man oh man it is HILARIOUS to see pats fans after a loss, you would think that the apocalypse has landed. they are so spoiled lol.
i also didn't realize BUTCH1 was on the pats roster until this thread.
i'm not referring to this season only, i'm talking about whenever they lose in the past decade. it's never the patriots fault for losing. ever.
I'm guessing you don't watch much football or follow it.
NE has lost 7 out of their top 8 players due to injury. The loss is one thing especially when obvious calls like the Hold on LaFell in OT don't get called but losing Gronk and Hightower are the biggest losses in the game.
NE could still win out or still secure the 1st seed in the AFC but with so many injured players, a deep playoff run is unlikely.
I'm guessing you don't watch much football or follow it.
NE has lost 7 out of their top 8 players due to injury. The loss is one thing especially when obvious calls like the Hold on LaFell in OT don't get called but losing Gronk and Hightower are the biggest losses in the game.
NE could still win out or still secure the 1st seed in the AFC but with so many injured players, a deep playoff run is unlikely.
i'm not referring to this season only, i'm talking about whenever they lose in the past decade. it's never the patriots fault for losing. ever.
That's not true. The Pats have played crappy games in the past. That blowout to KC for one last year when a lot of people wanted Brady benched.
We are talking about this game, and it seemed as if the refs wanted the Pats to lose. On 2 of the 3 outside runs for TD's, there was obvious holding calls. None called. Yet, they call ticky tack calls on the PAts.
Whiny Patriots fans or not, if you're a fan of good football you can still be sad when an elite player like Gronk goes down. Or for that matter the 'Hawks Jimmy Graham whose career might be over now. You gotta admit it's a thing of beauty to watch when Tom Brady is operating at the top of his game, or painful to watch the shell of the once-great PFM trot out there and throw up ducks and multiple INT a game. A good game will always trump what I think about a particular player or team.
i watch pretty much 5 games a week, so yes i watch a lot of football.
not sure why everyone is bringing up injuries, i never mentioned that once in any posts.
i also never said i was talking about this year only, and i'm not sure why anyone would think i was referring to this year only, considering the pats haven't even lost this year until last night.
it's the same thing every time they lose the past decade - never their fault, always the fault of some outside forces. and now we have you with the injury excuse, even though the past 10 games they won, some of those with multiple injuries as well.
you also brought up the hold excuse. had they not fumbled a punt and won in regulation, they wouldn't have even been in that situation.
it's the same thing every time they lose the past decade - never their fault, always the fault of some outside forces.
Same thing every time? What were the excuses when they lost to KC last year? Doesn't take long to prove you incorrect again.
And if you had been following the weekly threads, everyone has been talking about the injuries that NE has been suffering and outside of Brady, Gronk is the biggest lost to the offense, so yes, you're going to hear a lot of people complaining of the losses.
Hold excuse? How many non-NE fans in this thread complained about the reffing in the game? If you're watching so many games, I'd expect you to have more of a clue.
Pats fans are just like Brady, "They hate us cause they ain't us" when they are winning, but bitch pussy whiners when they lose.officiating has been terrible in every game this season, so yes, complaining about 1 hold in 1 game is pointless since it happens in every game to every team.
as already mentioned, that KC game was the outlier.
keep crying though.
yes, it's a big nfl conspiracy why the pats lost last night. it didn't have anything to do with them fumbling a punt, going 2/13 on third down, having possession first in OT and going 3 and out, and losing the TOP battle by 10 minutes. nope, it's the refs fault.
Its unfortunate because the only way you can beat the Patriots is if you take four of their top offensive players off the field, the officials have their hand in the game, and then you have to have some momentum switch because [Chris Harper] muffs a punt. The officials were calling penalties all over the place, some legit some not so legit. I feel like the officials last night really let the game get out of control. There were questionable calls, especially the offensive pass interference on Gronkowski. The holding in the end zone on Chung was very questionable, said Boomer. It seemed liked the entire fourth quarter there was a yellow flag on the field, and when it was thrown it was against the Patriots. The whole thing was spiraling out of control.
They didn't lose on their own terms. They lost because the refs limited their options. When your down 4 of your top 4 offensive players and the refs put their foot on the scale. It's tough to win any game.
If you can't acknowledge that the calls last night seemed biased then you're just a troll.
Here is Esiason on the penalties.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/...r-letting-pats-broncos-spiral-out-of-control/
If you can't acknowledge that the calls last night seemed biased then you're just a troll.
Here is Esiason on the penalties.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/...r-letting-pats-broncos-spiral-out-of-control/
The patriots are playing remarkable football despite suffering the same type of personnel losses that every football team, ever, experiences throughout a season.
Hell, the Niners org fired their best coach in more than a decade for trying to coach a team that suffered far greater losses last season than these Pats have. Do you think the Pats will fire Belichick for losing so many offensive and defensive weapons this season? I doubt it.
Of course, it's always the ref's fault, yeah?
cry more.
As a Pats fan I'll happily take the loss against Denver. My belief is the franchise is looking for bigger things ... like the SB.
officiating has been terrible in every game this season, so yes, complaining about 1 hold in 1 game is pointless since it happens in every game to every team.
as already mentioned, that KC game was the outlier.
keep crying though.
The patriots are playing remarkable football despite suffering the same type of personnel losses that every football team, ever, experiences throughout a season.
