Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

[Pens1566]

You are really doing the Biden cultists thing well. The reason Democrats lose is because they don't take enough chances. It's been almost a week after the debate, where is Biden showing us he can fight? Nowhere. He showed us on Thursday he can't fight and validated concern over many many months for this exact thing.

Yeah we need a candidate that can fight for us. The Dems need to make a move Biden has gaslit us long enough

I don't know how many times you have to be told this, there is no Biden cult. I'd literally vote for a ham sandwich if it was running against Trump.

There is just no remotely viable alternative at this point. No matter how much you want to play fantasy football with "unnamed candidate".

 

[Pens1566]

Is he doing the job of POTUS well? I am not so sure about that. In my opinion, Biden is a weak POTUS and is only looking viable because Trump is so much worse.

His record over the past 3.5 years is regularly regarded as good/great.

Assuming you leave out the OANN/Newsmax analyses ...

 

[K1052]

Is he doing the job of POTUS well? I am not so sure about that. In my opinion, Biden is a weak POTUS and is only looking viable because Trump is so much worse.

In general I would say yes. I mean nobody is waking him up at 3AM saying that we need to launch the...student debt relief missiles or something. Most policy decisions are going to be fine generally and have been. Other than our posture specifically towards Israel/Netanyahu I don't have a ton of complaints.

 

[fskimospy]

Is he doing the job of POTUS well? I am not so sure about that. In my opinion, Biden is a weak POTUS and is only looking viable because Trump is so much worse.

He not only passed incredibly consequential legislation with razor thin congressional margins, the US has outperformed other developed countries economically in basically every measure during his tenure.

I mean... what else were you looking for?

 

[IronWing]

Is he doing the job of POTUS well? I am not so sure about that. In my opinion, Biden is a weak POTUS and is only looking viable because Trump is so much worse.

Biden has been effective in getting his legislative agenda through Congress. His regulatory agenda has been a basket case as his cabinet members seem to be fairly bad at picking effective appointees.

 

[fskimospy]

Biden has been effective in getting his legislative agenda through Congress. His regulatory agenda has been a basket case as his cabinet members seem to be fairly bad at picking effective appointees.

His regulatory agenda has been a basket case because the courts are playing Calvinball.

 

[MrSquished]

I don't know how many times you have to be told this, there is no Biden cult. I'd literally vote for a ham sandwich if it was running against Trump.

There is just no remotely viable alternative at this point. No matter how much you want to play fantasy football with "unnamed candidate".

So you admit Biden is not fit to run this campaign then?

 

[Stokely]

I guess if people are looking for a Putin-style personality cult strongman, an administrator who delegates is "weak".

I've worked (much smaller scale obviously) for know-it-all narcissist big bosses. The thing is--they don't know it all. Nobody does. A good leader knows how to hire other good people, and do the dog and pony show with other leaders, and very occasionally make the tough big strategic decisions. Our dev team dreads it every time the bigwig steps and and tries to tell us how to actually build things, because his knowledge on how to do actual work is way, way out of date.

Trump for all his wanna be mob boss/dictator dreams doesn't know shit. The difference with him is that the people he'll delegate to are ghouls like Miller or Bannon. Or sycophantic toadies who won the "who kissed ass the best and promised favors the most" (aka loyalty to Trump). These are the people who will end up running depts and making actual decisions. Asshats like Pruitt, an oil person running the fucking EPA.

As stated already, a ham sandwich is better than Trump. Any conceivable Democrat will hire better people and have better policies (to me) than Trump or any modern Republican, so my vote is secure no matter what. Unfortunately too many people want their big daddy President who is "strong" because they've seen too many Avengers movies.

 

[Pens1566]

So you admit Biden is not fit to run this campaign then?

Where in the blue hell did you get that from anything I've posted?

Jesus, did you miss your meds this morning?

 

[Roger Wilco]

The next few days will be key.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808513105015582884

 

[fskimospy]

I don't know how many times you have to be told this, there is no Biden cult. I'd literally vote for a ham sandwich if it was running against Trump.

There is just no remotely viable alternative at this point. No matter how much you want to play fantasy football with "unnamed candidate".

I for one would love to meet a 'Biden cult' member because I've never seen one. He's an old guy who has done an extremely effective job in the office of president given the constraints of super thin legislative margins and a corrupt judiciary.

There was never really a remotely viable alternative other than Biden choosing not to run again and since he didn't choose to do that the rest is a fantasy. Same as you, I would vote for the D candidate no matter who it is but it was always going to be Biden. I mean were people expecting some sort of 2023 mutiny of elected officials after better than expected election results in 2022?

 

[K1052]

I don't think the crisis of confidence is going to be that easy to repair and I think he instinctively knows that. If there is not some kind of meaningful improvement in both vibe and metrics he's probably going to quit.

 

[IronWing]

His regulatory agenda has been a basket case because the courts are playing Calvinball.

