Official 2008-2009 NHL thread.

[KK]

I was hoping chicago would pull it off. Either way, from what I caught, 3rd period on, detriot didn't look as hot as I expected.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: KK
I was hoping chicago would pull it off. Either way, from what I caught, 3rd period on, detriot didn't look as hot as I expected.

Ya they looked tired. Getting beat to the loose pucks is not like them at all.

 

[NoCreativity]

Wish I had watched the game, too bad it was only on Versus. Yet another reason the NHL will always be what, the 10th most popular sport in the country, competing for TV time with womens bowling.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Feldenak
The Pens passing looked sloppy last night. This has to improve.

Someone, anyone...tell Fleury to stay in his goddamn crease. He has the stick handling skills of an epileptic chimp.

:laugh:

QUIET YOU

I love having Fleury in goal but I wish he would let his defesemen play defense and stop leaving his crease. The only time he doesn't make me nervous coming out to play a puck is on the Pens PP.

and lately it seems he is having trouble holding onto his stick.

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: NoCreativity
Wish I had watched the game, too bad it was only on Versus. Yet another reason the NHL will always be what, the 10th most popular sport in the country, competing for TV time with womens bowling.

yeah, fortunately i have Versus....unfortunately theres nowhere in town to go to watch the games, so im stuck at home to see them, kinda a bummer. :-/

 

[NoCreativity]

I could have gone to a bar to watch, but I had to get some stuff done around the house. Oh well, at least I can watch it on CBC Friday. I was surprised they didn't have it on last night.

 

[bignateyk]

Good to see Osgood is still his usual classless, diving self.

I respect detroit. I think they are easily the best hockey franchise of the last decade (or more), but Osgood doesn't deserve an ounce of credit for their success.

He isn't a good goalie. He dives. He's a dirty player. He is classless (remember the comments he made last year after they WON the cup about how the refs wanted pittsburgh to win? Seriously.. who the hell says something like that after they WIN?)

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
(remember the comments he made last year after they WON the cup about how the refs wanted pittsburgh to win? Seriously.. who the hell says something like that after they WIN?)

Presumably someone who actually believes it and isn't making excuses after a loss.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Good to see Osgood is still his usual classless, diving self.

I respect detroit. I think they are easily the best hockey franchise of the last decade (or more), but Osgood doesn't deserve an ounce of credit for their success.

He isn't a good goalie. He dives. He's a dirty player. He is classless (remember the comments he made last year after they WON the cup about how the refs wanted pittsburgh to win? Seriously.. who the hell says something like that after they WIN?)

:roll:

Yet despite how much circle jerking going on around Fluery, Ozzie has a higher save pct, lower Goals against... More shutouts... Basically better in every category.

Making a comment about the refs doesnt make you classless.. it was actually a warranted comment. Shitty reffing is a trademark of the NHL.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Good to see Osgood is still his usual classless, diving self.

I respect detroit. I think they are easily the best hockey franchise of the last decade (or more), but Osgood doesn't deserve an ounce of credit for their success.

He isn't a good goalie. He dives. He's a dirty player. He is classless (remember the comments he made last year after they WON the cup about how the refs wanted pittsburgh to win? Seriously.. who the hell says something like that after they WIN?)

:roll:

Yet despite how much circle jerking going on around Fluery, Ozzie has a higher save pct, lower Goals against... More shutouts... Basically better in every category.

Making a comment about the refs doesnt make you classless.. it was actually a warranted comment. Shitty reffing is a trademark of the NHL.

1) I never said fluery was a great goalie. I think he's better than osgood, but he is by no means better than goalies like Ward, Khabibulin, Thomas, etc...

2) His stats are a product of his environment. You could plug any one of a dozen other starting goalies from the NHL into the red wings system and produce equal or better results than Osgood.

3) If you wanna cry about the refs after you lose, it's one thing, but making comments about the refs is classless if you just won the cup. All he was trying to do was bring down his opponent even more after they had already lost. If he really had a beef with the reffing, he could talk about it in private.

4) It's good to see noone denying the fact that he dives all over the place and is a dirty player (the bear hug last night after his teammate pushed a blawkhawk into him??, then a few minutes later when he flopped to try to get another interference call).

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Good to see Osgood is still his usual classless, diving self.

I respect detroit. I think they are easily the best hockey franchise of the last decade (or more), but Osgood doesn't deserve an ounce of credit for their success.

He isn't a good goalie. He dives. He's a dirty player. He is classless (remember the comments he made last year after they WON the cup about how the refs wanted pittsburgh to win? Seriously.. who the hell says something like that after they WIN?)

:roll:

Yet despite how much circle jerking going on around Fluery, Ozzie has a higher save pct, lower Goals against... More shutouts... Basically better in every category.

Making a comment about the refs doesnt make you classless.. it was actually a warranted comment. Shitty reffing is a trademark of the NHL.

1) I never said fluery was a great goalie. I think he's better than osgood, but he is by no means better than goalies like Ward, Khabibulin, Thomas, etc...

