Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

[akugami]

Reality: Mr. Smith posted on these forums saying "Today's sky was bright, sunny, and blue."

Lying: Everyone telling Mr. Smith he posted that "Today's sky was dark and stormy."

Gaslighting: The moderators of this forum modifying Mr. Smith's post to say "Today's sky was dark and stormy." and everyone telling Mr. Smith that's what he wrote.

There's a fine, but diabolical, line between just plain lying and gaslighting.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Has this little bicker session run out of gas yet?

 

[Moonbeam]

I'll mention it occasionally. You know since I was shit on constantly for even saying that we need inspiration, that Biden was keeping Trump in the race, to even question his candidacy I was a pariah to a bunch of people.

Considering the absolute amount of bullshit, misdirection, untruths, and gaslighting they managed to do in order to remain oblivious of reality, while shitting on me the entire time, I will certainly bring it up again. Because this is history, and this is the truth. And Dems need to learn this shit, those who haven't. This DNC convention is just more proof that their insane arguments that Biden was the best candidate the Dems could muster, and shitting on people who said otherwise, were completely insane, it's extremely relevant right now.

I find it sad you want to ignore this very important reality about the Dem party these people tried to gaslight us about. I find that sad. Bigly. You should try to do better.

So, the answer is, not really. I could give zero fucks that it bugs you at all either. I think I just took a shit with more fucks to give than I do right now.

I think you completely misunderstand the issue,the issue in my opinion being, that liberals can become as fear creating stupid as Conservatives, given their brain dead notions about who is fit to campaign. Owing to your incapacity to think straight, combined with millions like you, it was inevitable that an older person, now revered for stepping aside as well as the phenomenal job he was actually doing,would be forced to step aside to accommodate to all the millions of voters who because of glaring TV appearances at debates, slowed a lack of capacity and while also sick, simply to do something that has no relevance to Presidential duty.

He had to quit the race because the people who vote are morons. That fact can’t be helped because nobody wants to see their own fear. All that happened is that one great candidate got cast aside for another because the second does not have what idiots call a defect. In politics you have to go with what wins, moronic stupidity.

You just saw that without seeing what it is. All you got right is that stupid wins. You flatter yourself to think you were special somehow in seeing that.

I watch the debate and in just a few minutes in, when Biden froze up, mid sentence, I turned it off. I knew he was done.

Old people are hated because they remind the young they are going to die. for Trump voters, however, that is what they want.

 

[MrSquished]

I think you completely misunderstand the issue,the issue in my opinion being, that liberals can become as fear creating stupid as Conservatives, given their brain dead notions about who is fit to campaign. Owing to your incapacity to think straight, combined with millions like you, it was inevitable that an older person, now revered for stepping aside as well as the phenomenal job he was actually doing,would be forced to step aside to accommodate to all the millions of voters who because of glaring TV appearances at debates, slowed a lack of capacity and while also sick, simply to do something that has no relevance to Presidential duty.

He had to quit the race because the people who vote are morons. That fact can’t be helped because nobody wants to see their own fear. All that happened is that one great candidate got cast aside for another because the second does not have what idiots call a defect. In politics you have to go with what wins, moronic stupidity.

You just saw that without seeing what it is. All you got right is that stupid wins. You flatter yourself to think you were special somehow in seeing that.

I watch the debate and in just a few minutes in, when Biden froze up, mid sentence, I turned it off. I knew he was done.

Old people are hated because they remind the young they are going to die. for Trump voters, however, that is what they want.

I agree with that part. The regular left (and no I don't mean the radical left), but the core of the Dem party, they can operate by fear quite a bit. Not nearly as often as Conservatives, but a few times.

One of those fears was unsettling the status quo, pushing for a primary first and just going with the Biden flow, the next fear was when it became more and more evident that he had to go. Of course there should be some fear that things could go wrong, but to just be so overwhelmed with fear you just shoot everything down and create alternative realities in debates about what to do, just to say, we should do nothing - that fear has reached almost conservative levels. As I stated then, the gaslighting I saw from Dems, not just here but all over the places, was something I did not expect to see from the Dem side this bad. But calling it fear-driven is the best way to define it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Say gaslighting.

