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ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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Normally, I like to play on day like today to buy into the down open. I'm not doing that today. I'm aware there will likely be rally attempt today and there's the Fed's "invisible hand" waiting and could intervene anytime. Unless we totally melt, I will sit on my hand. I want better prices.
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Bank Of America is working towards going Chapter 11. Why on earth are they buying Meryl Lynch? They keep aquiring poorly run companies. The last good thing they did was buy Fleet many years ago.

<== pissed off BAC share holder.
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: vi edit
TD Ameritrade's site is getting clobbered. I can't even get in to get quotes in my account. It was a bloodbath in the portfolio snapshot I did see though.

MArkets tanked and 20 minutes later they are flat.

Don't fret to much. At worse, you missed an opportunity but probably aren't a value investor anyways so you wouldn't have pulled the trigger because of fear.
 

Slew Foot

Lifer
Sep 22, 2005
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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Bank Of America is working towards going Chapter 11. Why on earth are they buying Meryl Lynch? They keep aquiring poorly run companies. The last good thing they did was buy Fleet many years ago.

<== pissed off BAC share holder.

Now you get to sift through Countrywide's shit and whatever garbage ML has on their hands.o
 

Gigantopithecus

Diamond Member
Dec 14, 2004
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Weak, Dow's only down ~2.5%. I was hoping for live, serious destruction. This is like Godzilla coming on shore, taking a shit in the municipal pool, & heading back out to sea.
 

richardycc

Diamond Member
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Holy crap, is Ameritrades login busted?


looks like it...I called their Apex 800 service number and got 'please call back later' message...what a joke!

now that I think about it, maybe they are doing us a favor, if noone can login, no panic selling from regular joes.
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: richardycc
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Holy crap, is Ameritrades login busted?


looks like it...I called their Apex 800 service number and got 'please call back later' message...what a joke!

now that I think about it, maybe they are doing us a favor, if noone can login, no panic selling from regular joes.

Or a class action law suit.

I do options and want to be able to cancel orders as others are filled.

EDIT: it is back up. Must have been down 20-30 minutes.

Time to upgrade their servers!!!
 

ivan2

Diamond Member
Mar 6, 2000
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Originally posted by: richardycc
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Holy crap, is Ameritrades login busted?


looks like it...I called their Apex 800 service number and got 'please call back later' message...what a joke!

now that I think about it, maybe they are doing us a favor, if noone can login, no panic selling from regular joes.

well i was able to slip in an order after relogging 3 times... I guess it's an ongoing issue.
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Weak, Dow's only down ~2.5%. I was hoping for live, serious destruction. This is like Godzilla coming on shore, taking a shit in the municipal pool, & heading back out to sea.

Sit back, take a deep breath.

What actually happened? NOTHING. One company is going under and the fact that it is/was in bad shape is no secret.
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
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Shorted WLT this morning, got in at 66.83 and out at 62.20 about a half hour later.

*EDIT* EUR/USD saw a nice move this morning before the market opened as well. I made a few trades, riding the 200 pip move... ended up 50 pips ahead. I think I'm done for the day... I may take another look after lunch.

**EDIT** I'm also now long on WLT... in at 62.90
 

DomS

Banned
Jul 15, 2008
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Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Weak, Dow's only down ~2.5%. I was hoping for live, serious destruction. This is like Godzilla coming on shore, taking a shit in the municipal pool, & heading back out to sea.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAAHA...::GASP::: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH

That's going in my sig.


But yeah, I was definitely circling like a vulture waiting for a bigger blood bath
 

Special K

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2000
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I'm surprised things have been holding pretty steady at -2.XX% today. I was expecting a 3-5% plunge.
 

EKKC

Diamond Member
May 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Bank Of America is working towards going Chapter 11. Why on earth are they buying Meryl Lynch? They keep aquiring poorly run companies. The last good thing they did was buy Fleet many years ago.

<== pissed off BAC share holder.

Now you get to sift through Countrywide's shit and whatever garbage ML has on their hands.o

next up: AIG and WAMU!
 

DomS

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Jul 15, 2008
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WTF??I go birdwatching for a couple hours and come back and the market tanked even worse! I was actually mostly green around 2:00 PM when I left...come home and I have one security at even, and the rest are losers on the day.
 

Golgatha

Lifer
Jul 18, 2003
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Originally posted by: DomS
WTF??I go birdwatching for a couple hours and come back and the market tanked even worse! I was actually mostly green around 2:00 PM when I left...come home and I have one security at even, and the rest are losers on the day.

I officially hate this current economy. 4.7% down on the S&P 500 in one day. Just unbelievable.
 

Azurik

Platinum Member
Jan 23, 2002
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Originally posted by: ricochet
Over 500 point drop for the DJIA. Brutal day indeed.

I think this is the worst DOW drop since 9/11 if I can recall correctly. It dropped close to 700 points that day.

