I am not included in that "we" circa 2008 Not sure if the "we" there is Democrats, independents, or ATP&N.
I am not included in that "we" circa 2008 Not sure if the "we" there is Democrats, independents, or ATP&N.As pointed out above, we probably don't consider Obama a "boring" guy. He certainly wasn't in 2008's wave.
As for my comment about confidence, most of the objections to Biden stepping aside are from those that don't believe Harris can win in the swing states.* So comparisons to Gore and HRC won't assuage those concerns. I agree boring is not a disqualifier; it didn't disqualify Joe Biden in 2020, even when it looked like he was running behind some of the main contenders.
* Until recently, I was one and I still harbor doubts. But I'm also a realist, and the Biden reelection bid is not looking good right now. It's actually a minor miracle we're only down 2 points nationally; perhaps it could be even worse LOL. Nor should we minimize how bad the swing state polls are looking. Regardless of the candidate, something has to change between now and Election day for Dems to win the rigged EC. Also keep in mind that politically, Harris will be seen as a proxy for the Biden administration. So besides Joe's age, all the reasons voters are unhappy will just slide over to Harris/Shapiro. It's bullshit, but a lot of voters think the national economy is in the crapper and that dark-skinned migrants are on a crime and killing spree.
So to be clear, I'm in the same camp as @K1052, @repoman0 and yourself: something about this campaign needs to change and fairly soon to win in November. If Biden suddenly becomes the near-perfect candidate, with zero speaking flubs outside of an occasional harmless gaffe, I'd accept that. But the status quo of low confidence and further defections from prominent elected Dems is just not sustainable.
A single house member isn’t going to be primarily responsible for anything unless they are in leadership. She’s an effective communicator though.I’m a Pete fan but what has AOC actually accomplished?
I agree and in committee hearings she does seem to have a really sharp wit and able to really grill on meaningful issues. It's not all grandstanding.A single house member isn’t going to be primarily responsible for anything unless they are in leadership. She’s an effective communicator though.
Not if you don't want to be. I'm sure you remember 2008's Hope and change motto. Obama is a really good orator, beginning with his 2004 DNC break-out. I don't think many people would agree that Obama was a "boring" candidate was my point.I am not included in that "we" circa 2008 Not sure if the "we" there is Democrats, independents, or ATP&N.
Yes, he was absolutely a good orator. That does not rise to the level of "interesting", but is certainly a useful skill for someone with his goals. We can agree to disagree, I think I could find many people that would agree he was a boring candidate.Not if you don't want to be. I'm sure you remember 2008's Hope and change motto. Obama is a really good orator, beginning with his 2004 DNC break-out. I don't think many people would agree that Obama was a "boring" candidate was my point.
Bill Clinton was not boring, that's true.Clinton and Obama were both pretty interesting and witty. Much different candidates than the norm.
VP isn't about accomplishments. And it's not like 45 had any merits behind him.
Or maybe he'll use it as extra motivation?Hard to believe he is anything but cursed this year.
Say it with me: Long Covid - Brainfog. He is going to be speaking in tongues. Maybe he accidentally casts a spell on Trump and his head explodes?Hard to believe he is anything but cursed this year.
Have to take this with a giant grain of salt. The Biden inner circle has been gaslighting us for months about Biden's condition. Quite possible they hadn't had him all juiced up and ready to go, or he needed a few days rest, or they are just trying to slow things down. I don't believe anything coming out of the Biden White house at this point in regards to Biden's health, condition, or anything about his campaign, they have lied so much and are so out of touch with reality.Hard to believe he is anything but cursed this year.
It is my contention that Obama would never have risen above the pack if not for Obama Girl. He was another guy in a suit before she drew attention to him.Yes, he was absolutely a good orator. That does not rise to the level of "interesting", but is certainly a useful skill for someone with his goals. We can agree to disagree, I think I could find many people that would agree he was a boring candidate.
Obama became quite famous from his DNC speech in 2004.It is my contention that Obama would never have risen above the pack if not for Obama Girl. He was another guy in a suit before she drew attention to him.
Only to people who watch convention speeches.Obama became quite famous from his DNC speech in 2004.
Typical conservative, truth is whatever you feel. Keep it up. Pretty soon you'll start thinking that people who disagree with you belong to a cult.Have to take this with a giant grain of salt. The Biden inner circle has been gaslighting us for months about Biden's condition. Quite possible they hadn't had him all juiced up and ready to go, or he needed a few days rest, or they are just trying to slow things down. I don't believe anything coming out of the Biden White house at this point in regards to Biden's health, condition, or anything about his campaign, they have lied so much and are so out of touch with reality.
Only to people who watch convention speeches.