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K1052

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I was originally at 30% and I think I'm still there. Biden has mostly successfully cowed the Ds in congress to remain quiet or fall in line but not entirely. But there is simply no stopping the coverage now and most aren't exactly giving him firm support in the face of it.
 
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Let's not forget that Jon Stewart led that "Rally to Restore Sanity" - a fantastic and idiotic expression of "both sides bad"

Tons of hand wringing at a point where it is kind of pointless. Forcing out a candidate who won millions of votes in an open primary with an opponent of "generic younger Democrat" (including an overwhelming win in a NH write-in campaign) through some attempt at twisting the party process just seems like a piss poor idea. And the continued backbiting by elected Democrats and "elites" in the party is just inflicting self harm.
 

K1052

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Let's not forget that Jon Stewart led that "Rally to Restore Sanity" - a fantastic and idiotic expression of "both sides bad"

Tons of hand wringing at a point where it is kind of pointless. Forcing out a candidate who won millions of votes in an open primary with an opponent of "generic younger Democrat" (including an overwhelming win in a NH write-in campaign) through some attempt at twisting the party process just seems like a piss poor idea. And the continued backbiting by elected Democrats and "elites" in the party is just inflicting self harm.

Stewart does a good job of consistently demoralizing Dems because that's who watch his show and we're prone to it. I'm not even saying he's wrong most of the time but in a FPTP system just punching the wall all the time doesn't yield any benefits.

As for tossing out the votes of the primary we have no mechanism to replace a candidate in what has become an absurdly long election cycle even if he loses the faith of many/most of the people that voted for him in said primary. All we have are the mechanics of the current system and if Biden decides to quit and release his delegates that's certainly a legitimate outcome. Same thing if he or Trump suddenly died and the respective conventions had to select a replacement candidate.
 
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Brovane

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Let's not forget that Jon Stewart led that "Rally to Restore Sanity" - a fantastic and idiotic expression of "both sides bad"

Tons of hand wringing at a point where it is kind of pointless. Forcing out a candidate who won millions of votes in an open primary with an opponent of "generic younger Democrat" (including an overwhelming win in a NH write-in campaign) through some attempt at twisting the party process just seems like a piss poor idea. And the continued backbiting by elected Democrats and "elites" in the party is just inflicting self harm.

What choice did we have except Biden in this "open primary"?
 
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K1052

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Anyone else who decided to run.

People chose not to run because they (correctly) realized they would lose to Biden.

If people want to pretend that people like Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer didn't field polls to test their viability then they are free to do so I guess. Trying to push aside an incumbent president is no small undertaking which is why it basically does not ever happen.
 

brycejones

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What choice did we have except Biden in this "open primary"?
Because politicians like to run when they have a shot at winning and running against a sitting President is usually not a good shot at winning?

It was an open primary, just political reality dictated that it was better to wait until there wasn't an incumbent to compete against?
 
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Stewart does a good job of consistently demoralizing Dems because that's who watch his show and we're prone to it. I'm not even saying he's wrong most of the time but in a FPTP system just punching the wall all the time doesn't yield any benefits.

As for tossing out the votes of the primary we have no mechanism to replace a candidate in what has become an absurdly long election cycle even if he loses the faith of many/most of the people that voted for him in said primary. All we have are the mechanics of the current system and if Biden decides to quit and release his delegates that's certainly a legitimate outcome. Same thing if he or Trump suddenly died and the respective conventions had to select a replacement candidate.
If Biden decides to quit and push his delegates elsewhere, yes, that is legitimate. But a media driven pressure campaign, with some party members publicly jumping on board, just makes it look like party elites are trying to reverse the primary: a thing that everyday people don't really like the perception of.
 
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What choice did we have except Biden in this "open primary"?
Dean Phillips was basically your "generic young Democrat" who wasn't crystal lady crazy. Other people were also free to sign up to run, but they didn't, since you can't force people to run.
 

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Another increasing risk to Biden's continued candidacy is congresspeople heading for the lifeboats due to fears of impact down ballot. His remaining support or the silence he's obtained for now could evaporate somewhat quickly.

JFC. Why would you distance yourself from someone because they are old and had a bad debate. WTF?! How about "The Dems have gotten xyz done under this administration despite efforts from the Project 2025 Party. No matter which Dem is Preaident, we will continue to work for the American people..."