I wish I had more ammo to buy RMBS.
 

HopJokey

Platinum Member
May 6, 2005
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Originally posted by: Azurik
Originally posted by: ricochet
Over 500 point drop for the DJIA. Brutal day indeed.

I think this is the worst DOW drop since 9/11 if I can recall correctly. It dropped close to 700 points that day.

I wish I had more ammo to buy RMBS.

Why, what's so great about Rambus?
 

Cal166

Diamond Member
May 6, 2000
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Originally posted by: HopJokey
Originally posted by: Azurik
Originally posted by: ricochet
Over 500 point drop for the DJIA. Brutal day indeed.

I think this is the worst DOW drop since 9/11 if I can recall correctly. It dropped close to 700 points that day.

I wish I had more ammo to buy RMBS.

Why, what's so great about Rambus?

I am interested as well and believe you had mention it before.
 

Azurik

Platinum Member
Jan 23, 2002
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Originally posted by: Cal166
Originally posted by: HopJokey
Originally posted by: Azurik
Originally posted by: ricochet
Over 500 point drop for the DJIA. Brutal day indeed.

I think this is the worst DOW drop since 9/11 if I can recall correctly. It dropped close to 700 points that day.

I wish I had more ammo to buy RMBS.

Why, what's so great about Rambus?

I am interested as well and believe you had mention it before.

I have followed this stock for years (10+). It is, without a question, a company I know far more about than any other company I have investments in. I used to believe in the efficient market theory - that all future events are priced into the current stock price, but I no longer hold that philosphy. A big part of it due to this stock. I don't want people to just follow what I buy... but I am adamant if there was one stock this decade to own, Rambus would be it. It should not be trading at this level, and won't soon.

My neighbor is a multi-millionaire because of this stock back in the go-go days. His boss was Stuart Steele, who at one time was Rambus' largest shareholder with over 7 million shares. Mr. Steele lives in Bedford, NH which is 20 minutes away from me. He used to fly back and forth to CA for the court cases and I've met a few who attended.

Litigation always takes longer than expected, but we're a lot more closer to the end than anytime before. Anyway, this is what I wrote this sometime ago:

"If the litigation is going the way it is, then the answer is yes, Rambus will be in business for the foreseeable future.

They are currently in multiple litigations, claiming that DRAM manufacturers stole Rambus IP (intellectual property) and engineered it into their DRAM production (SDRAM, DDR, DDR2, GDDR4, GDDR5 etc.). Back in the 90's, Rambus joined a standard committee (JEDEC) to license their IP and receive royalties. Instead, they used what they learned and morphed it to avoid RDRAM (Rambus' version of RAM). Rambus left the standard group and started to sue all the memory makers. A lot of them signed to avoid litigation, but there were 3 prominent ones who countersued (Infineon, Hynix and Micron) and refused to pay. This led to those that signed to demand a lower royalty rate and caused Rambus to incur massive litigation fees. The strategy is to burden Rambus with so much fees that the company would cease to exist.

The FTC got involved and a Judge in Virginia (Judge Payne) ruled in favor of the memory makers, but both decisions got overturned at a higher court level. The majority of the decisions since then have been falling in Rambus' favor, and an infringement verdict was finally announced in California against Hynix last year. The judge just wrapped the case up earlier this week and will announce his penalty assessments, injunctions on what type of RAM, etc. very soon.

There is a lot more to this story, but that is the backdrop to what is happening now. Court proceedings are slow, but many long-term investors are seeing the end right now. What does this all mean?

Rambus claims that all forms of memory were derived from their IP. So now it doesn't matter if the market threw away RDRAM or if their new XDR is successful now, as long as the rulings favor Rambus, memory manufacturers who didn't litigate with Rambus will pay a higher royalty rate and the ones that did fight Rambus in court will have to pay past royalties on sales, pa. Not only that, but they will have to pay a higher rate on future sales then if they didn't litigate or face injunction to stop producing infringing products. This would surely spell death if the injunction is permanent.

I don't know how else to tell you guys this, but this is HUGE. Rambus' market cap right now is only around $1.6B. A ruling on damages against Hynix is expected before August. Analyst are expecting back damages of $400M alone plus ongoing future royalties. There's multiple court dates for other companies next year, and Rambus will use this case as precedent.

I have followed court proceedings on this before. I remember one time in college, a friend of ours went to the court the day one of the judges announced his decision on paper. He managed to post the decision on Yahoo! before the AP Newswire got a hold of it. I bought a bunch of calls and shares and within 5 minutes of buying, the stock was halted to annouce the news. Once it resumed in after-hours, it went bananas and I made a killing."
 

jpeyton

Moderator in SFF, Notebooks, Pre-Built/Barebones
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Aug 23, 2003
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It's a good day to announce bad news if you don't want anyone to know about it.

HP just announced 24,600 job cuts after their EDS buyout.
 
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