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SKoprowski

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It's a no win situation for Lebron. He get's his team involved, he scores less and they lose. Now on Wed, he'll take over and then he will get no help and they will most likely lose. He can't win.

It's funny that I remarked to my wife about Rasheed blowing his coverage of the wing guy before the play started and he did just that. In Sheed's defense though he said that he was expecting Lebron to take the shot and was worried about getting the offensive rebound- that's why he moved to the basket.

Chauncey had a very bad game- I don't expect that to happen again. The unsung hero again was Rasheed- he does not get the credit he deserves (at least the good kind). He was composed the whole night and ready to play. What the heck is up with McDyees? For someone desperately trying to get a ring he sure is playing horrible.

Go Pistons!!

 

w3stfa11

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i ****** hate the sports media. lebron passes to a wide ****** open donyell marshall and they b1tch about it. STFU ESPN.

Man, Barkley, Magic, and Kenny were hating on him for the entire post-game.

Good hard-fought win for Detroit.
 

EKKC

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Originally posted by: w3stfa11
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i ****** hate the sports media. lebron passes to a wide ****** open donyell marshall and they b1tch about it. STFU ESPN.

Man, Barkley, Magic, and Kenny were hating on him for the entire post-game.

Good hard-fought win for Detroit.

you know, if lebron didn't pass, and ran into a piston and getting blocked on a layup or dunk or whatnot, they would do a 10 minute analysis of how Marshall, Hughes, and 23 other Cavaliers were all wide open for the game tying shot.
 

Ricochet

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i ****** hate the sports media. lebron passes to a wide ****** open donyell marshall and they b1tch about it. STFU ESPN.

No kidding. Lebron did the right thing passing the ball to Donyell. Donyell needed to just take slightly more time in prepping that 3pt attempt since he was wide open for awhile.
 

Dyloot

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Originally posted by: mpitts
Jazz win tonight thanks to Boozer and Okur.

I really doubt the Jazz will win tonight. They're just not that good of an away team, and they can't bully the Spurs. I'd guess they'll do exactly what the GSW did to them. Lose the first two on the road, win the next in Utah, lose the next in Utah, and lose game 5 in SA.

The Spurs are just crazy talented compared to the Jazz. No major dig against the Jazz, as I think they'll go far in the long run, especially if Deron Williams develops into a star. But the Spurs are great right now, and they're going to win the NBA championship.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: fritolays
my prediction

Spurs and Cavs in the finals
Cavs will win

lollerstakes are you serious?

LOL no kidding.

The Spurs would dominate the Cavs. Probably a 4-0 or 4-1 series.
 

Ricochet

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: fritolays
my prediction

Spurs and Cavs in the finals
Cavs will win

lollerstakes are you serious?

LOL no kidding.

The Spurs would dominate the Cavs. Probably a 4-0 or 4-1 series.

Somewhere you're forgetting there is a Detroit basketball team.
 

jman19

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Nov 3, 2000
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Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: fritolays
my prediction

Spurs and Cavs in the finals
Cavs will win

lollerstakes are you serious?

LOL no kidding.

The Spurs would dominate the Cavs. Probably a 4-0 or 4-1 series.

Somewhere you're forgetting there is a Detroit basketball team.

Actually, I'm not. I said the Spurs *would* dominate the Cavs. Come back when you learn how to read.
 

Ricochet

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: fritolays
my prediction

Spurs and Cavs in the finals
Cavs will win

lollerstakes are you serious?

LOL no kidding.

The Spurs would dominate the Cavs. Probably a 4-0 or 4-1 series.

Somewhere you're forgetting there is a Detroit basketball team.

Actually, I'm not. I said the Spurs *would* dominate the Cavs. Come back when you learn how to read.

Bolded part to emphasize most commonly used sentence on AT when their original post is unclear and tries to immaturely defend their stance. It is simple matter to clarify. No need to insult.


 

jman19

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Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: fritolays
my prediction

Spurs and Cavs in the finals
Cavs will win

lollerstakes are you serious?

LOL no kidding.

The Spurs would dominate the Cavs. Probably a 4-0 or 4-1 series.

Somewhere you're forgetting there is a Detroit basketball team.

Actually, I'm not. I said the Spurs *would* dominate the Cavs. Come back when you learn how to read.

Bolded part to emphasize most commonly used sentence on AT when their original post is unclear and tries to immaturely defend their stance. It is simple matter to clarify. No need to insult.

Actually I just said that beacuse you were being overly defensive. I wasn't unclear in any way.
 