2) His stats are a product of his environment. You could plug any one of a dozen other starting goalies from the NHL into the red wings system and produce equal or better results than Osgood.

3) If you wanna cry about the refs after you lose, it's one thing, but making comments about the refs is classless if you just won the cup. All he was trying to do was bring down his opponent even more after they had already lost. If he really had a beef with the reffing, he could talk about it in private.

4) It's good to see noone denying the fact that he dives all over the place and is a dirty player (the bear hug last night after his teammate pushed a blawkhawk into him??, then a few minutes later when he flopped to try to get another interference call).

1) Hes got better playoff stats than all you mentioned.

2) ESPN had an article on this yesterday.. and pretty much debunked it. Ozzie is just hated because hes a red wing.

3) You have that backwards. There are sore losers, then theres people who just want to make the game better. Complaining after a win gives credibility, and should be applauded for his honesty. But Ozzie haters will turn it against him no matter what he says.

4) Wow, so after 70 or so playoff wins, and a dozen years as a pro goalie, your gonna base your assesment of him on two plays of one game? Chicago is pretty blantently showing they want to do as much interference on Ozzie as they can get away with. ozzie fighting back does not make him an ass, it makes him a good player for defending his turf. Every team will try to bully the small wings.. ozzie included. The next time a Black Hawk tries to hang out in the crease I hope ozzy shoves a stick up his ass.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
His stats are a product of his environment. You could plug any one of a dozen other starting goalies from the NHL into the red wings system and produce equal or better results than Osgood.

You mean like hall of Famer Dominic "The Dominator" Hasek?

Oh wait, he was pulled from the 08 playoffs in favor of Ozzie, who then won the cup.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

By making an arguement that Ozzy is a product of his environment, you've basically also alienated Brodeur who can be argued is a product of his environment. You can't just plug in any old goalie and he'd be just as good or better. Who's going to make the arguement that Tim Cheveldae would have been a better goalie than Ozzy?

I respect that you hate Osgood. Hate means that you're just jealous he's not on your team.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: bignateyk
His stats are a product of his environment. You could plug any one of a dozen other starting goalies from the NHL into the red wings system and produce equal or better results than Osgood.

You mean like hall of Famer Dominic "The Dominator" Hasek?

Oh wait, he was pulled from the 08 playoffs in favor of Ozzie, who then won the cup.

Except Hasek was about 5 years past his prime. Not too many players come back from retirement their usual self.

There's also a reason why osgood was sitting on the bench up until that point. The same reason why he sucked it up all season long this year.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: Sentrosi2121
By making an arguement that Ozzy is a product of his environment, you've basically also alienated Brodeur who can be argued is a product of his environment. You can't just plug in any old goalie and he'd be just as good or better. Who's going to make the arguement that Tim Cheveldae would have been a better goalie than Ozzy?

I respect that you hate Osgood. Hate means that you're just jealous he's not on your team.

Actually, I would argue pretty much the exact opposite with Brodeur. I think he's pretty much the only reason the devils have had much success over his career. He hasn't had anywhere near the offensive fire power or stud defensemen in front of him that have graced the red wings.

I would love to have about half the red wings on my team. Osgood would not be one of them.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Good to see Osgood is still his usual classless, diving self.

:roll:

Any other god damned goal tender can just bump into our players that are standing outside the crease and the player outside the crease will get called for goal tender interference but if we do the same it never happens so he has got to dive.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Except Hasek was about 5 years past his prime. Not too many players come back from retirement their usual self.

There's also a reason why osgood was sitting on the bench up until that point. The same reason why he sucked it up all season long this year.

Maybe you missed the part where he missed half this season with a groin injury?

Dude get over it, your blowing crap out of your ass here.

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.

 

[Squisher]

They brought it up on the radio and now that I've rewatched the replay of the OT goal, they were right.

Toews was on Mikael Samuelsson's hip when that turn over happened that lead to the goal. He totally gives up on the play and skates down ice like he is going to the bench. Everybody is pointing a finger at Campbell for making the turn over. The most shocking thing about it was that this was right after an icing by Detroit. Detroit should have been tired and Chicago should have been fresh. If Toews was tired then it's Quenneville's fault, if he wasn't then all the brickbats should be thrown at Toews not Campbell.



btw-Ozzy is probably the least dirty goal tender out there. They all flop and try to draw penalties and get people off balance so they can't get tip ins or rebounds. I've never seen Ozzy slash behind the knees or try to castrate someone with the stick like I've seen too many to mention do.

What are you going to feel like Nate when Ozzy is in the Hall of Fame? *snicker*

In the top ten all time in wins.
4 cups
GAA
Save percentage

All say Hall of Fame.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

The only way Chicago can beat Detroit is by playing mistake-free hockey. I know that is usually parrot-speak for all the NHL "Experts" around, but it is true in this case. Detroit has capitalized in both games on mistakes by Chicago. They seem minuscule and trite, but they are mistakes. And Detroit will pounce on each and every one that Chicago gives them. I'm not saying that this will be a sweep. I am saying for Chicago to win a couple they will have to play Detroit's style of play; puck possession and keeping their sticks on the ice.

