OFFICIAL 2007 NHL playoffs thread.

[SampSon]

WTF, why can't I make a post logner than a paragraph?

I think the league needs to clarify what constitutes a distinct kicking motion. It was definitely a distinct stopping motion, but it could very well have been an intentional kick. I looked like he tried to hit it with his stick, which would indicate that it wasn't an intentional kick.

I agree. It's tough to make that call. It looked like he was trying to stop, but he wasn't trying to stop very hard. He was definitely crashing the net and had no intention of letting up, even if he had a Buffalo D-man pushing him. All hockey players will try to get the puck into the net any which way possible, dirty, clean, with their stick, hand, foot, eyeball, whatever that's the game. It's hard for the league to write in stone what a kicking motion is because so much movement happens with ice skating. That's why it's left up to the Tonroto review guys to make the calls.

 

[SampSon]

Brett Hull and Ray Ferraro really seem to hate each other. Brett Hull really doesn't belong on TV.

They sure do, and I hate Ray Ferraro myself. Brett Hull doesn't belong on TV along with the vast majority of other retired NHL players come analysts. Brett was funny during the intermission reports yesterday though, especially when they ripped on him for the "no goal" call in game 6 of the 1999 finals. The major network hockey analysts/announcers are so idiotically boring and self-absorbed that they don't even bother with play-by-play calling of the game. Any number of local play-by-play guys in local market would be vastly superior to the stuffed suit tools they have on there now.

 

[meltdown75]

I like Ferraro but I'm probably biased because he's the colour guy for Sportsnet West Oiler games.

That goal should have counted, bar none. Terrible call.

 

[SampSon]

Hull's goal should not have counted. The NHL has 10 years of make-up calls to make for buffalo.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Hull's goal should not have counted. The NHL has 10 years of make-up calls to make for buffalo.

In other words, the goal yesterday should have counted :thumbsup:

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: SampSon
Hull's goal should not have counted. The NHL has 10 years of make-up calls to make for buffalo.

In other words, the goal yesterday should have counted :thumbsup:

In my opinion, no, it shouldn't have counted. If the Sabres would have done that I would have thought to myself "he tried to get away with some sh!t there". Sure I would have been pissed, but what are you gunna do, blame it all on the refs like the Islanders?

The review guys have been consistant in their calling of these intentional kicking motion goals. I'm not sure if they are applying the rules properly or not, but they are given the power to make thoes calls. A prime example is the no goal call on Sidney Crosby goal in game one of the first round. Sidney was attempting to get up from falling down in the crease and they called it a no goal. The kicking motion happened because he was trying to stand up, not intentionally kick it in. They called it no goal. *shrug*

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: SampSon
Hull's goal should not have counted. The NHL has 10 years of make-up calls to make for buffalo.

In other words, the goal yesterday should have counted :thumbsup:

In my opinion, no, it shouldn't have counted. If the Sabres would have done that I would have thought to myself "he tried to get away with some sh!t there". Sure I would have been pissed, but what are you gunna do, blame it all on the refs like the Islanders?

The review guys have been consistant in their calling of these intentional kicking motion goals. I'm not sure if they are applying the rules properly or not, but they are given the power to make thoes calls. A prime example is the no goal call on Sidney Crosby goal in game one of the first round. Sidney was attempting to get up from falling down in the crease and they called it a no goal. The kicking motion happened because he was trying to stand up, not intentionally kick it in. They called it no goal. *shrug*

The thing that bugs me about not counting yesterdays goal or Sidney's goal is that the league has been calling those plays goals for a while now. Years back goals off a skate weren't counted very often, but since then a distinct, intentional attempt to kick the puck in has been required. Just seems odd that they are changing the way they call it now. Crappy officiating and on-the-fly interpretation of the rules is nothing new for the NHL though :roll:

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: SampSon
Hull's goal should not have counted. The NHL has 10 years of make-up calls to make for buffalo.

In other words, the goal yesterday should have counted :thumbsup:

In my opinion, no, it shouldn't have counted. If the Sabres would have done that I would have thought to myself "he tried to get away with some sh!t there". Sure I would have been pissed, but what are you gunna do, blame it all on the refs like the Islanders?

