Official 2008-2009 NHL thread.

[KK]

I didn't get to see them play tonight. Other than the score being in pens favor how was the game play?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SP33Demon


That article maybe on to something, but saying he's the best player in the league? GTFOOH. The Great 8 is hands down the best player in the league, we haven't seen such a scorer since Lemieux/Gretzky. While both players make their teams better and Crosby may be a better passer, he can't match Ovi's laserbeam shotmaking ability nor possess that 0-60 speed.

Ovi's 219 goals = only the 4th player in NHL history to have 200+ in 4 seasons alongside Gretzky, Bossy, and Lemieux. His 65 goals in 2008 = single season record for a left winger.

While Crosby's recordbreaking age records are great (youngest Captain, youngest 100+pt scorer, youngest player in league history to win the Art Ross Trophy as scoring champion/Hart Trophy from writers as most valuable player/the Pearson Award from his peers as most outstanding player in his second season), he does have the great Malkin beside him which inflates his stats. Give Ovi another superstar (the ancient Federov and Kozlov don't count) and the Caps would be a dynasty (think Oilers and Gretzky/Coffey/Kurri = Ovi/Green/anothersuperstar). I would bet that Ovi would score in the 70-80 goal range with someone else who is a big time threat to take the attention off of him.

Crosby and Malkin play on different lines 90% of the time... generally they are only together on powerplays.

You'll have to forgive his ignorance, he can't help it: 1) He's a WVU fan and 2) He's a Caps fan

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

I came to this thread to see if a Detroit fan bitched about the officiating. I was not disappointed. Even all of the Detroit fans I'm friends with are the same way. I honestly just laugh at them. It pisses them off but I don't even care. Any time they lose it's because of something the refs did. Anytime they win it's because, well, they're fucking Detroit that's what they do!

Go game 7! (because that's what I've been rooting for the entire time... couldn't care less about either team)

 

[JDub02]

what a great hockey game. the last few minutes were spectacular. looking forward to game 7. hopefully the pens can figure out how to play on the road and at least make a game of it.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
>_>
Excellent game but plenty of bad mistakes made by Samuelsson. Also once again several of our players fail to show there heads in the finals.(I'm looking at you Hossa, Hudler, Holmstrom, Cleary *shitty breakway attempt*)
Not too mention in the first period where we had like 3 or so 3 on 2's and instead of trying to step it up 2 of the players would go for a change.
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

/agreed, Samualsson sucked donkey in that game. How many turnovers/bad passes did he have? Almost seemed like he was trying to sabotage them with some point shaving.

Hossa, they think he's still hurt from the last series so can't fault him much. Also agree on the early minors on Detroit, especially the first was some home cooking on the whistles.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

I came to this thread to see if a Detroit fan bitched about the officiating. I was not disappointed. Even all of the Detroit fans I'm friends with are the same way. I honestly just laugh at them. It pisses them off but I don't even care. Any time they lose it's because of something the refs did. Anytime they win it's because, well, they're fucking Detroit that's what they do!

Go game 7! (because that's what I've been rooting for the entire time... couldn't care less about either team)

you could also find a pens fan bitching about refs in every one of thier losses... do you have a point?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: sao123
Crosby and Malkin play on different lines 90% of the time... generally they are only together on powerplays.

What are you talking about? Last night they started the game on the same shift, do you even watch hockey? Did you watch last night's game? They have played ALOT on the same shifts this year, especially before they acquired sniper Bill Guerin. Sure it's not ideal due to the same position, but neither player's stats have suffered... Malkin is winning the freaking Art Ross this year. I'd say they reaped the benefits of each other more than once.

From February (before Guerin)

Now, the offense is thinner. Without topflight help on the wing, superstar centers Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin don't have as much support. As a result, they've been used together on the same line. That's not an ideal situation for two guys who both want to play the middle. And when they're stacked on the same trio, the Penguins pretty much become a one-line team. In fact, this season, Therrien often had the team playing a passive, trapping game to hide the shortcomings.

To reiterate: If Ovechkin had another superstar (same line or not - it doesn't matter) like Gretzy/Kurri/Coffey to compliment he/Mike Green they would be a dynasty. In addition, you can almost argue that the Pens, if they stay healthy, are already in beginning stages of a dynasty with Malkin/Crosby by making it to the finals last year and completely turning their season around at the trading deadline with a new coach and winger.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Train
Meh, Winning at home is too easy for the wings. Only thing that sucks is I gotta wait all the way until friday.

hahaha. i :heart: cocky Wings fans

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SP33Demon


That article maybe on to something, but saying he's the best player in the league? GTFOOH. The Great 8 is hands down the best player in the league, we haven't seen such a scorer since Lemieux/Gretzky. While both players make their teams better and Crosby may be a better passer, he can't match Ovi's laserbeam shotmaking ability nor possess that 0-60 speed.