I understand the court issue. This is a separate administrative issue. The appointees spent a lot of time floundering, being non-productive, and have little to show for their time.

 

[K1052]

The appointees spent a lot of time floundering, being non-productive, and have little to show for their time.

Sounds like your historically average cabinet to me. At least nobody's fucked up something as big as the healthcare.gov launch.

 

[Pens1566]

This sums it up pretty well:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808039694250250663

 

[MrSquished]

The next few days will be key.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808513105015582884

Yeah I don't think if Biden does you know okay at some controlled scripted things like he has done before that means he should stay in the race. I hope Biden is being better than that.

Ultimately if Biden doesn't do the right thing then it's going to be up to senior Democrats to put the public pressure on him. I'm sure they're doing it in private now because it would look far more graceful and smooth if Biden went out on his own terms rather than have to do it due to public pressure by the Democratic elite, But if that's what the Democratic party has to do then it's all on them.

 

[K1052]

Yeah I don't think if Biden does you know okay at some controlled scripted things like he has done before that means he should stay in the race. I hope Biden is being better than that.

Ultimately if Biden doesn't do the right thing then it's going to be up to senior Democrats to put the public pressure on him. I'm sure they're doing it in private now because it would look far more graceful and smooth if Biden went out on his own terms rather than have to do it due to public pressure by the Democratic elite, But if that's what the Democratic party has to do then it's all on them.

He's sitting with the governors today probably mainly to get an unvarnished temperature check about where he stands. I don't think he considers any of them threats to his nomination even if they are interested in 28.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Hmm

The next few days will be key.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808513105015582884

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808515890004050293

 

[K1052]

There is no way that any official spokesperson for the WH or campaign is going to say that's true even if it is lol. There is only one person who gets to utter those words to the public and it ain't them.

 

[gothuevos]

The next few days will be key.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808513105015582884

I don't know if a couple of softball interviews or teleprompter events will be enough. The damage is done.

If we go on to have future elections, a guy like Wes Moore is what the party needs to promote.

How is it that after 8 years of Trump/GOP malfeasance, that we are on the verge of losing it all? Yes Dems won a razor thin trifecta in 2020, but here they are, still struggling against Trump. After 8 years. What does that say about them?

Or maybe the electorate is just sick. If that's the case, just split up the country already. Neither side wants to be governed by the other. Does anyone REALLY think the right moderates their views going forward?

 

[gothuevos]

So far looks like its cost Biden two points in the national GE polls. He really could not afford to lose these from both a practical and political standpoint.
Going to be hard to stem the crisis of faith inside the party with data like this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808489314352853141

With the way that the EC is set up...doesn't this shape up to be a landslide loss for Biden? Correct me on the numbers if I'm wrong, wasn't Hilary +3 and barely lost, and Biden up +7 (?) and barely won.

 

[K1052]

With the way that the EC is set up...doesn't this shape up to be a landslide loss for Biden? Correct me on the numbers if I'm wrong, wasn't Hilary +3 and barely lost, and Biden up +7 (?) and barely won.

Polling error in 2020 indicated a larger margin for Biden than results. What we don't know about this year is what the direction or magnitude of the polling error might be.

Anyway declining national GE numbers when you've possibly mortally wounded your campaign and all your allies are skittish is not where you wanna be.

 

[Brovane]

He not only passed incredibly consequential legislation with razor thin congressional margins, the US has outperformed other developed countries economically in basically every measure during his tenure.

I mean... what else were you looking for?

Has he really held Israeli accountable for what they are doing to Palestinians? Or did he just bend over to the Israeli lobby in the US? I think he just bent over. He also dithered on sending the equipment that Ukraine needed much sooner like F-16's, M1 Abrams and ATACMS. He always seems to be about 6-12 months behind on what Ukraine actually needed to deal with the Russian invasion which caused un-necessary Ukrainian deaths. Look at all the delay in allowing Ukraine to strike into Russia with US weapons. Even then he isn't allowing ATACMS to strike into Russia proper yet Russia can strike Ukraine all day long from Russia.

 

[K1052]

He knows he blew it and he's not blaming his aides unlike his family. So far nothing to indicate he isn't actually in touch with the reality here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808521302203887652

 

[K1052]

Has he really held Israeli accountable for what they are doing to Palestinians? Or did he just bend over to the Israeli lobby in the US? I think he just bent over. He also dithered on sending the equipment that Ukraine needed much sooner like F-16's, M1 Abrams and ATACMS. He always seems to be about 6-12 months behind on what Ukraine actually needed to deal with the Russian invasion which caused un-necessary Ukrainian deaths. Look at all the delay in allowing Ukraine to strike into Russia with US weapons. Even then he isn't allowing ATACMS to strike into Russia proper yet Russia can strike Ukraine all day long from Russia.

I don't think this is an unfair criticism and I've certainly made it myself. However I'd probably say that the gap in supply caused by the Republican Party has done more tangible harm to Ukraine than anything else on our end.