The review guys have been consistant in their calling of these intentional kicking motion goals. I'm not sure if they are applying the rules properly or not, but they are given the power to make thoes calls. A prime example is the no goal call on Sidney Crosby goal in game one of the first round. Sidney was attempting to get up from falling down in the crease and they called it a no goal. The kicking motion happened because he was trying to stand up, not intentionally kick it in. They called it no goal. *shrug*

That should have been a goal too, so at least they are consistent in their bad calls. For the record though, they did show a Shanahan goal from the regular season that was clearly a kicking motion which was allowed. IMO they might as well do a coin flip in those situations because they have no f'n clue what they are doing.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Hull's goal should not have counted. The NHL has 10 years of make-up calls to make for buffalo.

Bondra's goal against us in '98 shouldn't have counted and Frasier refused to replay it. That's a major reason that replays can be initiated by video goal judges now.
Of course, Hull's goal in '99, with another rule change about the skate in crease.
And then let's not forget LeClair's phantom goal against us in '00.

Am I sour? Nahhhhh.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: SampSon
Hull's goal should not have counted. The NHL has 10 years of make-up calls to make for buffalo.

Bondra's goal against us in '98 shouldn't have counted and Frasier refused to replay it. That's a major reason that replays can be initiated by video goal judges now.
Of course, Hull's goal in '99, with another rule change about the skate in crease.
And then let's not forget LeClair's phantom goal against us in '00.

Am I sour? Nahhhhh.

The thing about the Hull goal is that the officials took away a ton of goals that year due to the foot-in-the-crease nonsense, yet they call it the other way in deciding who wins the Cup. The rule in general was stupid, but to not give Buffalo a fair chance there was incredibly stupid.

 

[mugs]

Not surprisingly, the Senators are upset about the goal scored with .2 seconds left in the first period on Saturday, because the clock was started .7 seconds late. I'd be annoyed too if it went against my team, but you can't get hung up on something like that. If you go back and check the clock after every whistle and every face off in the period, it could be off by 10 seconds in either direction by the end of the period. This error only seems so significant because there were only 2.7 second left. If there were 30 seconds left, and they started the clock .7 second late, and someone scored with .2 left no one would blame the timekeeper. Bottom line is, you have to play until the horn sounds.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: SampSon
Hull's goal should not have counted. The NHL has 10 years of make-up calls to make for buffalo.

Bondra's goal against us in '98 shouldn't have counted and Frasier refused to replay it. That's a major reason that replays can be initiated by video goal judges now.
Of course, Hull's goal in '99, with another rule change about the skate in crease.
And then let's not forget LeClair's phantom goal against us in '00.

Am I sour? Nahhhhh.

The thing about the Hull goal is that the officials took away a ton of goals that year due to the foot-in-the-crease nonsense, yet they call it the other way in deciding who wins the Cup. The rule in general was stupid, but to not give Buffalo a fair chance there was incredibly stupid.

I agree completely. That was *the* year of the foot in the crease rule. That was redonkulous.

 

[SampSon]

The thing that bugs me about not counting yesterdays goal or Sidney's goal is that the league has been calling those plays goals for a while now. Years back goals off a skate weren't counted very often, but since then a distinct, intentional attempt to kick the puck in has been required. Just seems odd that they are changing the way they call it now. Crappy officiating and on-the-fly interpretation of the rules is nothing new for the NHL though

On the fly, or refs/reviews paid off, not sure which one. Both are probable.

 

[SampSon]

The thing about the Hull goal is that the officials took away a ton of goals that year due to the foot-in-the-crease nonsense, yet they call it the other way in deciding who wins the Cup. The rule in general was stupid, but to not give Buffalo a fair chance there was incredibly stupid.

As a die hard Buffalo fan, I've been over every possible scenario of that goal. Simply put, Buffalo got ******.

 

[SampSon]

Bondra's goal against us in '98 shouldn't have counted and Frasier refused to replay it. That's a major reason that replays can be initiated by video goal judges now.
Of course, Hull's goal in '99, with another rule change about the skate in crease.
And then let's not forget LeClair's phantom goal against us in '00.

You should know that Frasier HATES buffalo.

 

[n7]

Wow, terribly officiated game tonight (Ottawa vs. NJ).