I do not think I have ever use that term as well as calling people trolls. I feel the terms are meaningless. To understand such terms, I think, you have inwardly identify with them, to have experienced them internall, to recognize them as part of your behavior or maybe simply you just have to be smart, I don’t know, but both those words are a mystery to me. I don’t get them. Perhaps it’s just unconscious denial but I gong gaslight, there I used the word, and I don’t troll. What would be the point?

 

[Brainonska511]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1826289277497733171

If anything is gaslighting, it's these "fact checks" of late, telling us to not believe our own contemporary eyes and ears about the context in which Trump spoke.

Trump's typical lies are just lies. I wouldn't necessarily call what he does gaslighting, except when it comes to him trying to make claims about objective reality that we can see with our own eyes are untrue.

 

[MrSquished]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1826289277497733171

If anything is gaslighting, it's these "fact checks" of late, telling us to not believe our own contemporary eyes and ears about the context in which Trump spoke.

Trump's typical lies are just lies. I wouldn't necessarily call what he does gaslighting, except when it comes to him trying to make claims about objective reality that we can see with our own eyes are untrue.

Holy shit this is MAGA level of detachment from reality. Linda Qiu, or whoever that is writing, has either a melted mind or is purposely being completely misleading.

 

[Moonbeam]

I agree with that part. The regular left (and no I don't mean the radical left), but the core of the Dem party, they can operate by fear quite a bit. Not nearly as often as Conservatives, but a few times.

One of those fears was unsettling the status quo, pushing for a primary first and just going with the Biden flow, the next fear was when it became more and more evident that he had to go. Of course there should be some fear that things could go wrong, but to just be so overwhelmed with fear you just shoot everything down and create alternative realities in debates about what to do, just to say, we should do nothing - that fear has reached almost conservative levels. As I stated then, the gaslighting I saw from Dems, not just here but all over the places, was something I did not expect to see from the Dem side this bad. But calling it fear-driven is the best way to define it.

Thinking on it a bit, I may have been afraid that Biden wouldn’t back down. He gave a lot of evidence he had no such intentions.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Trump’s favorite line. I may be a thief and a liar but I never lied about being a thie …. Wait

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I do not think I have ever use that term as well as calling people trolls. I feel the terms are meaningless. To understand such terms, I think, you have inwardly identify with them, to have experienced them internall, to recognize them as part of your behavior or maybe simply you just have to be smart, I don’t know, but both those words are a mystery to me. I don’t get them. Perhaps it’s just unconscious denial but I gong gaslight, there I used the word, and I don’t troll. What would be the point?

If you can't identify something without identifying it internally first, that's not enlightened, it's naive. Even if you don't really 'feel it' you should learn what it is, if only so you can protect others from it as well (it helps if you can call it out when you see it as well).

Go check out the movie Gaslight, it's good.

 

[fskimospy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1826289277497733171

If anything is gaslighting, it's these "fact checks" of late, telling us to not believe our own contemporary eyes and ears about the context in which Trump spoke.

Trump's typical lies are just lies. I wouldn't necessarily call what he does gaslighting, except when it comes to him trying to make claims about objective reality that we can see with our own eyes are untrue.

The desire to #bothsides everything has reached self parody levels.

I especially liked the second ‘fact check’ that said the statement that Trump wants to repeal the ACA is exaggerated because when he tried before he failed.

As someone down the thread notes this is the same logic Republicans use when they say Trump didn’t attempt a coup because he didn’t succeed. Fact checkers are now using the Sideshow Bob defense!

 

[akugami]

Trump’s favorite line. I may be a thief and a liar but I never lied about being a thie …. Wait

More like, I am not a liar, cheater, or a thief, but when I do lie, cheat, and steal, it was legal when I did it.

 

[Brainonska511]

The desire to #bothsides everything has reached self parody levels.

I especially liked the second ‘fact check’ that said the statement that Trump wants to repeal the ACA is exaggerated because when he tried before he failed.

As someone down the thread notes this is the same logic Republicans use when they say Trump didn’t attempt a coup because he didn’t succeed. Fact checkers are now using the Sideshow Bob defense!

