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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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The only reason this race is this close, against Trump, is because of how weak a candidate Biden was before and after the debate. I never attacked Dem policy, you just made all that up in your head - it's amazing the gaslighting that Biden dems are doing now. But if you think the primary driver of election wins is policy, well, then Democrats would win 90% of all the elections. Imagine thinking a candidate doesn't matter, it's what historians say now. The electorate is rational, yep. Sure, in your daydreams maybe. You don't live in the political reality of this country.
I see shotgun approach is your style of refutation. Bound to hit something with a sawed off shotgun.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Me to Biden at this point: You proved everybody wrong in the 20 primary and went on to beat Trump. You can take the win and walk with dignity.

 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I think the Democrats and the Biden WH deliberately concealed Biden's cognitive issues because Biden is putting his ego before what is good for the country. The primary really wasn't a true primary because of this subterfuge. What should have happened is Biden should have said he wasn't running in 2024 and allowed Harris and anyone else that wanted to take a crack at getting the nomination to step up and campaign. Now we have a mess 4-months out from a critical election.

Sure and because of that everyone thought of Biden as some young whippersnapper./eye roll

Biden’s age was a concern the first time he ran and people still voted for him, in fact it was a record amount of people who voted him. Not only that but every subsequent election people kept voting for democrats. And people, again, voted for him in the primary.

No one has been bamboozled.
 

K1052

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Biden’s age was a concern the first time he ran and people still voted for him, in fact it was a record amount of people who voted him. Not only that but every subsequent election people kept voting for democrats. And people, again, voted for him in the primary.

People reserve the right to change their minds in the light of new information and a substantial amount of D voters have done so. I voted for him in the primary and I would not consider the party changing course at this point in the light of *waves arms at everything* to violate that trust. Being able to recognize that the situation has changed and adjust one's view accordingly is not weakness.
 

eelw

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Lol OOOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNOOOOOOOOEEEEEESSSSSSS George Clooney saying Biden should step aside
 
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K1052

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Lol OOOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNOOOOOOOOEEEEEESSSSSSS George Clooney saying Biden should step aside

This is less damaging than what he actually says about Biden's condition.

But the one battle he cannot win is the fight against time. None of us can. It’s devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe “big F-ing deal” Biden of 2010. He wasn’t even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.

Combine with what Stephanopoulos told apparently a total stranger on the street:


https://www.axios.com/2024/07/10/george-stephanopoulos-biden-tmz-apology

  • "I don't think he can serve four more years," Stephanopoulos responds.


The press situation alone is fucked and there is no fixing it.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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What's the obsession with picking candidates on poll numbers?
We all know how it goes if you are releasing a movie and you rely on focus groups. We all know how designing things by committee goes.

Just relying on polls just ensures that whoever has the biggest media presence wins regardless of suitability.
It allows no planning for the future, it takes no account of what happens when a more obscure (but maybe more suitable) candidate gets to show their mettle to the public.
You just end up in this horrible situation where you go "yeah we have this flawed candidate but how, in this country of 300 million people, could we possibly find anyone else?!"
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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What's the obsession with picking candidates on poll numbers?
We all know how it goes if you are releasing a movie and you rely on focus groups. We all know how designing things by committee goes.

Just relying on polls just ensures that whoever has the biggest media presence wins regardless of suitability.
It allows no planning for the future, it takes no account of what happens when a more obscure (but maybe more suitable) candidate gets to show their mettle to the public.
You just end up in this horrible situation where you go "yeah we have this flawed candidate but how, in this country of 300 million people, could we possibly find anyone else?!"
Continued elevation of politics as sport/entertainment, probably.
 
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WelshBloke

Lifer
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Yes but how else would you measure candidate performance and who the 'best' is other than polling? Elections are literally popularity contests.
But how do you measure performance of various candidates if you only give one candidate exposure?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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People reserve the right to change their minds in the light of new information and a substantial amount of D voters have done so. I voted for him in the primary and I would not consider the party changing course at this point in the light of *waves arms at everything* to violate that trust. Being able to recognize that the situation has changed and adjust one's view accordingly is not weakness.

What is this based on? Who are all these people who are changing their minds? I’ve seen one person here say they aren’t voting for Biden (and they said that because it won’t matter in the state they are in).

The problem is that people are waiving their arms and claiming the situation has changed when it in fact has not changed.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Being able to compel exposure is a mark of a strong candidate. If they have to be given it that's not a good sign.
No. You have a party apparatus for a reason. One of those reasons should be the nurturing and exposure of new talent. Otherwise you end up in the situation you are in now.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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What is this based on? Who are all these people who are changing their minds? I’ve seen one person here say they aren’t voting for Biden (and they said that because it won’t matter in the state they are in).

The problem is that people are waiving their arms and claiming the situation has changed when it in fact has not changed.

That's not what I said. It's that more people don't think he should be running than before and that more people would prefer a different candidate than before. Surveys and interviews have made that much crystal clear.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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No. You have a party apparatus for a reason. One of those reasons should be the nurturing and exposure of new talent. Otherwise you end up in the situation you are in now.
If you look at how things actually work this is not very effective. For example the response to the state of the union is the most common place for parties to try and do what you're saying - how often has that worked? Almost never.

People who are good talents elevate themselves by getting attention on their own merits - this is what politics is all about, after all. You don't want someone who you have to gift attention to because they couldn't earn it on their own why would voters?
 
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