Great result from that for the Sens though

They take a 2-1 series lead.

 

[meltdown75]

jeebus I was hoping to catch the end of the game at least. My wife and I agreed to start a movie shortly after 7 thinking we would catch most of the 3rd... doh! That was a quick game!

 

[mugs]

Man... I was really hoping the Devils would win tonight. I can't take the stress of another away game down 2-1. I could tell going into the 3rd period that it wasn't looking good... the way both goaltenders were playing, it might as well have been sudden death. And honestly, Brodeur's defense saved his ass a few times by scooping up rebounds that otherwise would have been wide open shots. Ottawa was getting a lot more scoring opportunities, and it was only a matter of time before one went in. The Versus announcers commented briefly on the goaltender interference before the goal... only took them 3 replays to notice it. I didn't think it was a big deal, Brodeur had time to recover before the shot and I don't think that was a factor in the goal.

Meh. Now they have to win the next one.

 

[JohnAn2112]

WOOOOT Sharks win and go up 2-1! Go Sharks Go!

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: mugs
Man... I was really hoping the Devils would win tonight. I can't take the stress of another away game down 2-1. I could tell going into the 3rd period that it wasn't looking good... the way both goaltenders were playing, it might as well have been sudden death. And honestly, Brodeur's defense saved his ass a few times by scooping up rebounds that otherwise would have been wide open shots. Ottawa was getting a lot more scoring opportunities, and it was only a matter of time before one went in. The Versus announcers commented briefly on the goaltender interference before the goal... only took them 3 replays to notice it. I didn't think it was a big deal, Brodeur had time to recover before the shot and I don't think that was a factor in the goal.

Meh. Now they have to win the next one.

It would have been a factor if it would have been called though... there would have been a delayed penalty and the play whistled down as soon as Priessing touched the puck. CBC interviewed Fisher after the game and he was saying that he didn't even feel Brodeur's leg as he skated by... they showed him the replay and he tried to feign complete surprise at the fact he touched him... lol

 

[dennilfloss]

Marty's foot was outside the crease (looks like he was the one who first tried to trip Fisher if you check closely) and he tried to embellish his fall. That's why he was not back in a stable position. Plus that's karma, making for the delayed clock last game and the quick whistle during the first period.

Lou Lamoriello said the clock 'mishap' was simply human error and we have to live with this. well, not noticing/ignoring the bump on Marty was also human error.

Sens should be ahead three games to none.

 

[SampSon]

Brodeur can only do so much to save the Devils. There was some contact there, but Brodeur embellished it and took his concentration off of the game that was still being played. His loss, Ottawa's gain. I still think this series will go to seven.

Watching the Sharks v. Wings game last night I was really hoping for some overtime but I didn't get it. The sharks are starting to pull ahead. Does anyone get tired of Hasek flopping around on the ice like a fish out of water?

 

[meltdown75]

Maybe if Brodeur could embellish a fall like Hasek, it would have been noticed... "check closely"... LOL. That's going 7 for sure.

Sharks / Wings was way too late to watch for me... Hasek was making some retarded saves last night. Watched the highlights this morning... what can you say, it's his style. He's keeping them in it. It is pretty crazy though Lay on your back and flail around.

 

[SampSon]

If Brodeur played that contact off like Hasek the net would have been off the moorings, his goalie stick would have been in the mesh and the ref would have vodka ridden spit all over his face from being screamed at.

When Hasek was playing for Buffalo it was a stressful treat. I couldn't help but close one eye when he started his seizure like manouvers.
I'm convinced Hasek sold his soul to the devil in order to stop pucks.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Lou Lamoriello said the clock 'mishap' was simply human error and we have to live with this. well, not noticing/ignoring the bump on Marty was also human error.

You know, when the Senators were in almost the exact same situation with 3.1 left in the first period on a power play with a faceoff in the Devils' zone, I made a point of watching the clock and it looked like it started a little late. Thought that was kind of ironic.

Originally posted by: SampSon
Brodeur can only do so much to save the Devils. There was some contact there, but Brodeur embellished it and took his concentration off of the game that was still being played. His loss, Ottawa's gain. I still think this series will go to seven.

I agree that it was a bit embellished.