You should have seen the parody fact check on Sideshow Bob's tattoo (to paraphrase): he noted that he tried to kill Bart before, but won't anymore. Anyway, he also said the tattoo is German for "The Bart, The"...

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The desire to #bothsides everything has reached self parody levels.

I especially liked the second ‘fact check’ that said the statement that Trump wants to repeal the ACA is exaggerated because when he tried before he failed.

As someone down the thread notes this is the same logic Republicans use when they say Trump didn’t attempt a coup because he didn’t succeed. Fact checkers are now using the Sideshow Bob defense!

Best I saw about this was:
Sideshow bob wasn’t trying to kill Bart, his shirt says in German “the Bart the”

 

[fskimospy]

Best I saw about this was:
Sideshow bob wasn’t trying to kill Bart, his shirt says in German “the Bart the”

View attachment 105922

My favorite Simpsons related one was this:

 

[cytg111]

Has this little bicker session run out of gas yet?

Immovable meets unstoppable. No gas required.

 

[linkgoron]

I think you completely misunderstand the issue,the issue in my opinion being, that liberals can become as fear creating stupid as Conservatives, given their brain dead notions about who is fit to campaign. Owing to your incapacity to think straight, combined with millions like you, it was inevitable that an older person, now revered for stepping aside as well as the phenomenal job he was actually doing,would be forced to step aside to accommodate to all the millions of voters who because of glaring TV appearances at debates, slowed a lack of capacity and while also sick, simply to do something that has no relevance to Presidential duty.

He looked terrible in the debates. However, he had other issues like referncing Lloyd Austin as "the Black man", referencing Zelensky as Putin and other weird errors. I still think that he's capable of doing his job, currently, but do you think he'll have what it takes at 84 or 85?

He had to quit the race because the people who vote are morons. That fact can’t be helped because nobody wants to see their own fear. All that happened is that one great candidate got cast aside for another because the second does not have what idiots call a defect. In politics you have to go with what wins, moronic stupidity.

You just saw that without seeing what it is. All you got right is that stupid wins. You flatter yourself to think you were special somehow in seeing that.

Putting someone 82 who is on clear decline for four more years is a difficult decision. Lately, every time Biden gave a public appearance, you were just waiting for him to mess up. I've already mentioned a few things, but this has become a popular meme as well. The presidency is more than just one person and I think that if the Democratic party has better shot with another candidate, I think it's good that they took it - especially with someone who already was on the ticket and is the current VP.

I will admit, though, that I thought that Biden was too old in the previous elections as well.

 

[Indus]

I will admit, though, that I thought that Biden was too old in the previous elections as well.

Maybe but he nailed Trump's slider into the upper deck..

 

[MrSquished]

The either crazy or intentional misleading both sidesing is summed up well here

Be Excellent To Each Other (@bxcellentdude) on Threads

Luke claimed that Emperor Palpatine threatened to kill him, but we rate this statement as FALSE. The emperor said, "you will be destroyed" and "you will die" but never specified that he himself would do the killing. Signed, the editorial board of a once great newspaper

www.threads.net

 

[ivwshane]

Trump most definitely gaslights! He lies as well but he directly gaslights, it’s a strategy narcissists use frequently,

 

[Moonbeam]

He looked terrible in the debates. However, he had other issues like referncing Lloyd Austin as "the Black man", referencing Zelensky as Putin and other weird errors. I still think that he's capable of doing his job, currently, but do you think he'll have what it takes at 84 or 85?


Putting someone 82 who is on clear decline for four more years is a difficult decision. Lately, every time Biden gave a public appearance, you were just waiting for him to mess up. I've already mentioned a few things, but this has become a popular meme as well. The presidency is more than just one person and I think that if the Democratic party has better shot with another candidate, I think it's good that they took it - especially with someone who already was on the ticket and is the current VP.

I will admit, though, that I thought that Biden was too old in the previous elections as well.

You are just affirming what I said. Fear that he was too old was killing his chances. Two options. One, you can like a pack of lemmings try to push him off a cliff and get some one else if the push is successful, or lose the race if he won’t be pushed. You had to depend on the fact that a very successful and productive talented politician would quit the race or stay and hope to win anyway. He is a known fighter.