 

[JDub02]

LETS GO PENS!!!!

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Sentrosi2121
The only way Chicago can beat Detroit is by playing mistake-free hockey. I know that is usually parrot-speak for all the NHL "Experts" around, but it is true in this case. Detroit has capitalized in both games on mistakes by Chicago. They seem minuscule and trite, but they are mistakes. And Detroit will pounce on each and every one that Chicago gives them. I'm not saying that this will be a sweep. I am saying for Chicago to win a couple they will have to play Detroit's style of play; puck possession and keeping their sticks on the ice.

I wouldnt say that just yet. Chi outshot Det 39-38 in game 2. While not an impressive margin, the fact that the Wings, even on thier bad days, NEVER get outshot, is impressive for Chicago, they really brought the hussle. If they continue to outshoot (which will be extremely hard for them to do) They can just play the odds game and win in the long run.

 

[NoCreativity]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Sentrosi2121
The only way Chicago can beat Detroit is by playing mistake-free hockey. I know that is usually parrot-speak for all the NHL "Experts" around, but it is true in this case. Detroit has capitalized in both games on mistakes by Chicago. They seem minuscule and trite, but they are mistakes. And Detroit will pounce on each and every one that Chicago gives them. I'm not saying that this will be a sweep. I am saying for Chicago to win a couple they will have to play Detroit's style of play; puck possession and keeping their sticks on the ice.

I wouldnt say that just yet. Chi outshot Det 39-38 in game 2. While not an impressive margin, the fact that the Wings, even on thier bad days, NEVER get outshot, is impressive for Chicago, they really brought the hussle. If they continue to outshoot (which will be extremely hard for them to do) They can just play the odds game and win in the long run.

Squisher was right, Toews kind of gave up on the play that lead to the game winner. Maybe he thought Samuelsson wasn't going to go up ice with the rush? Regardless, it's that kind of play that will kill the hawks. They can make mistakes, they just need to keep the intensity/pressure on the Wings to have a chance.

That said, I don't think they are quite experienced nor deep enough come back from an 0-2 start.

 

[xSauronx]

meh, i work tonight so im gonna miss the canes game, sooo...

LET'S GO HURRICANES

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: NoCreativity

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Sentrosi2121
The only way Chicago can beat Detroit is by playing mistake-free hockey. I know that is usually parrot-speak for all the NHL "Experts" around, but it is true in this case. Detroit has capitalized in both games on mistakes by Chicago. They seem minuscule and trite, but they are mistakes. And Detroit will pounce on each and every one that Chicago gives them. I'm not saying that this will be a sweep. I am saying for Chicago to win a couple they will have to play Detroit's style of play; puck possession and keeping their sticks on the ice.

I wouldnt say that just yet. Chi outshot Det 39-38 in game 2. While not an impressive margin, the fact that the Wings, even on thier bad days, NEVER get outshot, is impressive for Chicago, they really brought the hussle. If they continue to outshoot (which will be extremely hard for them to do) They can just play the odds game and win in the long run.

Squisher was right, Toews kind of gave up on the play that lead to the game winner. Maybe he thought Samuelsson wasn't going to go up ice with the rush? Regardless, it's that kind of play that will kill the hawks. They can make mistakes, they just need to keep the intensity/pressure on the Wings to have a chance.

That said, I don't think they are quite experienced nor deep enough come back from an 0-2 start.

I agree, but the Hawks haven't played on home ice yet. I've seen a lot of playoff series' go from no hope to a game 7 pretty easy.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: NoCreativity

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Sentrosi2121
The only way Chicago can beat Detroit is by playing mistake-free hockey. I know that is usually parrot-speak for all the NHL "Experts" around, but it is true in this case. Detroit has capitalized in both games on mistakes by Chicago. They seem minuscule and trite, but they are mistakes. And Detroit will pounce on each and every one that Chicago gives them. I'm not saying that this will be a sweep. I am saying for Chicago to win a couple they will have to play Detroit's style of play; puck possession and keeping their sticks on the ice.

I wouldnt say that just yet. Chi outshot Det 39-38 in game 2. While not an impressive margin, the fact that the Wings, even on thier bad days, NEVER get outshot, is impressive for Chicago, they really brought the hussle. If they continue to outshoot (which will be extremely hard for them to do) They can just play the odds game and win in the long run.

Squisher was right, Toews kind of gave up on the play that lead to the game winner. Maybe he thought Samuelsson wasn't going to go up ice with the rush? Regardless, it's that kind of play that will kill the hawks. They can make mistakes, they just need to keep the intensity/pressure on the Wings to have a chance.

That said, I don't think they are quite experienced nor deep enough come back from an 0-2 start.

I agree, but the Hawks haven't played on home ice yet. I've seen a lot of playoff series' go from no hope to a game 7 pretty easy.

Datsyuk is doubtful for game 3. Took a puck off his foot.