Official: 2007 NBA Playoff thread.

[Dyloot]

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Anybody want to talk about how Golden State chokes so bad in the fourth quarter that they get so pissed that they have to start throwing cheap shots? Baron face checking Fisher as they walk down the court. Okur getting thrown to the ground in the final minute of the game by Richardson even though Golden State was down enough that they obviously already lost the game.

Golden State plays like the thugs they are when it comes down to make-or-break time. They play like a bunch of cocky street brawlers that don't know teamwork and want to shoot the 3 every time, and when they see that ain't working any longer they show their true colors.

Now, this isn't to say they aren't entertaining to watch, and that they aren't pretty good playing their style, but if they played as a team and somebody besides Baron would drive in once in a while, they would be a much deadlier team. WTF kind of retard shoots the 3 mid-game when you're already up by 5 and you're on a fast break of 3 vs 1? That right there showed how little team work and dumbass players they are.

The Jazz executed this game perfectly. They needed to slow it down and play it their style. This series is over for Golden State. There is no way they will be able to get away with their thug antics away from home. Baron should have gotten a tech, been thrown out of the game, fined, and banned from playing their next game for what he did to Fisher, and everybody knows it and he's going to get what he deserves in the next game.

The series is over for Golden State. I'm a huge Warriors fan, and I'll be the first to say that the Jazz are just a better team. The Warriors have some huge holes up front, and the small ball lineup was doomed to fail at some point. We killed The Mavs, we had our fun with the Jazz in game 3, but the ride is over. There is no one on this team who can handle Boozer.

With all that said, what a ride. Two months ago the Warriors weren't going to make the playoffs. They've given us three weeks of playoffs excitement, which is more than we've had since I was a fricken sophomore in high school playing for my school's JV team. I'm 28 now. LOL

As for the Warriors being thugs, it's easy to say that after a couple hard plays. Real easy. You can call Jackson a thug, because of his history on and off the court. But Jason Richardson? Hardly. One hard foul makes him a thug after all his class years at Michigan State and Golden State? C'mon. Baron Davis a thug? Have you been watching this series? The guard play has been very, very physical on both sides, and even Fisher (his friend) said he didn't think Baron threw an elbow.

Calm down and enjoy the fact that the higher-seeded Jazz won a series they were supposed to win, and that they had home court advantage because the Warriors knocked off one of the best teams in the league.

Good luck against the Spurs next round. I'm guessing you'll be down in four or five games. Boozer should have a lot more fun with Duncan and the Spurs' front court.

 

[Alienwho]

But Jason Richardson? Hardly. One hard foul makes him a thug after all his class years at Michigan State and Golden State? C'mon. Baron Davis a thug? Have you been watching this series? The guard play has been very, very physical on both sides, and even Fisher (his friend) said he didn't think Baron threw an elbow.

You're probably right about Richardson, from what I hear he's a pretty classy guy and this is out of context for him, but for many people (including me) this is our first time really seeing Richardson, so first impressions can last a while.

And I don't really think Baron is a thug, but Fisher will change his mind after he sees what the camera caught. It was a cheap shot whether he's a thug or not.

Good luck against the Spurs next round. I'm guessing you'll be down in four or five games. Boozer should have a lot more fun with Duncan and the Spurs' front court.

I hoping we can at least challenge the Spurs. I'd rather play Phoenix.

 

[Dyloot]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

But Jason Richardson? Hardly. One hard foul makes him a thug after all his class years at Michigan State and Golden State? C'mon. Baron Davis a thug? Have you been watching this series? The guard play has been very, very physical on both sides, and even Fisher (his friend) said he didn't think Baron threw an elbow.

You're probably right about Richardson, from what I hear he's a pretty classy guy and this is out of context for him, but for many people (including me) this is our first time really seeing Richardson, so first impressions can last a while.

And I don't really think Baron is a thug, but Fisher will change his mind after he sees what the camera caught. It was a cheap shot whether he's a thug or not.

Good luck against the Spurs next round. I'm guessing you'll be down in four or five games. Boozer should have a lot more fun with Duncan and the Spurs' front court.

