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Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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Was there any substance to their complaints about his performance prior to the debate, as in, did they take issue with any of the administration's legislative actions, or is it just a vague "he's just not doing a good enough job"?
The border not being secured is a biggie as I work with veterans so we all see security issues in the same light irrespective of party. Also Joe's physical and mental decline has been very obvious for some time now and that cannot be covered up. Sure some outlets will skew videos to try to make it look extra bad but their candidate has shown many of the same traits over the years as well.

Cost of living is a major issue with everyone as we're all impacted by it. While COVID did have a negative impact on our economy many companies have poured on the greed during this administration further accentuating it. Housing prices and insurance costs have spiraled out of control during this administration not to mention car insurance has as well. Utility bills continue to rise too and everybody at work complains about these issues.

Another thing us old veterans aren't going for is the pride push. They get an entire month and we only get a day so go figure. Then there's the EV disaster...keep your electrons to yourself and stop trying to force them on people. Because of that prices of all cars have skyrocketed as manufacturers try to pad profits on ICE vehicles to pay for electrification pricing the majority of working people out of the market. I would love to have a new truck but when I look at those prices....no thanks!

The economy is not doing good and even the service sector is bleeding jobs now. Foreclosures, repos, personal and corporate bankruptcies are on the rise as are store closures none of which bodes well. Stellantis is about to dump more workers this month and I don't think that the federal government should rescue them or any car company again.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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The border not being secured is a biggie as I work with veterans so we all see security issues in the same light irrespective of party. Also Joe's physical and mental decline has been very obvious for some time now and that cannot be covered up. Sure some outlets will skew videos to try to make it look extra bad but their candidate has shown many of the same traits over the years as well.

Cost of living is a major issue with everyone as we're all impacted by it. While COVID did have a negative impact on our economy many companies have poured on the greed during this administration further accentuating it. Housing prices and insurance costs have spiraled out of control during this administration not to mention car insurance has as well. Utility bills continue to rise too and everybody at work complains about these issues.

Another thing us old veterans aren't going for is the pride push. They get an entire month and we only get a day so go figure. Then there's the EV disaster...keep your electrons to yourself and stop trying to force them on people. Because of that prices of all cars have skyrocketed as manufacturers try to pad profits on ICE vehicles to pay for electrification pricing the majority of working people out of the market. I would love to have a new truck but when I look at those prices....no thanks!

The economy is not doing good and even the service sector is bleeding jobs now. Foreclosures, repos, personal and corporate bankruptcies are on the rise as are store closures none of which bodes well. Stellantis is about to dump more workers this month and I don't think that the federal government should rescue them or any car company again.
What counts as a secure border? 0 people crossing into the country? Conservatives do fuck all to actually secure the border. Biden handed them everything they wanted and Trump torpedoed it.

So you want the government to enact price controls? Because otherwise there is little any president can do here. That's just companies being greedy. If you want less expensive housing then supply needs to meet demand. We're nowhere near that.

How many LGBTQ people get discounts when they buy stuff? "Thank you for your service" everywhere they go? Acknowledgments at sporting events? Are conservatives trying to outlaw your existence?

Good news there are plenty of vehicles at the 20-30k price range brand new. Even the Chevy bolt is only $27k before the tax credit. Just don't buy a truck you don't need but once a year. If you're buying for your preferences, then your paying a premium on them instead of buying what you actually need. All manufacturers are going for the SUV/CUV segment because that's where the most sales and profits are. Or buy a gently used car. I got my Mazda 3 a year old for $15k. Sticker brand new was 22k at the time.

Overall the economy is doing pretty well. Unemployment numbers are still very good. Companies laying of people is obviously not good (especially tech companies which is often pure greed) but again not something the government controls. Certainly not the president. If you want better employee protections then you should be voting for people who enact laws as such and support unionization.

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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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What counts as a secure border? 0 people crossing into the country? Conservatives do fuck all to actually secure the border. Biden handed them everything they wanted and Trump torpedoed it.