On the flip-side, Republican pieces of shit make no effort to distance themselves from the convicted felon-traitor-rapist. In fact, they prop that shit stain up every chance they get.

Almost like there are two different standards. Republicans are such trash.
 
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Another increasing risk to Biden's continued candidacy is congresspeople heading for the lifeboats due to fears of impact down ballot. His remaining support or the silence he's obtained for now could evaporate somewhat quickly.

Politically, Democrats in Congress are being really dumb. The decision seems to have largely been made - now is the time to just close ranks instead of continuing this ridiculous infighting. It would be the politically correct thing to do (just like Republicans brushing off the Access Hollywood tapes of Trump).
 

K1052

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If Biden decides to quit and push his delegates elsewhere, yes, that is legitimate. But a media driven pressure campaign, with some party members publicly jumping on board, just makes it look like party elites are trying to reverse the primary: a thing that everyday people don't really like the perception of.

The media coverage is irresponsibly out of proportion to the problem but the campaign/WH actively helped bring about this result. Instead of acknowledging Biden's age and that he's not the same guy as he was in 20 they stonewalled and berated the political press. I'm not breaking out the violins for the NYT or anything but that was a bet that has consequences if you lose it and he did in spectacular fashion. Complaining about it isn't going to make it go away and it will dog him until November. This is just the reality we inhabit at this time.

The actual poltical elites of the party have very much held their fire giving him a chance to figure things out. I'm not referring to the screeching donor class. Most of the defections are coming from the middle of the party and you can be certain that the left flank is holding its fire because higher ups have asked them too and they can't be seen holding any knives if he decides to step down.
 

K1052

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JFC. Why would you distance yourself from someone because they are old and had a bad debate. WTF?! How about "The Dems have gotten xyz done under this administration despite efforts from the Project 2025 Party. No matter which Dem is Preaident, we will continue to work for the American people..."

On the flip-side, Republican pieces of shit make no effort to distance themselves from the convicted felon-traitor-rapist. In fact, they prop that shit stain up every chance they get.

Almost like there are two different standards. Republicans are such trash.

Life is not fair and the parties are not the same. Dealing head on with these realities is unavoidable if winning is the objective.
 

ivwshane

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Jon Stewart on target as usual.

"Get on Board or Shut the F#@K UP" is not a particularly compelling pro-democracy bumper sticker.

Jon Stewart Examines Biden’s Future Amidst Calls For Him to Drop Out | The Daily Show

Fantastic pickle the Democratic party has gotten themselves in.

Can we be done with the geriatrics running for President?

I disagree. Stewart was off the mark and in denial of what the reality is. He’s complaining that the democrats/biden should give the people a choice but they already chose when he won the primary. Everyone knew Biden was old and they voted for him anyway. It’s time to move on a rally behind Biden, not complain because the process wasn’t adjusted to fit his/others concerns.
 
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thraashman

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JFC. Why would you distance yourself from someone because they are old and had a bad debate. WTF?! How about "The Dems have gotten xyz done under this administration despite efforts from the Project 2025 Party. No matter which Dem is Preaident, we will continue to work for the American people..."

On the flip-side, Republican pieces of shit make no effort to distance themselves from the convicted felon-traitor-rapist. In fact, they prop that shit stain up every chance they get.

Almost like there are two different standards. Republicans are such trash.
Democrats can never be good enough for the media to stop attacking and Republicans can never be evil enough for the media to bother covering.
 

Brovane

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I disagree. Stewart was off the mark and in denial of what the reality is. He’s complaining that the democrats/biden should give the people a choice but they already chose when he won the primary. Everyone knew Biden was old and they voted for him anyway. It’s time to move on a rally behind Biden, not complain because the process wasn’t adjusted to fit his/others concern:

I think the Democrats and the Biden WH deliberately concealed Biden's cognitive issues because Biden is putting his ego before what is good for the country. The primary really wasn't a true primary because of this subterfuge. What should have happened is Biden should have said he wasn't running in 2024 and allowed Harris and anyone else that wanted to take a crack at getting the nomination to step up and campaign. Now we have a mess 4-months out from a critical election.
 
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