Ovi's 219 goals = only the 4th player in NHL history to have 200+ in 4 seasons alongside Gretzky, Bossy, and Lemieux. His 65 goals in 2008 = single season record for a left winger.

While Crosby's recordbreaking age records are great (youngest Captain, youngest 100+pt scorer, youngest player in league history to win the Art Ross Trophy as scoring champion/Hart Trophy from writers as most valuable player/the Pearson Award from his peers as most outstanding player in his second season), he does have the great Malkin beside him which inflates his stats. Give Ovi another superstar (the ancient Federov and Kozlov don't count) and the Caps would be a dynasty (think Oilers and Gretzky/Coffey/Kurri = Ovi/Green/anothersuperstar). I would bet that Ovi would score in the 70-80 goal range with someone else who is a big time threat to take the attention off of him.

Crosby and Malkin play on different lines 90% of the time... generally they are only together on powerplays.

You'll have to forgive his ignorance, he can't help it: 1) He's a WVU fan and 2) He's a Caps fan

Read my reply above, and no I'm not a Caps fan (Flyers), I'm from Philly (do a search for the World Series thread). Add something relevant to the discussion, like firing a neuron (I know, there's not many so it's a big request) and try to rebuke that Ovi is the best player in the NHL. /kisses

 

[Wreckage]

So which Pen player will try to trade to the Wings during the offseason so they to can have a real shot at the cup?

Maybe Hossa will let Crosby and Malkin at least have their picture taken with it.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

I came to this thread to see if a Detroit fan bitched about the officiating. I was not disappointed. Even all of the Detroit fans I'm friends with are the same way. I honestly just laugh at them. It pisses them off but I don't even care. Any time they lose it's because of something the refs did. Anytime they win it's because, well, they're fucking Detroit that's what they do!

Go game 7! (because that's what I've been rooting for the entire time... couldn't care less about either team)

you could also find a pens fan bitching about refs in every one of thier losses... do you have a point?

I don't see it quite as prevalent in this thread nor do I personally know any pens fans. I even went back and checked it. The majority of pens fans here complain that the don't get the breaks/bounces when they lose but don't come right out and say the only reason they could possibly lose to the wings is due to officiating. That's pretty much a wings fan cornered market.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So which Pen player will try to trade to the Wings during the offseason so they to can have a real shot at the cup?

Maybe Hossa will let Crosby and Malkin at least have their picture taken with it.

I assume there would be a pay bump as well?

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

I came to this thread to see if a Detroit fan bitched about the officiating. I was not disappointed. Even all of the Detroit fans I'm friends with are the same way. I honestly just laugh at them. It pisses them off but I don't even care. Any time they lose it's because of something the refs did. Anytime they win it's because, well, they're fucking Detroit that's what they do!

Go game 7! (because that's what I've been rooting for the entire time... couldn't care less about either team)

you could also find a pens fan bitching about refs in every one of thier losses... do you have a point?

I don't see it quite as prevalent in this thread nor do I personally know any pens fans. I even went back and checked it. The majority of pens fans here complain that the don't get the breaks/bounces when they lose but don't come right out and say the only reason they could possibly lose to the wings is due to officiating. That's pretty much a wings fan cornered market.

I was not disappointed in your post, lol.

Weren't the penguins going bankrupt a few years back because no one was showing up at thier games? Then lemuiex had to give them a cash infusion to stay alive?

And now they have rally's outside the stadium, lol talk about a city of bandwagoners.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Train
And now they have rally's outside the stadium, lol talk about a city of bandwagoners.

don't even go there. I live in Windsor, this would be the Red Wing bandwagon capital of the world if it weren't for Detroit.

The Joe is half-empty (even though they brag about consecutive home "sellout" streaks) for the entire regular season. once the playoffs start, the bandwagon's axles are ready to snap. half the people at the games don't even know what an offside is. you go to a game and every time a Wing touches the puck, half the place yells "shooooot!!". Ozzie makes a routine save, half the place chants "ozzie ozzie".

don't try to say Detroit isn't a bandwagon club. More than any other team in the league, their fanbase is comprised of bandwagoners that don't know squat about hockey.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Train
And now they have rally's outside the stadium, lol talk about a city of bandwagoners.

don't even go there. I live in Windsor, this would be the Red Wing bandwagon capital of the world if it weren't for Detroit.

