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JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
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I voted for Biden for his centrist approach and industrial policy. He's mostly delivered on that ... But nothing new is coming. (Again, why he should have left on top)

Im more aligned with him on foreign policy by far than Trump, but he's still too timid. I would have preferred Haley or Feterman or Romney in this regard. Stronger on helping Israel and Ukraine, continue strengthening NATO.

Biden has unfortunately getting pulled left by the progressives. Don't approve.
Don't like the woke left or the woke right

Oh, you're a "because woke" person. Go back to reposting Facebook posts saying Zuckerberg doesn't have permission to use your photos.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Don't like the woke left or the woke right
For one thing there is no such thing as the woke right and have you asked yourself why you imagine you have any understanding of what it might really mean to be among the woke left? Are you consciously aware of how you might actually simply be infected by propaganda induced bigotry. Your words speak volumes to me that you are so infected. To be woke, to be progressive, to see the wisdom of socialism. is to know that what the unenlightened left and the polar opposite right believe are just opposite sides of the same coin is obvious with the onset of real understanding.

Sadly we are all burdened by a belief that what we can see is the be all and end all of seeing. Only the meek are capable of real understanding. My apology for being arrogant enough to tell you the facts, naturally, as I see them.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Oh, you're a "because woke" person. Go back to reposting Facebook posts saying Zuckerberg doesn't have permission to use your photos.
Yeah, "woke right" is... uh, yeah, that's not a thing. I mean, woke has already been incredibly bastardized these past few years, but that's taking it to literally just be "thing I don't like".
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Each of those presidencies was a national fucking disaster, lol. Reagan: started the massive upward wealth transfer. Bush: Iraq (not everyone survived that one, but nice try). Trump: the coup attempt for one.
Shrub also has the Great Recession under his watch. It's crazy, but Trump could plausibly say he's not the worst POTUS of the last 40 years; he just needs more time to achieve that distinction. In a second term, the gloves would be off and I seriously doubt there will be any adults left in the room to keep guardrails in place.
 

ondma

Platinum Member
Mar 18, 2018
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I think we're at the point where anyone but Jon Stewart is a loss! It's literally a look at what the dems have done over the past 4 years now. They need an outsider -- a real outsider like Trump was in 2016!
Yea, Trump worked out real well, huh? Let a pandemic run wild, divided the country with inflammatory rhetoric, and refused (and still refuses) to accept the results of a legitimate election. Bring on someone else just like him.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,510
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The problem I see is that you have become far more what you fear than fskimospy has if he has at all, which, at the moment I don't see. In my opinion you are a liberal philosophically, intellectually, and a conservative at an emotional reactive level. I see you as being emotionally addicted to tantrum like behavior when things don't go your way. I believe you suffer from past traumatic experiences far more than he does.

fskimospy, in my opinion is the number one example that comes to my mind as representing the world of reality who posts on this forum. He does so calmly and with incisiveness. He also does so from a deep well of erudition and experience. He provides me, of course meaning in my opinion, a resource to see into a world I have much less experience with and I deeply appreciate the opportunity to be exposed to his opinions. I smell self assurance and self respect that flow inevitably out of the application of intelligence and reason.

I, like you, feel deeply upset about the things going on in our country and I believe equally upset at least as much as you are, but politics is the art of the possible and knowing what is possible, when what drives you are emotional absolutes, leads to belief in an altered reality that has noting to do with rational politics. fskimospy offers you a rational appraisal of what is possible, not one driven by emotional need. Emote all you want but try to listen to people who have more real world sense than you do. Try to remember that everything is hopeless but not serious. Life is fucked and then you die. And behind the illusion of the Matrix there is no spoon and there is no Trump.
Tl;dr
 

ondma

Platinum Member
Mar 18, 2018
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I see many viable paths forward here, but I still maintain that this is a largely media-driven narrative that is the culmination of the years of "Is Biden Too Old?" reporting (and potential bitterness over the loss of access journalism in a prior White House that leaked like a sieve), and political elites of the Democratic Party making numerous fatal errors over the past few years. (Don't get me wrong, it was a bad debate showing for sure, but it really does seem like a one-off. Biden sat for an interview with Stern ~1.5 months prior, and the clips and speeches post-debate have seemed fine. Never mind the whole "being able to debate" is not really a necessity for POTUS in day-to-day things).