Ricochet

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Oct 31, 1999
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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: fritolays
my prediction

Spurs and Cavs in the finals
Cavs will win

lollerstakes are you serious?

LOL no kidding.

The Spurs would dominate the Cavs. Probably a 4-0 or 4-1 series.

Somewhere you're forgetting there is a Detroit basketball team.

Actually, I'm not. I said the Spurs *would* dominate the Cavs. Come back when you learn how to read.

Bolded part to emphasize most commonly used sentence on AT when their original post is unclear and tries to immaturely defend their stance. It is simple matter to clarify. No need to insult.

Actually I just said that beacuse you were being overly defensive. I wasn't unclear in any way.

I don't get it. I made one sentence about Detroit and I'm being defensive? Look at the context above and quote the part where you think my statement would qualify me being "overly defensive".
 

jman19

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Nov 3, 2000
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Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: fritolays
my prediction

Spurs and Cavs in the finals
Cavs will win

lollerstakes are you serious?

LOL no kidding.

The Spurs would dominate the Cavs. Probably a 4-0 or 4-1 series.

Somewhere you're forgetting there is a Detroit basketball team.

Actually, I'm not. I said the Spurs *would* dominate the Cavs. Come back when you learn how to read.

Bolded part to emphasize most commonly used sentence on AT when their original post is unclear and tries to immaturely defend their stance. It is simple matter to clarify. No need to insult.

Actually I just said that beacuse you were being overly defensive. I wasn't unclear in any way.

I don't get it. I made one sentence about Detroit and I'm being defensive? Look at the context above and quote the part where you think my statement would qualify me being "overly defensive".

I wasn't unclear, but you decided to jump on that statement anyway. For what it's worth, I hope Detroit wins the whole thing

Not discussing this any further.
 

XMan

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Hurray for boring basketball. The Spurs can't even sell out the first two games of the Conference Finals, and the TV ratings suck.

Spurs beat Jazz; nobody cares.


The San Antonio Spurs' Game 1 victory over the Utah Jazz drew a 3.8 overnight rating, the second-lowest of the playoffs in the late afternoon Sunday timeslot for ABC. Only Game 4 of the semi-finals between the Detroit Pistons and Chicago Bulls, a game Detroit entered up 3-0, drew a lower overnight.

The 3.8 overnight is down 43% from the 6.7/15 the comparable Cavaliers/Pistons Game 7 drew on the same date last year. The rating is also down 27% from the 5.2/11 for Game 1 of the 2005 Western Conference Finals between the Spurs and the Suns, which also aired on a Sunday afternoon.

The 3.8 overnight is the lowest for an NBA Conference Final game in at least the past ten years, and likely the lowest ever. In fact, only one Conference Final game has drawn a final rating less than 4.0 in that span of time -- Nets/Pistons Game 1 in 2003, which drew a broadcast network record low of 3.5. Despite the record low rating, that game still drew a 4.8 overnight rating in a weaker timeslot (1:30 p.m).

Considering that the NBA has been incurring staggering drops from the overnight to the final rating this postseason, there is every likelihood that this game will end up with a final rating lower than 3.0 -- unheard of for a Conference Final game on broadcast television -- and it is extremely likely that the final rating for Game 1 will end up lower than the final rating for Game 1 of last year's Western Conference Final, which aired on cable (TNT).


NBA's worst case scenario comes true.

They are stodgy and conservative, playing conventional offense. They are led by two no-nonsense, no-frills coaches. The biggest star, and that is using the term loosely, is a stoic big man who has failed to wow most casual fans, even after winning three championships and three NBA Finals MVP awards. They play in small-markets that are apparently so out-of-touch that in one city, 2Unlimited's "Are You Ready for This?" is played during the player intros, and in the other, Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" was blared through the speakers after the team won in the second round.

These are not sexy teams. These are not big markets. And for many, these are not entertaining teams.

These are the San Antonio Spurs and the Utah Jazz, and for the next two weeks, they will be the background music to the Cavaliers/Pistons series in the East.

The two teams they eliminated, the Golden State Warriors and the Phoenix Suns, are the antithesis of these two teams. Flashy, exciting teams that play an up-tempo style. Teams that even the most casual fan would tune in to see. So far in this postseason, the highest rated games involved either of the two teams; in fact, no game without either Golden State or Phoenix has even averaged a 3.0 national rating.

Granted, the same could be said of San Antonio and Utah. After all, the Spurs and Jazz were involved in those series as well; the problem is, people were not tuning in to watch them. It is almost like saying the Jazz were involved in two of the highest rated NBA Finals ever -- that may be true, but nobody was tuning in to see Karl Malone and John Stockton in 1997 and 1998.