Age is not the real issue in my opinion. Competency is. The problem, in my opinion also is that competency evaluations are in the hands of incompetent people, people who are full of fear driven imaginings. The only way an incompetent left can deal with Republican ‘too old to weak to run attacks’is to get a younger person to run, because we live in a land of ignoramuses, and lack the competency to educate ourselves. Nobody grows in wisdom who lacks the courage to see he or she is presently a fool and nobody wants to see that owing to the fear driven feeling it will affirm we are worthless when that is only a lie not a fact.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you can't identify something without identifying it internally first, that's not enlightened, it's naive. Even if you don't really 'feel it' you should learn what it is, if only so you can protect others from it as well (it helps if you can call it out when you see it as well).

Go check out the movie Gaslight, it's good.

You won’t have much luck trying to gaslight me on what enlightenment is or isn’t. In this case, whatever enlightenment may be, I don’t give a fig. Using the words troll and gaslighting don’t appeal to me. If you think you see those things,fine, you are simply hiding behind a stereotyped negative term that expresses an opinion. I donT want words that put people in a box. I want to hear why you think the categorization fits. I call that kind of thing, “Poof, you are a dragon.”

 

[NWRMidnight]

If you read a dictionary, single words can have multiple meanings. You know in a dictionary when a word has a 1. meaning and then a 2. meaning for example. In fact some words can function both as say a noun and a verb. Words are sometimes super simple and sometimes more complex. I did link you to the actual dictionary which shows just this about the word gaslight, and I also quoted the 2. definition - which is literally another usage of the word gaslight which, as it says, is quite apropo

Here, the dictionary even explains how using different numbers after definitions of one words works, they have different 'senses'

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from the link:

"Boldface Arabic numerals separate the senses of a word that has more than one sense:

1gloom . . . verb . . . 1 : to look, feel, or act sullen or despondent 2 : to be or become overcast 3 : to loom up dimly"

also for another technical term:

"When a word or phrase has several meanings, you can describe that word as polysemous."

Polysemous - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

When a word or phrase has several meanings, you can describe that word as polysemous. One word that's famously polysemous is "bank."

www.vocabulary.com

You do realize that dictionaries are updated, with definitions added as society changes the definition thru changed usage of words, right? which is why we have multple definitions of words, with many of them often deriving from slang usage. The #1definition, use to be the orignial true definition, but even that has changed, and #1 is now socieities most used definition, which doesn't necessarily make it an accurate definition, and not necessarily the words true and orginal definition. Lets use the word gay for example.. the true original meaning is "happy, joyful", but that defeinition has been moved to position #2, even though "happy, joyful" is the original meaning. It's second meaning came about in the 1600's, which started to be used heavily in the 1960's and beyond.

My point is, because there are definitions of a word, in a dictionary, doesn't neccesarrily make those added definitions accurate since they have been derived from society altering the meaning from it's original. Many dictinaries include slang words, and slang definitions now days.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You won’t have much luck trying to gaslight me on what enlightenment is or isn’t. In this case, whatever enlightenment may be, I don’t give a fig. Using the words troll and gaslighting don’t appeal to me. If you think you see those things,fine, you are simply hiding behind a stereotyped negative term that expresses an opinion. I donT want words that put people in a box. I want to hear why you think the categorization fits. I call that kind of thing, “Poof, you are a dragon.”

Do you believe reality is subjective or objective?

 

[MrSquished]

You do realize that dictionaries are updated, with definitions added as society changes the definition thru changed usage of words, right? which is why we have multple definitions of words, with many of them often deriving from slang usage. The #1definition, use to be the orignial true definition, but even that has changed, and #1 is now socieities most used definition, which doesn't necessarily make it an accurate definition, and not necessarily the words true and orginal definition. Lets use the word gay for example.. the true original meaning is "happy, joyful", but that defeinition has been moved to position #2, even though "happy, joyful" is the original meaning. It's second meaning came about in the 1600's, which started to be used heavily in the 1960's and beyond.

My point is, because there are definitions of a word, in a dictionary, doesn't neccesarrily make those added definitions accurate since they have been derived from society altering the meaning from it's original. Many dictinaries include slang words, and slang definitions now days.

I mean it's like you're totally agreeing with me and then disagreeing with yourself.