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Bitek

Lifer
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They can’t afford to do that because there’s a good chance there is no free and fair election in 2028 if Trump wins.

Remember, even you admitted he tried a coup last time he was in office. You really want to give someone like that power again?

So that's why Biden and the rest of the Dems did the patriotic act, not run again, and let the strongest candidate win the primary?

You are telling me they actually believe this, yet that was the right thing to do?

And I should reward their hubris and deceit with my vote?

OR, perhaps they also only care about power and ego, and peddle this scare tactic because they have no better arguments?
 

Bitek

Lifer
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Every VP that runs following the terming out of the President they served is effectively doing this.

Not effective. You have to win a primary. You have to get vetted, you have to win the debates, you have to win votes.

Harris has done none of these things
 

K1052

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I'm so disappointed in democratic leadership for allowing this to get this far along so late in the day.

Typically the first presidential debate occurs in late September. Let me put it this way: If you are taking a long trip would you rather have your car throw a rod 5 minutes from your house or halfway through Death Valley?
 

K1052

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Not effective. You have to win a primary. You have to get vetted, you have to win the debates, you have to win votes.

Harris has done none of these things

She's already on the ticket which people are voting for which is more than I can say for Newsom, Whitmer, etc. The most expected outcome if either Tump or Biden could not/would not accept the nomination is that the VP would take up the mantle for both political and practical reasons.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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Thanks for finally admitting it!

I wonder what your younger self would have thought about you coming down to deciding two and a half centuries of American democracy doesn’t matter.

Your expecting him/others to be more selfless and patriotic than the sitting US president you want him to vote for.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
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She's already on the ticket which people are voting for which is more than I can say for Newsom, Whitmer, etc. The most expected outcome if either Tump or Biden could not/would not accept the nomination is that the VP would take up the mantle for both political and practical reasons.

And this is why its not the same. The party never got the opportunity to vote for Harris, or anyone else is a fair and free primary election.

She's there as Biden's +1.
 

fskimospy

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And this is why its not the same. The party never got the opportunity to vote for Harris, or anyone else is a fair and free primary election.

She's there as Biden's +1.
The party had a free, fair, and open primary that literally anyone in the country could have chosen to run in.

Biden won fair and square.
 
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Indus

Lifer
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She's already on the ticket which people are voting for which is more than I can say for Newsom, Whitmer, etc. The most expected outcome if either Tump or Biden could not/would not accept the nomination is that the VP would take up the mantle for both political and practical reasons.

I think people are still in denial.. that a dictatorship is coming.

The same denial that Trump could win in 2016.
The same denial that planes on 9/11 could happen.
The same denial that a mass shooting is actually happening.

The ones hoping to play dead by voting for Trump aren't exactly going to survive the Project 2025 revenge tour.
He's made it abundantly clear.

And I come from a family of refugees. My grandfather and 2 of my uncles were killed by Muslims in pogrom and our lands grabbed. My grandmother survived with 3 little kids under the age of 10, 1 of which was my dad.

I'll leave the US if I have to. I'm just not in denial as I know those that react the fastest with a plan survive.


 

yottabit

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The party had a free, fair, and open primary that literally anyone in the country could have chosen to run in.

Biden won fair and square.
And this is why its not the same. The party never got the opportunity to vote for Harris, or anyone else is a fair and free primary election.

She's there as Biden's +1.
You vote for the VP with the expectation they’ll take over if the President can’t continue, right? So it wouldn’t really be cheating the primary voters… that transition would just be happening much sooner. Anyone that voted Biden/Harris, especially given Biden’s age, is implicitly supporting Harris as the backup option for president
 
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fskimospy

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You vote for the VP with the expectation they’ll take over if the President can’t continue, right? So it wouldn’t really be cheating the primary voters… that transition would just be happening much sooner. Anyone that voted Biden/Harris, especially given Biden’s age, is implicitly supporting Harris as the backup option for president
I think his claim is that the Democratic primary was somehow closed or unfair or whatever, which is ridiculous nonsense.
 

K1052

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And this is why its not the same. The party never got the opportunity to vote for Harris, or anyone else is a fair and free primary election.

She's there as Biden's +1.

Did primary voters comprehend that she was on the ticket when they voted? She's got more of a claim to legitimacy than anybody else mentioned.
 

K1052

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I think his claim is that the Democratic primary was somehow closed or unfair or whatever, which is ridiculous nonsense.

People simply refusing to see the difference between can they or will they. Incumbent presidents do not really get challenged from inside their own party and when it's been tried it hasn't worked out at all. See also 2024 GOP primary.
 
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eelw

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Why did the DNC not make several relatively savvy politicians immolate their political futures?

Must be a conspiracy for Biden.
Gives hints to the orange monkey. Your fans will love you even more!!!
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
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The DNC is complicit in hiding his real issues from the voting public. All donor money should cease until this issue is addressed. I do not want Trump or any R to win nor do I want a vegetable at the helm.
 

Indus

Lifer
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The DNC is complicit in hiding his real issues from the voting public. All donor money should cease until this issue is addressed. I do not want Trump or any R to win nor do I want a vegetable at the helm.

Since you don't want 2 things, you'll get stuck with 1 of the 2 things.
 
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iRONic

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I'm so disappointed in democratic leadership for allowing this to get this far along so late in the day.
That's totally your right. Judging by the temperature of the room/nation right now you're not the only one.

Just don't get all squishy on us. Hit the “D” box at the top of your ballot on November 5 and hope that democracy will continue.
 
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K1052

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Few more house D withdrawal requests coming out today so far. Lot of glowing assessments of Biden's accomplishments and everybody saying something like "time to pass the torch".
 
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