Hell, the Niners org fired their best coach in more than a decade for trying to coach a team that suffered far greater losses last season than these Pats have. Do you think the Pats will fire Belichick for losing so many offensive and defensive weapons this season? I doubt it.
Of course, it's always the ref's fault, yeah?
cry more.
“It’s unfortunate because the only way you can beat the Patriots is if you take four of their top offensive players off the field, the officials have their hand in the game, and then you have to have some momentum switch because [Chris Harper] muffs a punt. The officials were calling penalties all over the place, some legit some not so legit. I feel like the officials last night really let the game get out of control. There were questionable calls, especially the offensive pass interference on Gronkowski. The holding in the end zone on Chung was very questionable,” said Boomer. “It seemed liked the entire fourth quarter there was a yellow flag on the field, and when it was thrown it was against the Patriots. The whole thing was spiraling out of control.
You and the Brady bunch seem to be the ones who are Butthurt. But hey might as well spin when you can right?Crying? No crying here but as long as you get butthurt from every Pats win, let's hope NE wins out.
He seems calm and collected to me, but that is probably your extra sensitivity on the subject is all.I'm not sure whay any of that had to do with the refs calls. Your hate for me or the Pats is making you sound irrational.
Here is someone not named Emperus (Boomer Esiason) on the calls.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/30/esiason-blasts-nfl-officials-for-letting-pats-broncos-spiral-out-of-control/
I'm not sure whay any of that had to do with the refs calls. Your hate for me or the Pats is making you sound irrational.
Here is someone not named Emperus (Boomer Esiason) on the calls.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/30/esiason-blasts-nfl-officials-for-letting-pats-broncos-spiral-out-of-control/
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The call: Gronkowski was ruled to be blocking downfield, which offsets a defensive pass interference penalty on cornerback Aqib Talib against receiver Keshawn Martin that would have given the Patriots a first down, a 4-yard gain, and the ball at the 46-yard line.
My thoughts: Linebacker Brandon Marshall puts his hands on Gronkowski at the stem of the route as this just as easily could have been defensive illegal contact. There is no clear advantage gained by Gronkowski. This is a ticky-tack call.
Date: Nov. 29 (at Broncos)
Situation: Fourth quarter (5:22); third-and-5 from the New England 25.
Crew: Tony Corrente
The call: Gronkowski is ruled to have pushed off safety David Bruton Jr. This negates a 10-yard catch by Gronkowski for a first down, setting up a third-and-15 that isn’t converted.
My thoughts: Similar to the second-quarter play, Bruton makes contact with Gronkowski at the stem of the route, putting his left hand onto Gronkowski’s left shoulder pad. At the same time, Gronkowski keeps his left arm bent while absorbing contact before partially extending it as he breaks to the sideline to create separation. As NBC analyst Cris Collinsworth said, “This could go either way.” I think the NFL is a better product when calls like that aren’t made. Let both sides play through that two-sided contact, which happens on a majority of plays anyway.
Date: Nov. 15 (at Giants)
Situation: Second quarter (8:08); third-and-8 from the New England 18
Crew: Ed Hochuli
The call: Gronkowski is ruled to have pushed off defensive back Trevin Wade, taking away his 20-yard reception. Instead of first-and-10 at the 38, the Patriots end up with a third-and-17 from their 9. They don't convert and punt.
My thoughts: Gronkowski and Wade engage each other 4 yards past the line of scrimmage, and Gronkowski thrusts both arms forward to push Wade back to gain an advantage. Gronkowski has the right to use his hands to disengage, but by extending his arms to create an advantage to separate, this is a penalty.
Date: Oct. 29 (vs. Dolphins)
Situation: Second quarter 34); first-and-goal from the Dolphins’ 6
Crew: Pete Morelli
The call: Gronkowski is ruled to have pushed off safety Reshad Jones at the goal line, negating a touchdown in the back left-hand corner of the end zone to Julian Edelman. But the Patriots score on the next play on a 16-yard catch-and-run by Dion Lewis.
My thoughts: Gronkowski pushes off Jones, extending his arms to gain a clear advantage. While the penalty didn’t have an impact on where the ball was ultimately thrown, it is an infraction.
Date: Sept. 27 (vs. Jaguars)
Situation: First quarter (4:29); second-and-10 from the Jaguars’ 32
Crew: Walt Coleman
The call: Gronkowski is ruled to be blocking defensive back Davon House down the field before receiver Danny Amendola makes a 13-yard catch. Instead of first-and-10 from the Jacksonville 19-yard line, it’s second-and-20 from the 42 and the Patriots end up settling for a field goal.
My thoughts: Borderline. Gronkowski does initiate contact with his right arm, running into the backpedaling House, but it comes at nearly the same time quarterback Tom Brady is throwing to Amendola in a different area of the field.
Date: Sept. 27 (vs. Jaguars)
Situation: Third quarter (9:51); first-and-10 from the Patriots’ 33
Crew: Walt Coleman
The call: Gronkowski is ruled to have pushed off House as he runs up the left side, negating a 5-yard catch underneath to the left side by running back James White.
My thoughts: This should be a non-call or, at the most, offsetting because House has his hands on Gronkowski the entire time and initiates contact as much as Gronkowski. Gronkowski simply tries to turn around at the top of his route, his arms never extend, and House’s momentum sends him backwards, buying the call as the ball is delivered away from them.