico) and decided if he stays in, he loses in November and torches his own legacy. So it took an agonizing three weeks, but he finally capitulated to reality.

- Yeah, he was encouraged and I don't think anyone is denying that. The thread leaned toward staying in because, as you mentioned, this is unprecedented and not many people had any faith in our leaders to put the goodwill of the country before themselves and party.

However, just because something hasn't happened before doesn't detract from the fact that this is how the system is supposed to work. The whole point of a VP, essentially their only real purpose in government is to provide a back-up to the president. That's literally all they are there for, other than a few ceremonial roles (certifying an election?).

If you're the bottom half of a ticket, you're there to take over from the top of the ticket if they are unable to for whatever reason.
 

ondma

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I didn't think much of the decision to go with Vance in the first place and think less of it now. Especially when I hear him talk. It's like where charisma goes to die.
Yea, Vance didnt make sense to me either. He is anything, is just a more radical version of Trump, if that is possible. He will certainly resonate with the Base, but they are soundly in Trump's corner anyway. Not sure Vance will bring in any moderates or independents though.
 

MrSquished

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Yea, Vance didnt make sense to me either. He is anything, is just a more radical version of Trump, if that is possible. He will certainly resonate with the Base, but they are soundly in Trump's corner anyway. Not sure Vance will bring in any moderates or independents though.
He will literally do the opposite. He is a sexist piece of shit far right fascist, he will drive away women voters at the very least, who are more moderate.
 
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blankslate

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The fact that Trump is reportedly from what I have heard not happy about Biden dropping out says something.

I'm glad Kamala has a chance to run especially since reports are that she will not be attending the Netanyahu (Why you need to support mass murdering Genocide of brown people in Gaza because we own you) speech to congress even if she will meet him at another time.

Also if she does win. Bonus points for Hillary supporters watching Hillary being stoic and trying not to seethe while talking about President Harris being the first female (and not female Caucasian) president of the USA.



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biostud

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Ignoring that the only reason he’s running is to avoid prosecution. Lol he cares for the country?
It is not the only reason he is running. He likes power and the admiration of his followers. Whether or not he believes he can make America better or not, I really don't know, but his politics definitely does not make the life better for most Americans.
 

ondma

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My dad is 67 and has lived a rural life almost his entire adult life. He's a union member and retired skilled tradesman in downstate IL. He's about as far as you get from Democratic Elite. After the debate he wrote his local Congress Rep and said he's not donating any more if Biden stays in.

The day Joe stepped down he donated money to Harris.

Joe looked at the reality and made a selfless decision to move this country forward. I wouldn't expect a Republican to understand.
No, Joe held on stubbornly (and selfishly IMO) until the very last minute, and until the party leaders made it clear that they would no longer support him or keep donations flowing. He should have declared before the primaries that he was not going to run for a second term, and allowed a true open primary. 99% likely that Kamala would have been the nominee anyway, but it would have avoided the criticism that she was not chosen in the primary.
 

ondma

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It is not the only reason he is running. He likes power and the admiration of his followers. Whether or not he believes he can make America better or not, I really don't know, but his politics definitely does not make the life better for most Americans.
Agreed. He wasn't facing prosecution in 2016, but wanted to run for the power and adulation. I think his vision of "Making America Great Again" is tax cuts and other breaks for the rich. He doesnt give a rat's ass about the poor/middle working class, but somehow, incredulously, he has convinced them that he is their savior and is going to take them back to the "good old days" of plentiful and high paying industrial jobs.
 
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ondma

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The fact that Trump is reportedly from what I have heard not happy about Biden dropping out says something.

I'm glad Kamala has a chance to run especially since reports are that she will not be attending the Netanyahu (Why you need to support mass murdering Genocide of brown people in Gaza because we own you) speech to congress even if she will meet him at another time.

Also if she does win. Bonus points for Hillary supporters watching Hillary being stoic and trying not to seethe while talking about President Harris being the first female (and not female Caucasian) president of the USA.



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There is plenty of blame to go around in the Gaza situation, but lets just remember how the situation started and the atrocities that were inflicted on Israel first.
 

Stokely

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I'd like to think, in a sane world, JD Vance may do more to help Harris win than Harris.

What an absolute turd. It's hard to imagine someone who could appeal less than Trump to anyone not white or male, but there he is. Not sure why I did it, but I watched some vomit-inducing dog-shouting (beyond whistling) racist ad of his talking about--what else--the BORDER. Ah THE BORDER, it's the new Commie. The moronic fuckstick literally blamed the problems of Ohio on "Joe Biden's open borders". Do yourself a favor, anyone who believes this crap, just hit them with a stick until they stop. Or just get away from them if you don't like prison.

I honestly had the same thought as Dank above. You were ok with not endorsing Biden, which helps land you Trump, but gung-ho for Harris (whose policies are likely to be very similar)....but ok, I'll take it.
 
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