The Joe is half-empty (even though they brag about consecutive home "sellout" streaks) for the entire regular season. once the playoffs start, the bandwagon's axles are ready to snap. half the people at the games don't even know what an offside is. you go to a game and every time a Wing touches the puck, half the place yells "shooooot!!". Ozzie makes a routine save, half the place chants "ozzie ozzie".

don't try to say Detroit isn't a bandwagon club. More than any other team in the league, their fanbase is comprised of bandwagoners that don't know squat about hockey.

Pretty subjective, you could whip out some anecdotal evidence

Wings have been the leagues most profitable team for so many years running... even prior to the 1997 Cup, there was no worry of going bankrupt. People in Michigan know hockey. MSU and UM, Northern Michigan and Marquette, easily the most hockey knowledgeable state in the US. When theres not Pro games at the Joe, there's College games, then theres the plethora of Minor league teams all over.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So which Pen player will try to trade to the Wings during the offseason so they to can have a real shot at the cup?

Maybe Hossa will let Crosby and Malkin at least have their picture taken with it.

Holy Crap!!

Wreckage is supporting the "Red" team!

Don't let Nvidia find out!

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Train
And now they have rally's outside the stadium, lol talk about a city of bandwagoners.

don't even go there. I live in Windsor, this would be the Red Wing bandwagon capital of the world if it weren't for Detroit.

The Joe is half-empty (even though they brag about consecutive home "sellout" streaks) for the entire regular season. once the playoffs start, the bandwagon's axles are ready to snap. half the people at the games don't even know what an offside is. you go to a game and every time a Wing touches the puck, half the place yells "shooooot!!". Ozzie makes a routine save, half the place chants "ozzie ozzie".

don't try to say Detroit isn't a bandwagon club. More than any other team in the league, their fanbase is comprised of bandwagoners that don't know squat about hockey.

Pretty subjective, you could whip out some anecdotal evidence

Wings have been the leagues most profitable team for so many years running... even prior to the 1997 Cup, there was no worry of going bankrupt. People in Michigan know hockey. MSU and UM, Northern Michigan and Marquette, easily the most hockey knowledgeable state in the US. When theres not Pro games at the Joe, there's College games, then theres the plethora of Minor league teams all over.

tell me that the Wings fan base is not comprised of at least 40% bandwagon jumpers. tell me, please. that is the issue, not whether or not Michigan is a hockey state. i've been to college games at the Joe, i've been to college games at Michigan State, hell i've been to college games in frickin Omaha. that's not the point.

just tell me there are more bandwagon fans in Pittsburgh. I need to have a good laugh.

every time you point the finger at someone, there are 4 pointing back at you. i just thought if you are going to talk bandwagon fans, you should know that there is no better example in sports than the Detroit Red Wings.

 

[Train]

So whens the last time the Wings were in danger of bankruptcy because people werent buying tickets?

really...

 

[Paratus]

Just for comparisons sake. The igloo has been sold out for two years straight.

Just saying.

(posted via Palm Pre)

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So which Pen player will try to trade to the Wings during the offseason so they to can have a real shot at the cup?

Maybe Hossa will let Crosby and Malkin at least have their picture taken with it.

Holy Crap!!

Wreckage is supporting the "Red" team!

Don't let Nvidia find out!

Yah know the red wings logo would look pretty sweet on a video card

I should dig out my old airbrush.....

EDIT: However the Penguins logo would probably make most people think it has something to do with Linux.

 

[GullyFoyle]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

I came to this thread to see if a Detroit fan bitched about the officiating. I was not disappointed. Even all of the Detroit fans I'm friends with are the same way. I honestly just laugh at them. It pisses them off but I don't even care. Any time they lose it's because of something the refs did. Anytime they win it's because, well, they're fucking Detroit that's what they do!

Go game 7! (because that's what I've been rooting for the entire time... couldn't care less about either team)

you could also find a pens fan bitching about refs in every one of thier losses... do you have a point?

I don't see it quite as prevalent in this thread nor do I personally know any pens fans. I even went back and checked it. The majority of pens fans here complain that the don't get the breaks/bounces when they lose but don't come right out and say the only reason they could possibly lose to the wings is due to officiating. That's pretty much a wings fan cornered market.

I was not disappointed in your post, lol.

Weren't the penguins going bankrupt a few years back because no one was showing up at thier games? Then lemuiex had to give them a cash infusion to stay alive?

And now they have rally's outside the stadium, lol talk about a city of bandwagoners.

Nice deflection, heh.

A clubs financial health has a lot to do with making money off people that may rarely, if ever, come to a game.
Detroit has a lot of fans outside Detroit for the same reason the Steelers have a lot of fans outside Pittsburgh. People without a home team that are interested in the sport want to pick a team to follow/claim as their own that is a winner. I'm learning that lot of my interwebs friends from all over the country are Redwings fans, yet most of them are from nowhere near Detroit. This isn't because the redwings are cool dudes to hang out with, it is because they win championships.
For the same reason, the Penguins are one of the fastest growing fanchises in sports. That's just the way it is, people like winners.
And don't forget the Pens have to compete with the Superbowl champion Steelers for the local fans limited dollars. Thank god the Wings don't have to worry about that in Detroit...

