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K1052

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I can't help but notice that every Dem politician pushing for Biden to leave are no-name shitstains I've barely heard of.

Well I bet most people can't name their senators let alone ones from other states. Biden knows who they are for sure though. A lot of people know who Pelosi is though and she just went on national TV to all but tell him to call it quits.
 
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WelshBloke

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Debate bounces are not unexpected but they are not typically durable, again ask President Hillary Clinton about this. So far the shift from decent pollsters is smaller than usual. I think that feeds into the idea that the vast majority of the electorate is locked in which considering it's a rematch is not a surprise.

What is unexpected is the firestorm that Biden's performance has touched off in the D political sphere that threatens his candidacy. Pulling a full Trump here is likely not an option because the parties are not the same and he can't have a viable shot without both D political support and donor money, both of which are visibly receding along with a lot of D voter confidence.
This isn't really about the content discussed in the debate though. It's all about Bidens fitness as a candidate.
There were a lot of rumours about him before the debate that we all brushed off. Post debate it's impossible to do that.
 

dank69

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Well I bet most people can't name their senators let alone ones from other states. Biden knows who they are for sure though. A lot of people know who Pelosi is though and she just went on national TV to all but tell him to call it quits.
I thought she said he should do what he thinks is best?
 

K1052

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This isn't really about the content discussed in the debate though. It's all about Bidens fitness as a candidate.
There were a lot of rumours about him before the debate that we all brushed off. Post debate it's impossible to do that.

I mean yes this is basically it. There is no way out of this cycle for him now except to pull the ejection handles.
 

BoomerD

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That's not what I said. It's that more people don't think he should be running than before and that more people would prefer a different candidate than before. Surveys and interviews have made that much crystal clear.
Seems like "more people don't think he should run" because the media is telling them he shouldn't run. It's almost like the media companies and their talking heads have been co-opted by Team Trump.
 

K1052

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Seems like "more people don't think he should run" because the media is telling tbem he shouldn't run. It's almost like the media companies and their talking heads have been co-opted by Team Trump.

They gambled and lost that they could prevent his age and ability from becoming a larger issue. The consequences may be unfair but they are real.
 

WelshBloke

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Seems like "more people don't think he should run" because the media is telling tbem he shouldn't run. It's almost like the media companies and their talking heads have been co-opted by Team Trump.
Or that Biden, on a massive public stage, reinforced all the rumours about him that he and his apparatus have been denying for months?
 
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eelw

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I'm not sure the US will be ready to vote in an openly gay man as president, even in 2028. Would love to be wrong, but I doubt it.
You don’t need the full electorate. Not as if the MAGAtard base will ever vote for a bloody lib. Dems will obviously vote for him. Bet enough ind would be willing also. Especially if Repugnicans still push a MAGAtard
 

K1052

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Clearly Biden brought this on himself to some extent but the media frenzy over it is frankly ridiculous, especially when his opponent is basically unable to speak coherently.

Anybody waiting for the national media to treat Trump like any other candidate:




Hasn't happened in 8 years and it's not going to happen in the next four months.
 

Jaskalas

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I disagree. Stewart was off the mark and in denial of what the reality is. He’s complaining that the democrats/biden should give the people a choice but they already chose when he won the primary. Everyone knew Biden was old and they voted for him anyway. It’s time to move on a rally behind Biden, not complain because the process wasn’t adjusted to fit his/others concerns.
Calling 2024 a primary is a rather bold choice.
 

WelshBloke

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Clearly Biden brought this on himself to some extent but the media frenzy over it is frankly ridiculous, especially when his opponent is basically unable to speak coherently.
I guess that one of Bidens selling points over Trump was that Biden was a lot more coherent than Trump and that he could wipe out Trump in a face to face debate.
 

WelshBloke

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Have he and the apparatus been denying anything though? Or is that yet another narrative pushed by the media?
You haven't noticed the slurs from the right about Biden having dementia for years and the counter claims that it's just because Biden has a speech impediment?
 

ivwshane

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More than one thing can be true at the same time. The amount of voters who switch their vote can be negligible but the amount of voters who really want a different option can be non-negligible and increasing.

Given everything I've seen what would worry me is turnout among the Dem constituency.

So no one is switching their vote then? So what’s the problem?
 

ivwshane

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Well you've obviously tried to get the best candidate you could and ended up with someone that's running neck and neck with Trump! Good going!

Eh? In a system that isn't awash with huge amounts of money controlled by two parties you might have a point.

Same as it was in 2020.
 
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