So you want the government to enact price controls? Because otherwise there is little any president can do here. That's just companies being greedy. If you want less expensive housing then supply needs to meet demand. We're nowhere near that.

How many LGBTQ people get discounts when they buy stuff? "Thank you for your service" everywhere they go? Acknowledgments at spring events? Are conservatives trying to outlaw your existence?

Good news there are plenty of vehicles at the 20-30k price range brand new. Even the Chevy bolt is only $27k before the tax credit. Just don't buy a truck you don't need but once a year. If you're buying for your preferences, then your paying a premium on them instead of buying what you actually need. All manufacturers are going for the SUV/CUV segment because that's where the most sales and profits are. Or buy a gently used car. I got my Mazda 3 a year old for $15k. Sticker brand new was 22k at the time.

Overall the economy is doing pretty well. Unemployment numbers are still very good. Companies laying of people is obviously not good (especially tech companies which is often pure greed) but again not something the government controls. Certainly not the president. If you want better employee protections then you should be voting for people who enact laws as such and support unionization.
Puffy is pretty facts immune. Dude still thinks Reagan got the Iran hostages released instead of prolonging their captivity for political gain.
 

NWRMidnight

Platinum Member
Jun 18, 2001
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I wasn't trying to be a dick, I was just saying it wasn't a presidential election year. I didn't think there was enough info in your statement to me to find it by searching. Thanks for providing the year so I can look it up.
My bad! Sorry!

You didn't need the specific year as it's only happened one time in our nations history.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Cost of living is a major issue with everyone as we're all impacted by it. While COVID did have a negative impact on our economy many companies have poured on the greed during this administration further accentuating it. Housing prices and insurance costs have spiraled out of control during this administration not to mention car insurance has as well. Utility bills continue to rise too and everybody at work complains about these issues.

The economy is not doing good and even the service sector is bleeding jobs now. Foreclosures, repos, personal and corporate bankruptcies are on the rise as are store closures none of which bodes well. Stellantis is about to dump more workers this month and I don't think that the federal government should rescue them or any car company again.

The good news is that Trump has lots of appealing economic policy on tap like tariffs that will raise the cost of everything and more corporate tax cuts. If he takes over the Fed and slashes rates to almost nothing people will see what real 50% inflation looks like.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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The good news is that Trump has lots of appealing economic policy on tap like tariffs that will raise the cost of everything and more corporate tax cuts. If he takes over the Fed and slashes rates to almost nothing people will see what real 50% inflation looks like.

But that's like rocket science to 70% of America who have no clue about cause and effect.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Tim Ryan a Democratic congressman from Ohio for 20 years until last year, has openly called for Biden to step down and Harris to replace him. The shit show begins folks!
 

spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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At a private fund raising event this weekend, Biden used a teleprompter for his 15 minute speech (this was an informal speech to some deep pocket donors). Not the best way to inspire confidence in light of his current situation.

But according to Anthony Scaramucci, he did read it quite well.
 
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thraashman

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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Tim Ryan a Democratic congressman from Ohio for 20 years until last year, has openly called for Biden to step down and Harris to replace him. The shit show begins folks!
Sounds like he's continuing his push rightward that he did when trying to beat rightwing extremist lunatic J.D. Vance for an Ohio Senate seat.
 
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At a private fund raising event this weekend, Biden used a teleprompter for his 15 minute speech (this was an informal speech to some deep pocket donors). Not the best way to inspire confidence in light of his current situation.

But according to Anthony Scaramucci, he did read it quite well.
Everyone uses a teleprompter or notes of some sort for public speaking. This is nothing unusual in any sort of public speaking.
 

spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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Everyone uses a teleprompter or notes of some sort for public speaking. This is nothing unusual in any sort of public speaking.

Scaramucci's post quickly went viral.

"He uses a teleprompter at a fundraiser?" former CNN host Brian Stelter reacted.

"A teleprompter at a fundraiser??" former Rep. Scott Taylor, R-Va., exclaimed.

"Nothing inspires confidence like having to use a teleprompter for a few minutes of remarks at a fundraiser," Denver radio host Ross Kaminsky wrote.

