***Offficial Rock Band 2 Thread****

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
As far as the difficulty goes, I'm not sure if you guys were arguing about it, but anybody who thinks RB guitar difficulty is equal or better to GH either hasn't played one or both games, or has to play on easy all the time and doesn't know the difference.

No, no one could logically argue that Rock Band's guitar difficulty is harder than GH3's. However, Rock Band 2's guitar is significantly harder than Rock Band 1's.

The only song I've EVER failed in RB1 is Green Grass & High Tides on Expert, and even that is easy to me now. Bodhitsattva (sp?), Chop Suey, Shackler's Revenge, Painkiller and others have bested me at least once or twice on Expert in Rock Band 2.

So for Jbourne to claim RB2 doesn't up the difficulty from RB1 is just silly.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: blurredvision
As far as the difficulty goes, I'm not sure if you guys were arguing about it, but anybody who thinks RB guitar difficulty is equal or better to GH either hasn't played one or both games, or has to play on easy all the time and doesn't know the difference.

No, no one could logically argue that Rock Band's guitar difficulty is harder than GH3's. However, Rock Band 2's guitar is significantly harder than Rock Band 1's.

The only song I've EVER failed in RB1 is Green Grass & High Tides on Expert, and even that is easy to me now. Bodhitsattva (sp?), Chop Suey, Shackler's Revenge, Painkiller and others have bested me at least once or twice on Expert in Rock Band 2.

So for Jbourne to claim RB2 doesn't up the difficulty from RB1 is just silly.

damn you guys!!!

I can't beat flirting with disaster on hard.

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
This place is a shit hole running rampant with petulant little brats. Someone ban me already.

If we were really little brats, we would easily fall for your Argumentum ad populum, but that only works on morons. You're free to go to another forum with a RB2-centric thread and accuse anyone who prefers RB to GH of being a fanboy. I'm sure you'll get a much better reception there.

But seriously, you know you don't have to be banned to leave? You can just hit that 'X' up in the corner at anytime.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: blurredvision
As far as the difficulty goes, I'm not sure if you guys were arguing about it, but anybody who thinks RB guitar difficulty is equal or better to GH either hasn't played one or both games, or has to play on easy all the time and doesn't know the difference.

No, no one could logically argue that Rock Band's guitar difficulty is harder than GH3's. However, Rock Band 2's guitar is significantly harder than Rock Band 1's.

The only song I've EVER failed in RB1 is Green Grass & High Tides on Expert, and even that is easy to me now. Bodhitsattva (sp?), Chop Suey, Shackler's Revenge, Painkiller and others have bested me at least once or twice on Expert in Rock Band 2.

So for Jbourne to claim RB2 doesn't up the difficulty from RB1 is just silly.

Well why didn't you say so! Your little 5 song test in a vacuum is so definitive, I can't believe I had the audacity to challenge such iron-clad evidence. Shame on me! I failed to recognize that your own personal experiences should have trumped my own when I formed my opinion on the games, and for that I apologize.

Sorry, but the difference in difficulty between RB and RB2 - IN MY OPINION (a phrase you desperately need to add to your vocabulary, child) - is negligible at best.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: CKDragon
But seriously, you know you don't have to be banned to leave? You can just hit that 'X' up in the corner at anytime.

What, and miss out on a squadron of geeks arguing with one another over how each other's opinions are dirt because they weren't forged from the same lunacy as their own?

It's amusing enough that I need to be herded away forcibly. Or to have a project to come across my desk. Either one will suffice.

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: blurredvision
As far as the difficulty goes, I'm not sure if you guys were arguing about it, but anybody who thinks RB guitar difficulty is equal or better to GH either hasn't played one or both games, or has to play on easy all the time and doesn't know the difference.

No, no one could logically argue that Rock Band's guitar difficulty is harder than GH3's. However, Rock Band 2's guitar is significantly harder than Rock Band 1's.

The only song I've EVER failed in RB1 is Green Grass & High Tides on Expert, and even that is easy to me now. Bodhitsattva (sp?), Chop Suey, Shackler's Revenge, Painkiller and others have bested me at least once or twice on Expert in Rock Band 2.

So for Jbourne to claim RB2 doesn't up the difficulty from RB1 is just silly.

Well why didn't you say so! Your little 5 song test in a vacuum is so definitive, I can't believe I had the audacity to challenge such iron-clad evidence. Shame on me! I failed to recognize that your own personal experiences should have trumped my own when I formed my opinion on the games, and for that I apologize.

Sorry, but the difference in difficulty between RB and RB2 - IN MY OPINION (a phrase you desperately need to add to your vocabulary, child) - is negligible at best.

No, I'll say it outright. If a person does not notice the difficulty jump, that person is an idiot. Get your head checked.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
I'll post my opinion, but I'm not going to get involved in this argument since I already have enough crap on my plate, what with the arguments in the Wii threads that I've started. I mostly agree with jbourne.