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: GullyFoyle

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

I came to this thread to see if a Detroit fan bitched about the officiating. I was not disappointed. Even all of the Detroit fans I'm friends with are the same way. I honestly just laugh at them. It pisses them off but I don't even care. Any time they lose it's because of something the refs did. Anytime they win it's because, well, they're fucking Detroit that's what they do!

Go game 7! (because that's what I've been rooting for the entire time... couldn't care less about either team)

you could also find a pens fan bitching about refs in every one of thier losses... do you have a point?

I don't see it quite as prevalent in this thread nor do I personally know any pens fans. I even went back and checked it. The majority of pens fans here complain that the don't get the breaks/bounces when they lose but don't come right out and say the only reason they could possibly lose to the wings is due to officiating. That's pretty much a wings fan cornered market.

I was not disappointed in your post, lol.

Weren't the penguins going bankrupt a few years back because no one was showing up at thier games? Then lemuiex had to give them a cash infusion to stay alive?

And now they have rally's outside the stadium, lol talk about a city of bandwagoners.

Nice deflection, heh.

A clubs financial health has a lot to do with making money off people that may rarely, if ever, come to a game.
Detroit has a lot of fans outside Detroit for the same reason the Steelers have a lot of fans outside Pittsburgh. People without a home team that are interested in the sport want to pick a team to follow/claim as their own that is a winner. I'm learning that lot of my interwebs friends from all over the country are Redwings fans, yet most of them are from nowhere near Detroit. This isn't because the redwings are cool dudes to hang out with, it is because they win championships.
For the same reason, the Penguins are one of the fastest growing fanchises in sports. That's just the way it is, people like winners.
And don't forget the Pens have to compete with the Superbowl champion Steelers for the local fans limited dollars. Thank god the Wings don't have to worry about that in Detroit...

The point is, even before thier current respective playoff streaks... The wings were never in danger of collapsing... the Pens were.

And yes, there are other sports in Detroit, the Pistons won it all in 2004, and have been on an ~8 year playoff streak. Back in 89-90 they bad boys were the hot ticket in Detroit. Red Wings were still ok. The Tigers made it to the World Series in 05.. Wings were fine. Even back in the 80's when the wings werent winning cups, and the Tigers and Pistons were winning it all.... Wings were fine, fans still loved them enough to show up. ANd more recently theres the Detroit Shock, something like 5 out of 7 league championships...

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So which Pen player will try to trade to the Wings during the offseason so they to can have a real shot at the cup?

Maybe Hossa will let Crosby and Malkin at least have their picture taken with it.

Ozzy has a few years left, but maybe Scuderi can back him up.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Train
And now they have rally's outside the stadium, lol talk about a city of bandwagoners.

don't even go there. I live in Windsor, this would be the Red Wing bandwagon capital of the world if it weren't for Detroit.

The Joe is half-empty (even though they brag about consecutive home "sellout" streaks) for the entire regular season. once the playoffs start, the bandwagon's axles are ready to snap. half the people at the games don't even know what an offside is. you go to a game and every time a Wing touches the puck, half the place yells "shooooot!!". Ozzie makes a routine save, half the place chants "ozzie ozzie".

don't try to say Detroit isn't a bandwagon club. More than any other team in the league, their fanbase is comprised of bandwagoners that don't know squat about hockey.

What a load of crap.

The Joe is half empty? You couldn't even find a seat for like 15 years running until the economy went on the skids.

Detroit fans don't know hockey? I know weed is legal over there, but someone should tell you to not drink the bong water.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
Finally, about god damned time the ref's found their whistles mid-third period. Not too mention the one on Zetterberg was bullshit but I can let it slide sames it's happened numerous times.

I came to this thread to see if a Detroit fan bitched about the officiating. I was not disappointed. Even all of the Detroit fans I'm friends with are the same way. I honestly just laugh at them. It pisses them off but I don't even care. Any time they lose it's because of something the refs did. Anytime they win it's because, well, they're fucking Detroit that's what they do!

Go game 7! (because that's what I've been rooting for the entire time... couldn't care less about either team)

I hope you're not feeling too smug with yourself if all you can find is someone pointing out that the refs didn't blow the whistle much last night. I don't see anywhere in Quiksilver's post where he blamed the loss on the refs, but don't let me or anyone else stop you from laughing at people. :roll: