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Ovechkin is probably the most skilled player in the league. I doubt people would debate that. The thing is, we simply do not know what he would be like with a second top notch player on his team. Would he get the same # of goals and more assists? Or would he do nothing more in the assist department but get more goals due to better passing from star #2? Or would nothing change?

Malkin and Crosby are both top 10 type players in the league. Probably top 5.
 

NoCreativity

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Both teams look pretty good. Wings need to stop the turn overs though and maybe even get a shot or two on goal. Looks like they are a little hesitant out there, trying to play things safe.
 

NoCreativity

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Pens are playing great positional hockey right now. Getting in the way of most of the Wings chances. And seem to have an extra step on the Wings. Osgood has kept them in the game though. Turn overs are still an issue as well as the I don't want the puck you go after it crap.

Have a feeling we will be watching the final game Friday.
 

Squisher

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Osgood is the best player on the ice.

Redwings are playing a typical road hockey game, don't expend a lot of energy, limit the other team's chances, keep it close. Not something you expect from the SCF.

Let us see if they can close it out.

 

Train

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Originally posted by: Squisher
Osgood is the best player on the ice.

Redwings are playing a typical road hockey game, don't expend a lot of energy, limit the other team's chances, keep it close. Not something you expect from the SCF.

Let us see if they can close it out.
Tonight I would say Zetterburg is shit hot. That one off the post was brilliant. Just a hair outside. A lot of other amazing posessions

 

lupi

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unless something real screwy happens with a minute to go, it's looking like an amazing game 7 coming.
 

meltdown75

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YEAHHHHHHHHHH baby

7th Heaven Friday night.... here we come biyaaaaaaaattttttchhhhhhhhessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss WHAT WHAT WHATTTTTTTTTTTTT
 

Quiksilver

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Excellent game but plenty of bad mistakes made by Samuelsson. Also once again several of our players fail to show there heads in the finals.(I'm looking at you Hossa, Hudler, Holmstrom, Cleary *shitty breakway attempt*)
Not too mention in the first period where we had like 3 or so 3 on 2's and instead of trying to step it up 2 of the players would go for a change.
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: GullyFoyle
Originally posted by: kstu
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Malkin might be a whiner. Taking stupid penalties and such but the comments about Crosby are unfounded.

lulz...

We contacted all 30 teams and heard from 193 players, or roughly 21 percent of active players. Here's what they told us:

QUESTION 4: WHICH PLAYER COMPLAINS THE MOST ON THE ICE?

? TOP VOTE-GETTER: Sidney Crosby (52%).
? OTHER MENTIONS: Chris Pronger (8%); Sean Avery (7%); Steve Ott (5%); Ryan Getzlaf (4%); Shane Doan (3%); Marc Savard, Darcy Tucker (2%); Todd Bertuzzi, Mike Richards, Kris Draper (1%); 8 players with one vote.

Here

This was covered in the article about Sydney Crosby Derangement Syndrome (SCDS):

And it extends beyond the fans.

He also doesn?t get the respect he deserves from of his peers. In a recent Sports Illustrated survey that asked 324 NHL players who the best player in hockey was, Crosby tied for eighth place with a whopping 1.9 percent of the vote.

Three members of the Detroit Red Wings finished ahead of Crosby, as did teammate Evgeni Malkin, who received seven percent of the votes.

While I?m a huge fan of Geno and can understand why some would favor him, the fact that he got more than three times as many votes is absurd.

The players are not immune to the same motivations that fans have for their disdain of Crosby, arguably, they have more reason to be infected...

That article maybe on to something, but saying he's the best player in the league? GTFOOH. The Great 8 is hands down the best player in the league, we haven't seen such a scorer since Lemieux/Gretzky. While both players make their teams better and Crosby may be a better passer, he can't match Ovi's laserbeam shotmaking ability nor possess that 0-60 speed.

Ovi's 219 goals = only the 4th player in NHL history to have 200+ in 4 seasons alongside Gretzky, Bossy, and Lemieux. His 65 goals in 2008 = single season record for a left winger.

While Crosby's recordbreaking age records are great (youngest Captain, youngest 100+pt scorer, youngest player in league history to win the Art Ross Trophy as scoring champion/Hart Trophy from writers as most valuable player/the Pearson Award from his peers as most outstanding player in his second season), he does have the great Malkin beside him which inflates his stats. Give Ovi another superstar (the ancient Federov and Kozlov don't count) and the Caps would be a dynasty (think Oilers and Gretzky/Coffey/Kurri = Ovi/Green/anothersuperstar). I would bet that Ovi would score in the 70-80 goal range with someone else who is a big time threat to take the attention off of him.

Crosby and Malkin play on different lines 90% of the time... generally they are only together on powerplays.
 

coloumb

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Originally posted by: Quiksilver
>_>
Excellent game but plenty of bad mistakes made by Samuelsson. Also once again several of our players fail to show there heads in the finals.(I'm looking at you Hossa, Hudler, Holmstrom, Cleary *shitty breakway attempt*)
Not too mention in the first period where we had like 3 or so 3 on 2's and instead of trying to step it up 2 of the players would go for a change.
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

That's the only reason the Pens won game 2, 3, and 6 - it was a refs game. Detroit couldn't do much about it - so they couldn't play like the did on home ice.