"If he’s using a teleprompter at a fundraiser, everything else written here is irrelevant," CNN contributor Shermichael Singleton said. "Why would he need to be scripted at a private, closed-off event with a small number of people? Having worked for three presidential candidates and one president, I have never seen any of them use a teleprompter at private fundraisers—there’s simply never been a need. Clearly, the perpetual reliance on scripting the POTUS is done for a reason, and it’s not a good one."
 

JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
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The border not being secured is a biggie as I work with veterans so we all see security issues in the same light irrespective of party. Also Joe's physical and mental decline has been very obvious for some time now and that cannot be covered up. Sure some outlets will skew videos to try to make it look extra bad but their candidate has shown many of the same traits over the years as well.

Cost of living is a major issue with everyone as we're all impacted by it. While COVID did have a negative impact on our economy many companies have poured on the greed during this administration further accentuating it. Housing prices and insurance costs have spiraled out of control during this administration not to mention car insurance has as well. Utility bills continue to rise too and everybody at work complains about these issues.

Another thing us old veterans aren't going for is the pride push. They get an entire month and we only get a day so go figure. Then there's the EV disaster...keep your electrons to yourself and stop trying to force them on people. Because of that prices of all cars have skyrocketed as manufacturers try to pad profits on ICE vehicles to pay for electrification pricing the majority of working people out of the market. I would love to have a new truck but when I look at those prices....no thanks!

The economy is not doing good and even the service sector is bleeding jobs now. Foreclosures, repos, personal and corporate bankruptcies are on the rise as are store closures none of which bodes well. Stellantis is about to dump more workers this month and I don't think that the federal government should rescue them or any car company again.
May is military appreciation month lmao, weird that you and other "veterans" are so concerned about Pride month you didn't even know this.

 
Dec 10, 2005
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Scaramucci's post quickly went viral.

"He uses a teleprompter at a fundraiser?" former CNN host Brian Stelter reacted.

"A teleprompter at a fundraiser??" former Rep. Scott Taylor, R-Va., exclaimed.

"Nothing inspires confidence like having to use a teleprompter for a few minutes of remarks at a fundraiser," Denver radio host Ross Kaminsky wrote.

"If he’s using a teleprompter at a fundraiser, everything else written here is irrelevant," CNN contributor Shermichael Singleton said. "Why would he need to be scripted at a private, closed-off event with a small number of people? Having worked for three presidential candidates and one president, I have never seen any of them use a teleprompter at private fundraisers—there’s simply never been a need. Clearly, the perpetual reliance on scripting the POTUS is done for a reason, and it’s not a good one."
Yeah, everyone in the pundit class likes to jerk off over the most asinine things.

"My best man read off a piece of paper at my wedding."

"This speaker read off her slide notes using presenter view during a small, private scientific symposium."

"Blah blah blah had note cards at [insert event]."

It's all bupkis chum that 24 hour news and social media love to churn for clicks.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
46,859
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Scaramucci's post quickly went viral.

"He uses a teleprompter at a fundraiser?" former CNN host Brian Stelter reacted.

"A teleprompter at a fundraiser??" former Rep. Scott Taylor, R-Va., exclaimed.

"Nothing inspires confidence like having to use a teleprompter for a few minutes of remarks at a fundraiser," Denver radio host Ross Kaminsky wrote.

"If he’s using a teleprompter at a fundraiser, everything else written here is irrelevant," CNN contributor Shermichael Singleton said. "Why would he need to be scripted at a private, closed-off event with a small number of people? Having worked for three presidential candidates and one president, I have never seen any of them use a teleprompter at private fundraisers—there’s simply never been a need. Clearly, the perpetual reliance on scripting the POTUS is done for a reason, and it’s not a good one."

AFAIK Trump uses prepared remarks for his but often veers off them (hard to believe).
 

spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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AFAIK Trump uses prepared remarks for his but often veers off them (hard to believe).

