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MrSquished

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This shit alone is going to torpedo Biden.
The sooner the better. To torpedo someone putting their ego over the country is a blessed thing.

The Disney heiress and some other mega donors have publicly announced they are pausing donations until Joe does the right thing.. Good to see people with influence having the balls to do the right thing.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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The sooner the better. To torpedo someone putting their ego over the country is a blessed thing.

The Disney heiress and some other maga donors have publicly announced they are pausing donations until Joe does the right thing.. Good to see people with influence having the balls to do the right thing.
It's it ego, or is it just accepting what literally everyone has been saying for the last four years, 'yeah he's old but he's the only one that can realistically beat Trump' which was repeated every fucking day right up until that debate.

A quarter of the country collectively shits itself and now the casting couch is open.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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The sooner the better. To torpedo someone putting their ego over the country is a blessed thing.

The Disney heiress and some other maga donors have publicly announced they are pausing donations until Joe does the right thing.. Good to see people with influence having the balls to do the right thing.

He should just resign at that point and Kamala can run as the incumbent and do what she has to do!
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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The sooner the better. To torpedo someone putting their ego over the country is a blessed thing.

The Disney heiress and some other mega donors have publicly announced they are pausing donations until Joe does the right thing.. Good to see people with influence having the balls to do the right thing.

I feel like I'm living in effing 2016 again. When these people get Trump elected and he replaces at least Thomas and Alito with 35 year old theocrats will they realize the error of their ways.

Conservatives have a lot of flaws. You could say it's their defining characteristic. But they are focused and goal oriented and know how to play the long game. They would never torpedo a whole election based on one gaffe.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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I feel like I'm living in effing 2016 again. When these people get Trump elected and he replaces at least Thomas and Alito with 35 year old theocrats will they realize the error of their ways.

Conservatives have a lot of flaws. You could say it's their defining characteristic. But they are focused and goal oriented and know how to play the long game. They would never torpedo a whole election based on one gaffe.
Imagine thinking Biden's been this very with it guy talking to the media and taking questions all this campaign and doing great, and just having one gaffe - for the debate on their terms on their date even. Imagine being so oblivious to reality.

You do realize you share a trait there with the maga crew
Cognitive dissonance
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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In my opinion it would finally be the end of Trump and the beginning of the decline in MAGA politics if Biden were to win and I think the smell of such victory was becoming quite palpable. But do you know what that would mean for liberals. Victory of course and what is the last emotional feeling no self hating liberal can abide, the horrible sensations that arise when you get something you know you don't deserve. No self hater can ever allow themselves the feeling they deserve to win because it's always for people that feel worthy that calamity happens. So please please my fellow liberals, lets destroy everything first. We can sleep soundly only in a state of misery. And of course we must ignore the fact that for some strange reason we were simply fated to lose. It's just our luck and without failure we'd have no luck at all.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Imagine thinking Biden's been this very with it guy talking to the media and taking questions all this campaign and doing great, and just having one gaffe - for the debate on their terms on their date even. Imagine being so oblivious to reality.

You do realize you share a trait there with the maga crew
Cognitive dissonance

Fundamentally the problem is that he isn't going to be able to perform in such a way that derails this media train which itself is shaping the election for voters. Sure the press is basically doing Hillary's Emails on him at this point but the campaign/admin's own choices also brought them here. The situation is what it is and a lot more Ds are willing to roll the dice because the existing dynamic is deteriorating.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Imagine thinking Biden's been this very with it guy talking to the media and taking questions all this campaign and doing great, and just having one gaffe - for the debate on their terms on their date even. Imagine being so oblivious to reality.

You do realize you share a trait there with the maga crew
Cognitive dissonance

This supposedly doddering old fool has had an extremely productive last three years. Yeah, he's not as sharp as he was 20-30 years ago but the people he appoints to implement policy are very serious and competent. That's what I'm voting for.

And obviously I'd prefer the Supreme Court didn't take their cues from the bible for the next 30-40 years, so I'm voting for that too.
 

spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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Just google it. Here's an example. (and yes, it's mostly conservatives to point this "padding" of her talks as word salad)

I don't think she's stupid...far from it, but I'm not impressed. Will I vote for her if she becomes the nominee? Probably ABT...right? (anyone but Trump) I don't think she will win...but after his dismal performance in the debate, I don't think Biden will win either.

This was her layman's explanation of the Ukraine invasion:

So, Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong, and it goes against everything that we stand for.”
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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This supposedly doddering old fool has had an extremely productive last three years. Yeah, he's not as sharp as he was 20-30 years ago but the people he appoints to implement policy are very serious and competent. That's what I'm voting for.

And obviously I'd prefer the Supreme Court didn't take their cues from the bible for the next 30-40 years, so I'm voting for that too.

I'm voting for policy and to keep Trump/the right wing crazies out of power. This desire is not beholden to any particular candidate unreasonably which is why whoever emerged from the 2020 Dem primary was getting my vote. If Biden retains the nomination for 2024 or it's somebody else same thing. My preference here would be for Biden to say I've done my duty and respectfully pas the baton. Biden's done a good job and he should take a victory lap in the process but acknowledge the reality that he's gotten older and that a change is desired, a position that he will respect.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Imagine thinking Biden's been this very with it guy talking to the media and taking questions all this campaign and doing great, and just having one gaffe - for the debate on their terms on their date even. Imagine being so oblivious to reality.

You do realize you share a trait there with the maga crew
Cognitive dissonance
You sound like you are really mad that the cognitive issues you think Biden is having are affecting you? What is your problem? Everything is happening exactly as it has to. You have no control over your egotism, your fear of being humiliated by Trump winning, of the monsters that are crawling out from under your bed, no ability to change what other people think. Your big solution is to piss into the wind. How different are you really, demanding a strong man for a leader, somebody macho, vibrant, young, verbally obnoxious. What you've got is an old guy with signs of weakness who doesn't yet see fit to quit. How inconsiderate of your poor bruised ego can anybody be. But what will be will be. The only change you can make is how you react and even that isn't easy.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Trump's worried about P2025 because it's getting attention. The people he's going to staff his admin with believe in this kind of thing so it's not even a baseless attack. Democrats likely to double down on it.
 
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Stokely

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This supposedly doddering old fool has had an extremely productive last three years. Yeah, he's not as sharp as he was 20-30 years ago but the people he appoints to implement policy are very serious and competent. That's what I'm voting for.

And obviously I'd prefer the Supreme Court didn't take their cues from the bible for the next 30-40 years, so I'm voting for that too.

Very well said. I feel exactly the same way.
Unfortunately it's all about the person for most of the public. Celebrity worship, everyone wants a big daddy hero when this is really about hiring a good administrator.

All that said--the reality is that you need a good candidate, not just a good President as much as I hate that fact. Obama was a top-level candidate. I felt candidate Biden was too old in 2020, not so much for those four years but for this election knowing Trump was going to run again. It was a big gamble to think an 80+ year old person was going to have the energy to campaign....and here we are. If there's blame, it's on the voting Democrats who elected a 78 year old person. How many 78 year olds do you work with that that you'd expect to still be working with 8 years later?

Not that its any 100% guarantee of mental fitness, but I'd honestly like an upper age limit to go with the younger one for President. One might have hoped St. Ronnie's second term would have been a warning shot. Too bad there isn't a morals/ethics clause to go with it, that would rule out Trump in a heartbeat....

But just to be clear, I'll be voting for whoever or whatever has a (D) next to its name. Because that's the only possible alternative to Trump 2.0.
 
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