- I think GH is more fun as the single-player experience when having to choose between the two. It's more challenging and rewarding, mainly because up to this point, it's focused mainly on great guitar songs, and that's it.
- I think RB is much better with others, and not so much alone, because the song selection is mostly focused on good overall songs that are fun for a group. Lots of songs in RB have pretty simple note charts and such due to the nature of the game.

I think GHWT will end up more like RB, since the song list now resembles RB because of the band experience. As far as the difficulty goes, I'm not sure if you guys were arguing about it, but anybody who thinks RB guitar difficulty is equal or better to GH either hasn't played one or both games, or has to play on easy all the time and doesn't know the difference.

The best way I can describe it is GH feels more "energizing", while RB (1 and 2) feels like a chore. Now, when my wife is playing the drums and the kids are screaming into the microphone, you can't beat the experience... but when being discussed in the context of guitar alone, it just doesn't get it done for me.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: blurredvision
As far as the difficulty goes, I'm not sure if you guys were arguing about it, but anybody who thinks RB guitar difficulty is equal or better to GH either hasn't played one or both games, or has to play on easy all the time and doesn't know the difference.

No, no one could logically argue that Rock Band's guitar difficulty is harder than GH3's. However, Rock Band 2's guitar is significantly harder than Rock Band 1's.

The only song I've EVER failed in RB1 is Green Grass & High Tides on Expert, and even that is easy to me now. Bodhitsattva (sp?), Chop Suey, Shackler's Revenge, Painkiller and others have bested me at least once or twice on Expert in Rock Band 2.

So for Jbourne to claim RB2 doesn't up the difficulty from RB1 is just silly.

Well why didn't you say so! Your little 5 song test in a vacuum is so definitive, I can't believe I had the audacity to challenge such iron-clad evidence. Shame on me! I failed to recognize that your own personal experiences should have trumped my own when I formed my opinion on the games, and for that I apologize.

Sorry, but the difference in difficulty between RB and RB2 - IN MY OPINION (a phrase you desperately need to add to your vocabulary, child) - is negligible at best.

No, I'll say it outright. If a person does not notice the difficulty jump, that person is an idiot. Get your head checked.

If you can't leave room for interpretations other than you own - especially on something so inherently subjective - you're a complete jackass and can't possibly be taken seriously.

At least you've proven my point.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: blurredvision
As far as the difficulty goes, I'm not sure if you guys were arguing about it, but anybody who thinks RB guitar difficulty is equal or better to GH either hasn't played one or both games, or has to play on easy all the time and doesn't know the difference.

No, no one could logically argue that Rock Band's guitar difficulty is harder than GH3's. However, Rock Band 2's guitar is significantly harder than Rock Band 1's.

The only song I've EVER failed in RB1 is Green Grass & High Tides on Expert, and even that is easy to me now. Bodhitsattva (sp?), Chop Suey, Shackler's Revenge, Painkiller and others have bested me at least once or twice on Expert in Rock Band 2.

So for Jbourne to claim RB2 doesn't up the difficulty from RB1 is just silly.

Well, I'll definitely agree with this. RB2 is definitely a bit more challenging than RB1 on a few songs.

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: jbourne77No, I'll say it outright. If a person does not notice the difficulty jump, that person is an idiot. Get your head checked.

If you can't leave room for interpretations other than you own - especially on something so inherently subjective - you're a complete jackass and can't possibly be taken seriously.

You're right, note quantity, placement, tempo are all subjective things, there is absolutely no way that those factors can be quantified. It's subjective.

Head. Checked.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: jbourne77No, I'll say it outright. If a person does not notice the difficulty jump, that person is an idiot. Get your head checked.

If you can't leave room for interpretations other than you own - especially on something so inherently subjective - you're a complete jackass and can't possibly be taken seriously.

You're right, note quantity, placement, tempo are all subjective things, there is absolutely no way that those factors can be quantified. It's subjective.

Head. Checked.

Using your own "scientific methods": RB2 is every bit as easy/challenging as RB1 for me, and that goes for all songs, not just 5.

Jack. Ass.

 

[gorcorps]

<covers ears> mommy, daddy quit fighting you're ruining my birthday party

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: jbourne77No, I'll say it outright. If a person does not notice the difficulty jump, that person is an idiot. Get your head checked.

If you can't leave room for interpretations other than you own - especially on something so inherently subjective - you're a complete jackass and can't possibly be taken seriously.

You're right, note quantity, placement, tempo are all subjective things, there is absolutely no way that those factors can be quantified. It's subjective.

Head. Checked.

Using your own "scientific methods": RB2 is every bit as easy/challenging as RB1 for me, and that goes for all songs, not just 5.

Jack. Ass.