The Spurs and Jazz have a reputation to overcome. The two teams have played a fairly colorless style basketball on many occasions -- especially the former -- with slow, plodding games that made many fans tune out. Anyone who remembers the 1999 and 2003 NBA Finals knows that Spurs basketball is generally not something to lead someone to jump out of their seat with excitement. In fact, as offensive as this may sound to San Antonio fans, Spurs basketball is more along the lines of something the Comcast Slowskys might enjoy.

The Jazz, despite having a completely new cast of characters from the last time they were prominent, still have the reputation as a half-court, slow-it-down team that they earned during their run in the 1990s.

Nobody expects the games in this series to be wildly entertaining in the fashion of a Warriors or Suns game, though purists will likely enjoy what should be a no-frills, no-fancy passes, no-showboating, fairly emotionless series. While Golden State/Phoenix would have had final scores of 120-110 and at least one out-of-this-world highlight per night, Utah/San Antonio will likely enthrall fans with 81-74 scores and monotone expressions for six to seven games.

And none of that would have been a problem three years ago. Ratings would have been bad, but not as bad as they will be this year. Three years ago, in 2004, low scoring, plodding games were expected. There was no hope for excitement or even for overly charismatic stars. A Spurs/Jazz series would have been expected three years ago, because nobody knew of anything better.

Now, three years later, people know that there is a more entertaining product. That basketball with predictable offenses and scores in the low 80s is not a requirement of the playoffs. That teams can actually appear to have fun while playing, that games can be vibrant and have people jump out of their seats. After being tantalized with a Phoenix/Golden State Conference Final, casual and even many NBA fans will tune out -- almost in protest -- of a series that could very well set basketball back to 1999-2004 levels.

Currently, the lowest rated Conference Final of at least the last twenty years was New Jersey/Detroit in 2003 -- a series exactly like Spurs/Jazz. Two relatively unappealing teams from two relatively unappealing markets playing very unappealing, fundamental basketball. The scores in that series? 76-74, 88-86, 97-85 and 102-82, all won by the Nets. The ratings for that series were 3.5, 2.7, 4.2 and 1.9, with the two highest ratings the product of airing on broadcast television (ABC). If Utah/San Antonio goes to six or seven games, as it likely will, expect higher numbers. Despite the disaster awaiting ABC/ESPN, the ratings should at the very least be slightly within reason.

This is not to offend the fans of the Jazz or Spurs; after all, Spurs fans must know by now that most of the nation is not interested in their team. Drops of 40%, 36% and 29% for each of the three Finals the team has played in should be a good indicator of that by now. It is certainly not the fault of the San Antonio Spurs that they do not interest mainstream America; as unfair as it is, if the exact roster of the team was transfered into Laker jerseys, they may in fact be the talk of the town and leading the NBA to a new golden age of television ratings.

Then again, that may not be true; after all the New York Knicks of 1994 and 1999, teams that played a particularly gruesome style of basketball, failed to inspire the interest of most viewers. The 1994 Finals and 1999 Finals were down 31% and 40%, respectively, from previous years.

The fact may be that the Spurs and the Jazz simply just don't do it for most viewers. Whether its the just-the-facts-ma'am type of play, or the small markets, or even the lifeless color schemes of both teams (black and white for the Spurs, navy/powder blue and white for the Jazz). The package just does not work. And in the next two weeks, the NBA will see a series that may very well be a classic one. Unfortunately for the league and ESPN/ABC, barely anyone will watch.
Labels: NBA Playoffs, Ratings
 

OnEMoReTrY

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Since when were the NBA playoffs about ratings and not about teams competing in a sport to prove whos best? The NBA is a sport league, not broadway.
 
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Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
Since when were the NBA playoffs about ratings and not about teams competing in a sport to prove whos best? The NBA is a sport league, not broadway.

very well said. people who say that are still bitter that the suns lost
 

robphelan

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this is why i laugh at all those conspiracy-theorists who said the NBA wanted Spurs to beat the Suns - the spurs draw a much smaller viewing market than the suns. they're not as much fun to watch... but they all thought Stern was the mastermind behind the playoff ejections.

EDIT:
oh yeah, spurs sweep jazz
finals spurs 4 cavs 1
or
spurs 4 detroit 2
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
Since when were the NBA playoffs about ratings and not about teams competing in a sport to prove whos best? The NBA is a sport league, not broadway.

very well said. people who say that are still bitter that the remaining teams are fairly boring to watch

Fixed. The Jazz-Spurs series is a snoozer.
 
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