 

Quiksilver

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Originally posted by: coloumb
Originally posted by: Quiksilver
>_>
Excellent game but plenty of bad mistakes made by Samuelsson. Also once again several of our players fail to show there heads in the finals.(I'm looking at you Hossa, Hudler, Holmstrom, Cleary *shitty breakway attempt*)
Not too mention in the first period where we had like 3 or so 3 on 2's and instead of trying to step it up 2 of the players would go for a change.
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

That's the only reason the Pens won game 2, 3, and 6 - it was a refs game. Detroit couldn't do much about it - so they couldn't play like the did on home ice.

I wouldn't place all the blame on the ref's but they did have a small part in it; hell even in the games we've won pen's fans can agree on this too.

However, let me copy and paste part of what I put on the DRW forums...

I'm am completely floored with the officiating during the whole god damned playoffs and this game has finally broken me. During the season all the calls were somewhat consistant and calls that should be and need to be made were called. In the early in the playoffs those calls were still made but as these rounds have gone on and on the calls have became less and less and now even the obvious calls are being thrown out. Now I'm starting to get pissed because these plays are leading to mistakes on both sides of the ice and hindering skilled hockey. These ref's aren't ref's any more they all were clowns of the worst kind and given power, stripes, and a kazoo. I guess you could say my the text in my sig applies. (What is in my sig: The only thing that remains consistent in the NHL is the inconsistency of calls made by the referees.)

To make my point a little more clear, I am not blaming solely the refs and one player for this game we lost. We lost it as a team with our piss poor start which lead to a momentum swing in favor of the pen's, it didn't help that the clowns in stripes couldn't find their kazoo's until the third; but we were able to skate around the balloon animals in our way. Then of course several of our key players which are supposed to be helping make our team deep have yet to show their skills; I'm looking at you Hossa, Cleary (more and more showing your salary isn't worth it; especially at that breakaway attempt), Hudler, and Holmstrom) now with game 7 friday all of them need to step up or GTFO.

You cannot rest everything on the ref's shoulders, it is a team sport and only half the team shows up to play the game then your bound to lose especially when things are not going your way.
 

TraumaRN

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Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Originally posted by: coloumb
Originally posted by: Quiksilver
>_>
Excellent game but plenty of bad mistakes made by Samuelsson. Also once again several of our players fail to show there heads in the finals.(I'm looking at you Hossa, Hudler, Holmstrom, Cleary *shitty breakway attempt*)
Not too mention in the first period where we had like 3 or so 3 on 2's and instead of trying to step it up 2 of the players would go for a change.
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

That's the only reason the Pens won game 2, 3, and 6 - it was a refs game. Detroit couldn't do much about it - so they couldn't play like the did on home ice.

I wouldn't place all the blame on the ref's but they did have a small part in it; hell even in the games we've won pen's fans can agree on this too.

However, let me copy and paste part of what I put on the DRW forums...

I'm am completely floored with the officiating during the whole god damned playoffs and this game has finally broken me. During the season all the calls were somewhat consistant and calls that should be and need to be made were called. In the early in the playoffs those calls were still made but as these rounds have gone on and on the calls have became less and less and now even the obvious calls are being thrown out. Now I'm starting to get pissed because these plays are leading to mistakes on both sides of the ice and hindering skilled hockey. These ref's aren't ref's any more they all were clowns of the worst kind and given power, stripes, and a kazoo. I guess you could say my the text in my sig applies. (What is in my sig: The only thing that remains consistent in the NHL is the inconsistency of calls made by the referees.)

To make my point a little more clear, I am not blaming solely the refs and one player for this game we lost. We lost it as a team with our piss poor start which lead to a momentum swing in favor of the pen's, it didn't help that the clowns in stripes couldn't find their kazoo's until the third; but we were able to skate around the balloon animals in our way. Then of course several of our key players which are supposed to be helping make our team deep have yet to show their skills; I'm looking at you Hossa, Cleary (more and more showing your salary isn't worth it; especially at that breakaway attempt), Hudler, and Holmstrom) now with game 7 friday all of them need to step up or GTFO.

You cannot rest everything on the ref's shoulders, it is a team sport and only half the team shows up to play the game then your bound to lose especially when things are not going your way.

No you can't rest it on the refs, but there was a couple HORRIBLE non-call interferences(on both sides of the ice). And the dagger goal by the Pens was preceded approximately 1 minute before that by a blatant tripping/holding by the Pens.

I don't mind the refs letting them play, but when it begins to dictate an outcome and puts players at risk for injury, its not cool whatsoever.

I mean you could feel it from the start of the game, simply because last game had lots of penalties, this game wouldn't and that rung true. Only 4 penalties for the whole game. I saw at least 8 incidents that would have been penalties in the regular season that were not called tonight.
 

Quiksilver

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Originally posted by: DeathBUA
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No you can't rest it on the refs, but there was a couple HORRIBLE non-call interferences(on both sides of the ice). And the dagger goal by the Pens was preceded approximately 1 minute before that by a blatant tripping/holding by the Pens.

I don't mind the refs letting them play, but when it begins to dictate an outcome and puts players at risk for injury, its not cool whatsoever.

I mean you could feel it from the start of the game, simply because last game had lots of penalties, this game wouldn't and that rung true. Only 4 penalties for the whole game. I saw at least 8 incidents that would have been penalties in the regular season that were not called tonight.

I can't disagree with that.
I just wish they would call it more like the did during the season...
 
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