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purbeast0

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The game was awesome and fun to watch. Mahomes is going to be a really good QB. He reminds me of a faster Rogers.

And yeah, I stayed up and didn't fall asleep until like 12:30 or so and had to get up at 6am. I surprisingly feel pretty good today lol.
 

thestrangebrew1

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I only saw the last few minutes. Just enough time for the Chiefs to come back. Mahomes is playing lights out. We'll see if it's sustainable though. The last few years the Chiefs have been hot for the first part of the season then fall flat. New cast of characters this time, so it could be different this year. Fun to watch though!
 
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I only saw the last few minutes. Just enough time for the Chiefs to come back. Mahomes is playing lights out. We'll see if it's sustainable though. The last few years the Chiefs have been hot for the first part of the season then fall flat. New cast of characters this time, so it could be different this year. Fun to watch though!

Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. They started out hot last year and 2013 (which, uh, 5 years ago I'm not sure is worth considering since the roster is so different now). One year they started 1-5, then won the rest of the games. The other years they were like 2-2 at this point. They were streaky in the past (somewhat are even in the games), but they have not consistently played like this.

Last year they started hot but went to shit because the Steelers exposed Alex Smith's shortcomings big time (and Andy Reid struggled to figure out how to adjust and get back on track) and the defense wasn't capable of propping him up like in seasons past (Eric Berry was out, Peters was turning into a major headcase, and they had past their prime guys like Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson - granted they tried to address that and failed big time which is why the defense sucks this year). Mahomes already showed that he could handle Pittsburgh's defense in ways that Alex Smith never could.

We'll see if Reid can find a way to stifle Mahomes with the playcalling. Mahomesh as been overcoming penalties in all the games so that wasn't a major factor last night. The receivers were dropping a fair amount (which I think Denver deserves some credit for, they played tight coverage all night and had Kelce off his game the first half; but there were several easy catches that Chiefs receivers dropped for no apparent reason).
 
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Fucking eastern time zone... I'm so tired from staying up to watch the game. I'm happy the broncos put up a fight since I figured they'd get trounced, but I'm sad they had opportunities that were lost. It feels less bad losing when the Chiefs made so many amazing plays to make it happen. That interception was great, and Mahomes' panicked left handed shovel pass to keep the drive going was just another example of some top level football and it's hard to stop that.

Broncos should feel frustrated but not too bad. They have had the best game plan for Mahomes so far. And I think they have the talent to execute that gameplan. Its one they used to win the Super Bowl (when Cam Newton when he was near unstoppable) and stop modern Brady, as well as a fair amount of other QBs that have run roughshod. But I think the Broncos have lost enough talent, and the Chiefs defense stiffened when they really needed to, giving Mahomes enough time/opportunity to make things happen.

The thing is though, the Chiefs had started to own the Broncos even with Smith (Smith won the last 4 games he played against them). A lot of that is because Schwartz for some reason owns Von Miller, effectively nullifying his game changing capability.
 

Ajay

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Jan 8, 2001
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Miami played the Patriots in Foxborough, they typically lose there and the Pats typically play like shit in Miami.
It wasn't even funny though. Miami couldn't get it's act together for nothing.

As a Pats fan, I was fine with it though
 

jpiniero

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Miami played the Patriots in Foxborough, they typically lose there and the Pats typically play like shit in Miami.

I think they said on the broadcast Miami hasn't won in Foxborough since 2008. But yeah it's something like the Patriots are 7-8 in the Brady era in Miami.
 

BUTCH1

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I think they said on the broadcast Miami hasn't won in Foxborough since 2008. But yeah it's something like the Patriots are 7-8 in the Brady era in Miami.
And you can't say it's heat-related since by the time they typically play in Miami it's cooled down enough to be bearable.
 

BUTCH1

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Broncos should feel frustrated but not too bad. They have had the best game plan for Mahomes so far. And I think they have the talent to execute that gameplan. Its one they used to win the Super Bowl (when Cam Newton when he was near unstoppable) and stop modern Brady, as well as a fair amount of other QBs that have run roughshod. But I think the Broncos have lost enough talent, and the Chiefs defense stiffened when they really needed to, giving Mahomes enough time/opportunity to make things happen.

The thing is though, the Chiefs had started to own the Broncos even with Smith (Smith won the last 4 games he played against them). A lot of that is because Schwartz for some reason owns Von Miller, effectively nullifying his game changing capability.
You could sense Miller (and Co) were getting PISSED after time and again he just kept converting 3rd, 4th down on both those drives. I mean, (because of penalties) they were at 2nd and THIRTY and they converted, he now has 14 TD's and ZERO int's, that's just insane. Somewhat reminiscent of young Farve, except better arm strength and no dumb picks.
 

glenn1

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He is. The rest of his team (except for a RB or two) isn't. He more than made up for offensively offensive penalties.

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are a couple of the top players in the game at their respective positions. That being said the Chief's OL protection didn't seem to be holding up particularly well (thus why all those "wow" moment Mahomes scramble plays) and that doesn't bode well for their game v. JAX next week as their DEF is considerably better than DEN (still good but nowhere near its SB year peak).
 

BUTCH1

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Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are a couple of the top players in the game at their respective positions. That being said the Chief's OL protection didn't seem to be holding up particularly well (thus why all those "wow" moment Mahomes scramble plays) and that doesn't bode well for their game v. JAX next week as their DEF is considerably better than DEN (still good but nowhere near its SB year peak).
But this is the thing, Denver has a pretty good defense IMO, and they had a plan to try and contain Mahomes but unlike say Newton, although Mahomes is certainly fast enough to run for yds, his accuracy on throws while running full-tilt sideways is just nuts. Jax probably has the best set of CB's/LB's/ safeties in the game today, if he can make them look bad, watch out. It's just so tough to keep any receiver covered for that long there is no way to "game plan" for it. (I don't think anyway, we'll see).
 
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This was stupid but still made me laugh. The QBs, then Le'Veon Bell, and of course the end (ouch! Which, I like Alex Smith now, and I didn't give him enough credit for how much he busted his ass to play as well as he could, and he seems like a genuinely nice guy; but I'm so glad he's some other team's QB now).

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/...803713&ref_url=https://bleacherreport.com/nfl

Not really related, but if you guys have heard Patrick Mahomes, he kinda has a funny voice. Sometimes its like its cracking and he sounds almost like Kermit the Frog (some are saying Bobcat Goldtwait). He said that if he gets too cocky that Reid will bring him down a peg by imitating his voice.
 
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Retro Rob

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I only saw the last few minutes. Just enough time for the Chiefs to come back. Mahomes is playing lights out. We'll see if it's sustainable though. The last few years the Chiefs have been hot for the first part of the season then fall flat. New cast of characters this time, so it could be different this year. Fun to watch though!

Could be different, and I hope it is. More good teams equal better quality games and more competition. Perhaps the days of NE being the automatic SB favorite are now numbered.
 

Retro Rob

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Personally, I don't get too excited over young QBs flashing like this, this early. The second full year is when you really learn about a guy after the league catches up to him, learns his tendencies and what he likes to do and when.

I think next year we will know if Mahomes is legit for a certainty, though I am pretty positive he is.
 

BUTCH1

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Personally, I don't get too excited over young QBs flashing like this, this early. The second full year is when you really learn about a guy after the league catches up to him, learns his tendencies and what he likes to do and when.

I think next year we will know if Mahomes is legit for a certainty, though I am pretty positive he is.
Huh?, he had 14 TD's and ZERO picks, he most certainly "legit". All QB's would love the ability to throw with that kind of accuracy while running, this is not a "gimmick", it's talent, and gob's of it. Denver already knew he was going to do this and were ready, but he's fast enough to keep out from tackling quickly then burns you with a 18yrd rope-job (while running) on a 3rd and 7.
 
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purbeast0

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Personally, I don't get too excited over young QBs flashing like this, this early. The second full year is when you really learn about a guy after the league catches up to him, learns his tendencies and what he likes to do and when.

I think next year we will know if Mahomes is legit for a certainty, though I am pretty positive he is.
Except he doesn't look fluke at all like RG3 did. He's playing smart and protecting the ball and his body.
 
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PJFrylar

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Yeah I started cousins and have goff on the bench. Going to be a tough decision next week....

I lost by 2 points :S
At least having 2 good QBs and deciding which to start is a good problem. I was the last to draft a QB last year, because I thought Mariota was going to have a good year. I got bailed out by claiming Watson... after he went down... I was platooning QBs praying for 15 points. Brees only scoring like 11 was pretty much every week for me.
 

zinfamous

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Huh?, he had 14 TD's and ZERO picks, he most certainly "legit". All QB's would love the ability to throw with that kind of accuracy while running, this is not a "gimmick", it's talent, and gob's of it. Denver already knew he was going to do this and were ready, but he's fast enough to keep out from tackling quickly then burns you with a 18yrd rope-job (while running) on a 3rd and 7.

I think you missed his point. 14 TD with no picks is great and all, but that's the first 4 games of his career. Colin Kaepernick was just as great, just as electrifying, and just as cocky for about 4 games until the obvious was revealed. Until teams adjusted.

...but Rob also mentioned that his accuracy on the run is solid. That is something else. That is a real, legit tool. That is very difficult to adjust to, and will very likely carry him through into absolute "legit" Aaron Rodgers/Drew Brees class.

...but he's still not there. It's simply a matter of experience. Teams will certainly adjust, and this kind of production will not sustain during the season. These are pro organizations with pro talent behind them. Andy Reid is an absolute known commodity, so there really is only so much he can do to keep the kid fresh. Denver handled him really well for one half. Every team watches every other team, so he is going to get contained, it only matters by how much, and how well he adjusts.

We won't know until next season, really, maybe into his 3rd season (if football still exists....), but hey, he's damn exciting right now and he obviously has the tools and the brains to run a solid scheme. But how does he adjust when everyone else does? That's what matters.

The Great Russell Wilson has gobs of pure, absolute talent and brains as well, but if you don't put a pro line in front of that talent to guard against other pros, then that talent is quickly destroyed. I think Wilson is still good, but he's had those seasons behind him and the wear is damn obvious. Feet and talent like that can only carry you so long until the refusal to protect it manifests.

Hell, look at Brady. He hasn't had to move 2 feet in his career. He's still going because he has always had an impenetrable wall in front of him--hell, dude cut his salary just to keep that wall in place. He got hit twice in his career. One of those hits ended his season. Now he just gives up when runners are close. Let's see how Mahomes does after taking 2 or 3 seasons worth of Russell Wilson hits.


....of course, I say all this at the burgeoning of the era when you aren't allowed to touch the QB...so who knows, lol? He may be the first superstar all-tool QB that lasts more than 5 seasons.
 

PJFrylar

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I think you missed his point. 14 TD with no picks is great and all, but that's the first 4 games of his career. Colin Kaepernick was just as great, just as electrifying, and just as cocky for about 4 games until the obvious was revealed. Until teams adjusted.
The Packers didn't, ask me how I know.
 

zinfamous

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The Packers didn't, ask me how I know.

Look man, that was the 4th game.

People seem to forget that Kaepernick started like, 2 games before those playoffs. The Packers game was, I believe, his 4th start ever. Yeah, he was damn good in the 2nd half post-delay of that superbowl, but he was absolute shit from game 1 of the next season and on.

Pros adjust. The league had an entire off-season to shut him down. ....it also helps that Kaepernick has no brains or vision on the field. Mahomes doesn't seem to have that problem.
 

PJFrylar

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Look man, that was the 4th game.

People seem to forget that Kaepernick started like, 2 games before those playoffs. The Packers game was, I believe, his 4th start ever. Yeah, he was damn good in the 2nd half post-delay of that superbowl, but he was absolute shit from game 1 of the next season and on.

Pros adjust. The league had an entire off-season to shut him down. ....it also helps that Kaepernick has no brains or vision on the field. Mahomes doesn't seem to have that problem.
Yeah, then they lost the 49ers in the playoffs the next year.....
 

zinfamous

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Yeah, then they lost the 49ers in the playoffs the next year.....

Well hasn't GB lost every game 1 or 2 of the playoffs since winning the SB? McCarthy isn't really known for fielding a stingy defense in recent memory.

Bellichick and Brady lost to Lesser-Manning and Coughlin TWICE! Sometimes....someone just has your number, you know?

Look: if the worst thing that I get accused of in a football thread is "hyperbole," then I will consider that winning, OK?
 

PJFrylar

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Well hasn't GB lost every game 1 or 2 of the playoffs since winning the SB? McCarthy isn't really known for fielding a stingy defense in recent memory.

Bellichick and Brady lost to Lesser-Manning and Coughlin TWICE! Sometimes....someone just has your number, you know?

Look: if the worst thing that I get accused of in a football thread is "hyperbole," then I will consider that winning, OK?
Yeah, that's fair. It also bugs me that people seem to forget the year they won the it all they were actually better on defense than offense. As much as I love Rodgers, that follow up 2011 season seems to make everyone forget how it happened.
 
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