This was a quick informal speech to small crowd (around 40 people) at a private fund raiser... If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Mr Squished wasn't lying about the Biden cultists here who can't see why using a teleprompter in this setting isn't a good sign.
 
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K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Americans: We need an energetic President who speaks off the cuff constantly.

Trump: No problem.

Americans a bit later: Not like that.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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The border not being secured is a biggie as I work with veterans so we all see security issues in the same light irrespective of party. Also Joe's physical and mental decline has been very obvious for some time now and that cannot be covered up. Sure some outlets will skew videos to try to make it look extra bad but their candidate has shown many of the same traits over the years as well.
I mean, there was a bipartisan bill put together for the border that Trump torpedoed, but okay, that's Biden's fault.
Cost of living is a major issue with everyone as we're all impacted by it. While COVID did have a negative impact on our economy many companies have poured on the greed during this administration further accentuating it. Housing prices and insurance costs have spiraled out of control during this administration not to mention car insurance has as well. Utility bills continue to rise too and everybody at work complains about these issues.

Another thing us old veterans aren't going for is the pride push. They get an entire month and we only get a day so go figure. Then there's the EV disaster...keep your electrons to yourself and stop trying to force them on people. Because of that prices of all cars have skyrocketed as manufacturers try to pad profits on ICE vehicles to pay for electrification pricing the majority of working people out of the market. I would love to have a new truck but when I look at those prices....no thanks!

The economy is not doing good and even the service sector is bleeding jobs now. Foreclosures, repos, personal and corporate bankruptcies are on the rise as are store closures none of which bodes well. Stellantis is about to dump more workers this month and I don't think that the federal government should rescue them or any car company again.
So... mostly no, not specific legislative actions, just wishy-washy "do better!" That is more or less what I expected.
May is military appreciation month lmao, weird that you and other "veterans" are so concerned about Pride month you didn't even know this.

Every fuckin' year this shit comes out of them, and every year they "forget" this. I've got a bunch of older veterans in my family too, but they don't whine about Pride month because they're not stupid. My dad probably does, but he's a homophobe like Puffnstuff.
 
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K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Every fuckin' year this shit comes out of them, and every year they "forget" this. I've got a bunch of older veterans in my family too, but they don't whine about Pride month because they're not stupid. My dad probably does, but he's a homophobe like Puffnstuff.

See also every time black history month rolls around.
 
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This was a quick informal speech to small crowd (around 40 people) at a private fund raiser... If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Mr Squished wasn't lying about the Biden cultists here who can't see why using a teleprompter in this setting isn't a good sign.
Biden has a stutter. He doesn't always do well speaking off the cuff. This is nothing new. One of the ways he has learned to cope with his stutter is to have prepared remarks that he has practiced and edited to avoid words that can trip him up.

People that make a big deal out of this are just insane.

We have a guy that wants to live out revenge fantasies in Trump 2: Electric Boogaloo, and we feel the need to bring up the fucking teleprompter!?

Edit: and there are videos of Biden speaking more off the cuff. See his hour long interview with Howard Stern last month.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Imagine still saying that this is about a stutter. The gaslighting, or insane cognitive dissonance, is incredibly arrogant at this point. It's what got us into this shit show brought upon us by the Dem party. These people are so far detached from reality on this topic, it's almost MAGA like in intensity.

This was a quick informal speech to small crowd (around 40 people) at a private fund raiser... If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Mr Squished wasn't lying about the Biden cultists here who can't see why using a teleprompter in this setting isn't a good sign.

Thanks. It's good to see that a good amount of people here are seeing past the gaslighting of these Biden mini-cultists. Some of us were 1,000% right to be concerned about Biden's mental faculties due to aging this whole time, and insisting the Dems have potentially fucked us with this gamble. Well, the Dems lost this gamble and unfortunately we were correct.

My 80 year old mother, lifelong Democrat, who never says a bad thing about anyone, although she does agree with me that the MAGA people are insane and bad, she just wont' say it herself, saw Biden in the debate and said, nice decent man but doesn't have 'it' to be president anymore.


Vox has an interesting article on the various stay vs dropout discussion

 
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