I have no experience playing on Medium/Hard, so if that's your argument, have at it. If you're talking about Expert, you're wrong.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: jbourne77No, I'll say it outright. If a person does not notice the difficulty jump, that person is an idiot. Get your head checked.

If you can't leave room for interpretations other than you own - especially on something so inherently subjective - you're a complete jackass and can't possibly be taken seriously.

You're right, note quantity, placement, tempo are all subjective things, there is absolutely no way that those factors can be quantified. It's subjective.

Head. Checked.

Using your own "scientific methods": RB2 is every bit as easy/challenging as RB1 for me, and that goes for all songs, not just 5.

Jack. Ass.

I have no experience playing on Medium/Hard, so if that's your argument, have at it. If you're talking about Expert, you're wrong.

Admittedly, I can't/don't play expert. What I like about GH 3 (haven't played 1 or 2) is that the Medium setting is 4-fretted, but very challenging. I broke my left pinky a couple years ago and it literally healed at a 45 degree angle. Five frets is, quite literally, painful as hell. Sometimes I can manage hard, but if I have to shift positions a lot, it hurts (this starting to sound a little explicit).

Rock Band's Medium setting and Guitar Hero's Medium setting are nowhere near equal. RB's medium is a walk in the park, but the hard setting uses 5 frets. GH's medium is essentially RB's hard, but without the 5th fret.

That aside, I still stand by my assertion that the Rock Band interface is way too sterile. GH is a little too cartoony for me, but I'd take it over the 8-bit interface of Rock Band. Again, it's more "energetic" in my opinion.

 

[jdport]

If you are looking at guitar alone, GH probably is more difficult over all.... but you have to admit that RB2 is a LOT harder than RB1, and is much closer to GH than RB1 was. I didn't find the majority of the songs to be that difficult, but the top tier of songs is as tough as just about anything in GH, and they are almost all tougher than GGAHT. If you take away songs like TTFAF and Jordan, which were put in to be ridiculously difficult and for no other reason, what songs in GH are that much tougher than pinkiller, visions, peace sells, bhodivista (sp?) and the like? Combined with the fact that Rock Band doesn't have an infinite front window on their HO/PO's and is much more along the lines of GH2 HO/PO's I think you could make the argument that RB2 is as tough as Guitar Hero.

At any rate, I would encourage anybody who doesn't care about anything except the difficulty of the guitar parts to stick with GH because I get tired of hearing about how easy rock band is and how it sucks because of that. Rock Band is all about the full band experience, it's more about getting together with your friends and drinking a few beers while having fun with great music than it is hard core competetive playing.

It will be interesting to see what GH:WT is like, I am betting since they are going full band that it will be more like Rock Band. If they try to stick with the hard core guitar stuff, it seems like the rest of the band stuff will suffer... but I guess we really won't know for another month or so. I'm looking forward to it. I love Rock Band 2, my sole complaint right now is that there is no nice list of songs with my individual scores and stars. Maybe that'll get patched in... who knows. I'm not posting this as a Fan Boy though, I truly love both RB and GH.... I've been playing GH since GH1 and I don't plan on stopping now. They are both great games, and I hope they will both continue to be great for a long time.

I also hope they can both quit building new instruments and focus on the game itself because they are driving me to bankruptcy

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I don't think it is a minority opinion that gh looks like crap

It certainly isn't opinion that they overchart or that the timing window is ridiculously long and stupid.

No one argues that they overchart or that the window is larger; that's not what's in dispute. What's in dispute is which is MORE FUN, and if you're a guitar player, the general consensus is that GH is more fun and immersive. The window is larger, but more notes makes up for it, and the net result is a more engaging experience. If I gave a fuck about how realistic it was, I'd pick up my real guitar.

Look buddy, someone asked me what I was looking for in RB2, and this is it. This is what a LOT of guitarists were looking for in RB2. If you're happy with RB2, that's great, but people aren't required to agree with you. Rock Band does the whole party experience well, but it's hard to really measure it without any other players on the scene. If GHWT can live up to RB's bar AND keep their guitar roots in tact, you'll see a shift I believe. GH's biggest weakness has been DLC, NOT guitar.

Lol Look buddy lol.


Is GH guitar harder? Yes I never said it wasn't. Is it more fun? Not in my opinion. GH2 was more fun GH3 is crap IMO. It is my opinion you don't have to agree with me or cry about it.

I will say one thing... I haven't wanted to smash my guitar to pieces out of frustration with RB2 yet. So I guess in that sense it is more fun.

I almost smashed it through my TV when I was first trying to beat GH3's Aeroshit song and Slipknot and Lou.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: blurredvision
As far as the difficulty goes, I'm not sure if you guys were arguing about it, but anybody who thinks RB guitar difficulty is equal or better to GH either hasn't played one or both games, or has to play on easy all the time and doesn't know the difference.