I hoping we can at least challenge the Spurs. I'd rather play Phoenix.

How could this possibly be your first time watching the Warriors? I mean, aren't they on national television on a regular basis? Oh wait... sorry. =)

Honestly, I just wish the season was over already. Or heck, that Baron and Richardson are suspended so they can blame the league for the next loss and not the team. I think a frustrating game 5 in Utah is NOT what the team needs at this point.

 

[Dyloot]

OK, I'm replying to myself, but after reading all the stories this morning I've been thinking about this Warrior team a great deal.

This team needs a few big bodied roleplayers in the biggest way. Baron Davis, Jason Richardson and Stephen Jackson are a perfect starting back-court for Nelson. Them, with Monte Ellis backing them up, is the core of the team. Andris Biedrins is also a keeper in the middle. He'll get bigger and stronger. Not the best center in the league, but solid.

Al Harrington, Matt Barnes and Mikael Pietrus are great players to bring in, but are not necessarily needed on this team. All played big roles this season, but ultimately these guys can't be our biggest bench guys if the team is going to beat the Jazzs and Spurs of the world.

What we need is a bigger athletic power forward who can body up down low and help Biedrins with interior defense and offensive rebounding. The guy doesn't need to be an all-star, he just needs to play his role in the Warrior's defensive and offensive scheme.

There's a time and play for Harrington at either 4 or 5, but it can't be your only option when you want to go bigger. Phoenix can go bigger, and the Warriors need to do the same. Small ball just isn't always going to work.

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: Dyloot
OK, I'm replying to myself, but after reading all the stories this morning I've been thinking about this Warrior team a great deal.

This team needs a few big bodied roleplayers in the biggest way. Baron Davis, Jason Richardson and Stephen Jackson are a perfect starting back-court for Nelson. Them, with Monte Ellis backing them up, is the core of the team. Andris Biedrins is also a keeper in the middle. He'll get bigger and stronger. Not the best center in the league, but solid.

Al Harrington, Matt Barnes and Mikael Pietrus are great players to bring in, but are not necessarily needed on this team. All played big roles this season, but ultimately these guys can't be our biggest bench guys if the team is going to beat the Jazzs and Spurs of the world.

What we need is a bigger athletic power forward who can body up down low and help Biedrins with interior defense and offensive rebounding. The guy doesn't need to be an all-star, he just needs to play his role in the Warrior's defensive and offensive scheme.

There's a time and play for Harrington at either 4 or 5, but it can't be your only option when you want to go bigger. Phoenix can go bigger, and the Warriors need to do the same. Small ball just isn't always going to work.

I agree. It seems like most of GS are carbon copies of each other. They all play the same position and the same style, which makes it hard to shake things up. None of them are exceptionally small, or exceptionally large. When you look at the players, Boozer doesn't seem any bigger than anybody on GS, but he still roughs them up. Williams and Fisher look smaller than anybody on GS. Beidrins is the only exception but he's nothing Okur or Kirilenko can't handle.

There is just a severe lack of versatility.

 

[Dyloot]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: Dyloot
OK, I'm replying to myself, but after reading all the stories this morning I've been thinking about this Warrior team a great deal.

This team needs a few big bodied roleplayers in the biggest way. Baron Davis, Jason Richardson and Stephen Jackson are a perfect starting back-court for Nelson. Them, with Monte Ellis backing them up, is the core of the team. Andris Biedrins is also a keeper in the middle. He'll get bigger and stronger. Not the best center in the league, but solid.

Al Harrington, Matt Barnes and Mikael Pietrus are great players to bring in, but are not necessarily needed on this team. All played big roles this season, but ultimately these guys can't be our biggest bench guys if the team is going to beat the Jazzs and Spurs of the world.

What we need is a bigger athletic power forward who can body up down low and help Biedrins with interior defense and offensive rebounding. The guy doesn't need to be an all-star, he just needs to play his role in the Warrior's defensive and offensive scheme.

There's a time and play for Harrington at either 4 or 5, but it can't be your only option when you want to go bigger. Phoenix can go bigger, and the Warriors need to do the same. Small ball just isn't always going to work.

I agree. It seems like most of GS are carbon copies of each other. They all play the same position and the same style, which makes it hard to shake things up. None of them are exceptionally small, or exceptionally large. When you look at the players, Boozer doesn't seem any bigger than anybody on GS, but he still roughs them up. Williams and Fisher look smaller than anybody on GS. Beidrins is the only exception but he's nothing Okur or Kirilenko can't handle.

There is just a severe lack of versatility.

Beidrins isn't really anything other than a quick scoring option for Baron and the rest of the team in the flow of the offense. He can't self create, but he can take a quick dish for a dunk. He has some of the quickest hands on the team, making him a decent weapon for a PG. He is nothing like Boozer and probably never will be.

On defense he will, hopefully, develop into a solid interior defender and shot blocker. At the moment he can make some big defensive plays, but will also foul out of most games if the other team is attacking the basket.

Hopefully we add another inside piece in the off-season, although I know there's zero money to do it.

 

[dbk]

What a choke job by Vince Carter. WOW.

 

[Ricochet]

Man, what a nail biter game btw Suns and Spurs!

 

[dbk]

Hey Horry...CYA! What a tough game for the Spurs.

 

[Ricochet]

Robert Horry body-check to Nash. Just wow.

I'm glad the Suns won to make it an even series now. I have to admit the refs seem to favor the Suns this time around. There were a lot of no calls to Raja Bell where I thought he charged on multiple occasions.

 

[DukeN]

Surprise, half man half woman Wince Harder choked again. Oh well atleast he can go cry in his mom's vag..err lap now.

Horry should be suspended atleast a game, that could've been extremely serious. Just hope Amare isn't suspended for the next game.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: ricochet
Robert Horry body-check to Nash. Just wow.

I'm glad the Suns won to make it an even series now. I have to admit the refs seem to favor the Suns this time around. There were a lot of no calls to Raja Bell where I thought he charged on multiple occasions.

I agree. The Suns got some questionable calls in this game.

Obligatory but the Suns still aren't tough enough!!111

Amare and Diaw might be suspended, which sucks. But if that's the rule, then that's the rule. If Barbosa breaks out of his slump in Game 5 and Nash and Marion play great then I think the Suns can still win.

That was an amazing game :beer:

 

[tfinch2]

WTF was Horry thinking? Raja Bell is a punk. The Suns tried to play off Stoudemire acting like a douche and jumping off the bench. "Oh he was getting up to check in!" HAHAHA

I have a feeling Tim Duncan is going to put up 35 and 20 next game.

 

[Ricochet]

With Amare possibly suspended next game along with Diaw, the Spurs should take next game. Amare + Diaw for Horry is not a fair tradeoff.

What a sad turn of event for the Suns.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
WTF was Horry thinking? Raja Bell is a punk. The Suns tried to play off Stoudemire acting like a douche and jumping off the bench. "Oh he was getting up to check in!" HAHAHA

I have a feeling Tim Duncan is going to put up 35 and 20 next game.

LOL Spurs fan.

Bell and Amare were defending their teamate. If you don't understand this concept, you never played sports. Sorry. It was stupid, but when your teamate gets hit like that it doesn't matter; you rush out there and see what's up. But yea, I guess that is acting like a "douche."

:roll:

They let their emotions get the best of them, but they're humans...it happens.

Oh, and is your crystal ball losing its power?

 

[zainali]

horry just proved the point that spurs are a dirty team.

steve nash has had his nose cut, kicked in the crotch, and body checked. i wonder what else can the spurs do to him.

too bad diaw/stoudemire will get suspended for the next game.

 

[XMan]

"Cheap-shot Bob."

If the league suspends Amare and Diaw, IMO, it will send the wrong message. It'd bring back the whole goon concept. Why not send in your 12th man at the end of a game, have him take down Ginobli or Parker right in front of the Spurs bench. Then you can pull the guys off the bench and bam, you've traded your 12th man for whoever you can get to leave the bench.

I don't think anybody is going to get suspended over this (not even Horry), though. It wasn't nearly as bad as the NY/Miami thing a couple years ago. The official rule reads: "Any player who leaves the bench during a fight automatically suspended for a minimum of one game and fined a maximum of $20,000; in addition to losing 1/82nd of his salary for each game, he is suspended."

I don't know that you can classify this as a fight. Not to mention the fact that Diaw and Stoudemire were already standing up when Nash was fouled.

 

[GPett]

Its sad to say... in all sports... the teams that win are dirty teams. Thats part of the negative aspect of sports. The desire to win at all costs is a negative to sports in general as I see it. But, there is such an emphasis to win so you cannot blame the players for playing dirty. Playing dirty is just part of competative sports.

Thats one reason I think individual sports have an edge up on team sports. Less likely for someone to break the rules and negatively affect another participant.

If you think that Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Chamberlain, Dr. J, and Russel didn't play dirty you are kidding yourself.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

San Antonio has never had a reputation for being a dirty team. If anything they've been called out for being soft as a marshmellow. Only one player legitimately plays dirty on that team, Bruce Bowen. Every team has their Bruce Bowen though.

The Spurs have shown that they are the smarter team. They are rattling the Suns and getting to them, and the Suns are dealing with each blow with great immaturity. This is the playoffs, you have to expect teams to play hard and try and do everything they can to win. You can't sit there and cry about it, you have to fight back and play your game.

That cheap shot by Horry should have resulted in him being ejected and suspended for a game, but now it has cost the Suns two of their best players. They knew the rules, you can't leave the bench during a fight and chose to ignore them. Veteran players would have known better.

It would be a shame if the series were decided by this one incident. But damn those moronic Suns players should have known better, I just can't feel sorry for them.

 

[BlancoNino]

I'm sorry, but it's a perfectly natural reflex to get up and run over to somebody who just got body checked the way Nash did. There's really almost no controlling it.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'm sorry, but it's a perfectly natural reflex to get up and run over to somebody who just got body checked the way Nash did. There's really almost no controlling it.

Doesn't matter, rules are rules. They should have known better. Now it could potentially cost them the series. I have no sympathy for them.

 

[ballmode]

Black jesus really owned in the last few minutes making clutch shots

 

[cheezy321]

im sorry, but it would be complete and utter BS if the NBA suspends Robert Horry, and then suspends two Phoenix Suns players. That would send the completely wrong message. Basically they would be saying it is ok to knock people down because more players on the other team could be suspended. It would just be completely unfair to to punish the suns more for reacting to a dirty play by a spurs player

 

[zainali]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
San Antonio has never had a reputation for being a dirty team. If anything they've been called out for being soft as a marshmellow. Only one player legitimately plays dirty on that team, Bruce Bowen. Every team has their Bruce Bowen though.

The Spurs have shown that they are the smarter team. They are rattling the Suns and getting to them, and the Suns are dealing with each blow with great immaturity. This is the playoffs, you have to expect teams to play hard and try and do everything they can to win. You can't sit there and cry about it, you have to fight back and play your game.

That cheap shot by Horry should have resulted in him being ejected and suspended for a game, but now it has cost the Suns two of their best players. They knew the rules, you can't leave the bench during a fight and chose to ignore them. Veteran players would have known better.

It would be a shame if the series were decided by this one incident. But damn those moronic Suns players should have known better, I just can't feel sorry for them.

please. steve nash is actually important to his team unlike horry who sits on the bench most of the time.

if someone from the suns decide to hit tony parker in front of the spurs bench they will get up to.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'm sorry, but it's a perfectly natural reflex to get up and run over to somebody who just got body checked the way Nash did. There's really almost no controlling it.

Doesn't matter, rules are rules. They should have known better. Now it could potentially cost them the series. I have no sympathy for them.

Should have known better? Looks like they did finally realize they should sit back down. The rules worked...the players sat back down after they realized...but it's an uncontrollable reflex to get up when something as shocking as that happens especially to a team mate.