Where are the Senate hearings on SCOTUS corruption? Why did Garland take so long to have Trump charged? Where is the singular focus on Trump's mental health and the Republican party's desire to burn down our Republic in the name of power?
Yea, the Reps are very effective at spreading FUD about the Dems and their agenda. Unfortunately, they are horrible at counteracting the FUD, and especially Biden, who has never been a good speaker, but now is almost impossible to listen to, much less understand anything coherent from his speeches. Everyone is criticizing Biden's ineptitude at the debates, but Trump was no better. He lied and distorted the facts almost every time he opened his mouth, but Biden was not able to effectively counter the crap coming out of Trump.
 
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ondma

Platinum Member
Mar 18, 2018
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Yeah, "woke right" is... uh, yeah, that's not a thing. I mean, woke has already been incredibly bastardized these past few years, but that's taking it to literally just be "thing I don't like".
"Woke Right" is actually "Christian" Nationalism. (Christian in quotes, because their agenda is the polar opposite of Christianity as I believe it should be.)
I dont really like branding the left with "woke" either, but they certainly have become overly concerned with identity politics.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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"Woke Right" is actually "Christian" Nationalism. (Christian in quotes, because their agenda is the polar opposite of Christianity as I believe it should be.)
I dont really like branding the left with "woke" either, but they certainly have become overly concerned with identity politics.
Don't forget BLM and Antifa. They are always up to no good.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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"Woke Right" is actually "Christian" Nationalism. (Christian in quotes, because their agenda is the polar opposite of Christianity as I believe it should be.)
I dont really like branding the left with "woke" either, but they certainly have become overly concerned with identity politics.
How is that "woke right"? I think they get triggered when they hear the word "woke", they identify as "awake".
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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"Woke Right" is actually "Christian" Nationalism. (Christian in quotes, because their agenda is the polar opposite of Christianity as I believe it should be.)
I dont really like branding the left with "woke" either, but they certainly have become overly concerned with identity politics.
I’ve never understood why what the right does is not referred to as identity politics.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Forget these people we don't have time to reach out to these goners. What we need to do now is not worry about the people that don't live in reality but worry about getting Harris on the ticket as the presidential candidate with a great VP choice and let's start campaigning with people that can actually communicate why we need to defeat Trump.
 
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Yea, the Reps are very effective at spreading FUD about the Dems and their agenda. Unfortunately, they are horrible at counteracting the FUD, and especially Biden, who has never been a good speaker, but now is almost impossible to listen to, much less understand anything coherent from his speeches. Everyone is criticizing Biden's ineptitude at the debates, but Trump was no better. He lied and distorted the facts almost every time he opened his mouth, but Biden was not able to effectively counter the crap coming out of Trump.
Yes. Gish gallop-ing as they call the debate technique (overload your opponent with BS). If debate moderators are not going to step in to call out people on the obvious lies in real time and have follow-up questions, they should really take the whole format and throw it in the trash. Might as well have separate candidate forums instead.

Anyway, I watched some of Biden's follow-on appearances, both immediately after the debate and the next day and he seemed fine. And Dems do have some power to control the narrative: they need only use some of the power they have (ie, start calling Senate hearings; stop bed wetting gossip and redirect the conversation with reporters to the things that are truly important).
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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nOOky

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0% chance he bows out unless it's beyond his control. If you read any conservative social media echo chamber garbage it's quite possible he is the worst most corrupt human to ever have lived. If you are a rational human being you know that Biden is 987% better than the other guy by a long shot, even at half capacity.

Covfefe.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Biden's legacy is completely tarnished if he is really staying in. What an insult to our intelligence, and having gaslit us for so long. And doing his country a great disservice as well. What a shit show. It's always the fucking male ego, and this is what we have here. Another one staying in the game too long when they aren't capable anymore.
 
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Nov 29, 2006
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Right, because every election is good vs evil, Jesus vs Satan, black vs white, democracy vs totalitarianism... Just like every previous election and superhero movie

Remember when Romney was the end of days lol?

I don't owe my vote to Biden just bc I don't like Trump.

Give me something to vote FOR, else piss off and think harder next time.
It would be great to have someone to vote FOR, no doubt. But at the end of the day you should pick the candidate that is going to do the country/people the least harm, and that is a clear choice.
 
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