No, no one could logically argue that Rock Band's guitar difficulty is harder than GH3's. However, Rock Band 2's guitar is significantly harder than Rock Band 1's.

The only song I've EVER failed in RB1 is Green Grass & High Tides on Expert, and even that is easy to me now. Bodhitsattva (sp?), Chop Suey, Shackler's Revenge, Painkiller and others have bested me at least once or twice on Expert in Rock Band 2.

So for Jbourne to claim RB2 doesn't up the difficulty from RB1 is just silly.

Well why didn't you say so! Your little 5 song test in a vacuum is so definitive, I can't believe I had the audacity to challenge such iron-clad evidence. Shame on me! I failed to recognize that your own personal experiences should have trumped my own when I formed my opinion on the games, and for that I apologize.

Sorry, but the difference in difficulty between RB and RB2 - IN MY OPINION (a phrase you desperately need to add to your vocabulary, child) - is negligible at best.

Why are you getting so bent out of shape over a video game

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: blurredvision
As far as the difficulty goes, I'm not sure if you guys were arguing about it, but anybody who thinks RB guitar difficulty is equal or better to GH either hasn't played one or both games, or has to play on easy all the time and doesn't know the difference.

No, no one could logically argue that Rock Band's guitar difficulty is harder than GH3's. However, Rock Band 2's guitar is significantly harder than Rock Band 1's.

The only song I've EVER failed in RB1 is Green Grass & High Tides on Expert, and even that is easy to me now. Bodhitsattva (sp?), Chop Suey, Shackler's Revenge, Painkiller and others have bested me at least once or twice on Expert in Rock Band 2.

So for Jbourne to claim RB2 doesn't up the difficulty from RB1 is just silly.

Well why didn't you say so! Your little 5 song test in a vacuum is so definitive, I can't believe I had the audacity to challenge such iron-clad evidence. Shame on me! I failed to recognize that your own personal experiences should have trumped my own when I formed my opinion on the games, and for that I apologize.

Sorry, but the difference in difficulty between RB and RB2 - IN MY OPINION (a phrase you desperately need to add to your vocabulary, child) - is negligible at best.

Why are you getting so bent out of shape over a video game

Everybody gets bent out of shape over something in life, why not video games?

 

[maziwanka]

im excited to play this game. just got in on the amazon deal for it - 1600 point card plus rb2 for 60 bucks. now ill have 3200 points (purchased another 1600 card earlier this week; haha).

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: RedRooster
Did anyone find the best way to unlock all the songs legitimately?
I don't have the game yet, but I need everything unlocked for tonight. I'm reading threads about people going through each marathon "level" and playing one song from each to unlock the next. But its kids writing them, so they don't make sense. :laugh:
Anyone here have a tip?

Use the cheat code. It unlocks an option that allows you to turn on or off "all songs unlocked." When its on, you wont be able to save, so dont even try doing the tour with it on, but it works perfectly for having everything unlocked for parties without ruining the fun of the tour.

 

[Oyeve]

MOVING PICTURES! OUT NOW! yay.

 

[Daverino]

Originally posted by: Oyeve
MOVING PICTURES! OUT NOW! yay.

Sorrow by Bad Religion is so full of win. First thing I'm doing tonight is downloading this song.

Love Spreads follows that immediately. . .

 

[abaez]

Registration is open for the 20 free songs that came with purchase of the game. Songs aren't yet available, but hopefully should be soon.

http://kotaku.com/5057371/rock...-bonus-tracks-reg-live

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: abaez
Registration is open for the 20 free songs that came with purchase of the game. Songs aren't yet available, but hopefully should be soon.

http://kotaku.com/5057371/rock...-bonus-tracks-reg-live

My guess is that Microsoft wanted a timed exclusive, and Harmonix didn't have enough time to get all the songs done, so they held out 20 songs while Microsoft paid them some pretty decent coin. So when the PS3 and Wii versions release this month, I'm guessing that'll be right around the time the 20 free songs show up. We'll know for sure if we find out the songs will be on the disc for the PS3 and Wii versions.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: abaez
Registration is open for the 20 free songs that came with purchase of the game. Songs aren't yet available, but hopefully should be soon.

http://kotaku.com/5057371/rock...-bonus-tracks-reg-live

My guess is that Microsoft wanted a timed exclusive, and Harmonix didn't have enough time to get all the songs done, so they held out 20 songs while Microsoft paid them some pretty decent coin. So when the PS3 and Wii versions release this month, I'm guessing that'll be right around the time the 20 free songs show up. We'll know for sure if we find out the songs will be on the disc for the PS3 and Wii versions.

I think it is just going to be 20 crap bonus songs. From what you are saying, you think they might be regular songs that didn't get on in time. I do agree that would be awesome though. I hope these 20 songs are worthwile.