Official 2008 Superbowl Championship Thread

[waffleironhead]

Basic math for ya

17-0 =100% wins

18-1 =94.7% wins

100>94.7

you=fail

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Many people in the media and on internet forums comment that the Patriots failed to equal the 1972 Dolphins. If I remember correctly, the Dolphins went 17-0 that year. To me that means that the Patriots equalled this when they went 17-0 themselves, and bested it when they went 18-0 two weeks ago. By losing the Superbowl, they simply did not achieve 19-0 and get the trophy but they had already achieved better than the Dolphins. To me, the numbers don't lie. It's like when someone achieves a new record in the high jump by, let's say, jumping 8"3" when the previous record was 8'2". Even if he/she gets beaten in the next round and looses the gold medal, the record still belongs to that person as having had the best jump ever (until it too is beaten).

So the way I see it, a team will have to get a 19-0 record at one point to best what the Pats achieved this season.

Go Vikings!!!

You're just upset that after the 17-0 season and Superbowl win the next year they won the Superbowl again with a victory over The Vikings.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: WhiteTrashWillie
Until the very last drive that game sucked, it was more a Super Bore than a Super Bowl. Manning MVP? What for, not giving the game away? Dumb Hick. If anybody deserved the MVP it was someone on the Giants Defense and nobody played better in that game than Wes Welker even though his teams offense sucked hard.

What are you talking about? Sure, it may not have been the best-played SB ever, but every drive meant somthing and the suspense was always there. That's what makes good football games, and it was there the whole game. Eli played very well. Not fantastically, but very well. You can't give the MVP to the whole defense or to Coach Spags. Who was more deserving than Eli?

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: WhiteTrashWillie
Until the very last drive that game sucked, it was more a Super Bore than a Super Bowl. Manning MVP? What for, not giving the game away? Dumb Hick. If anybody deserved the MVP it was someone on the Giants Defense and nobody played better in that game than Wes Welker even though his teams offense sucked hard.

What are you talking about? Sure, it may not have been the best-played SB ever, but every drive meant somthing and the suspense was always there. That's what makes good football games, and it was there the whole game. Eli played very well. Not fantastically, but very well. You can't give the MVP to the whole defense or to Coach Spags. Who was more deserving than Eli?

Three third down conversions in the first drive was good stuff already, Giants and Eli controlled and slowed down the pace of the game. Maybe it was boring to you, but it was exactly why Giants won, their chance came when the game wasn't a score fest.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: WhiteTrashWillie
Until the very last drive that game sucked, it was more a Super Bore than a Super Bowl. Manning MVP? What for, not giving the game away? Dumb Hick. If anybody deserved the MVP it was someone on the Giants Defense and nobody played better in that game than Wes Welker even though his teams offense sucked hard.

Nice username.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: WhiteTrashWillie
Until the very last drive that game sucked, it was more a Super Bore than a Super Bowl. Manning MVP? What for, not giving the game away? Dumb Hick. If anybody deserved the MVP it was someone on the Giants Defense and nobody played better in that game than Wes Welker even though his teams offense sucked hard.

Well, when it's the Superbowl, not giving the game away counts for one hell of a lot. Add to that, his composure throughout the game and his performance on the last drive and you have your MVP.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
Even though I am a Giants fan since early 90's, I wouldn't have minded to see the Pats win. Pity though.

18 and NO.

WTF? Well you ain't no real Giants fan.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: WhiteTrashWillie
Until the very last drive that game sucked, it was more a Super Bore than a Super Bowl. Manning MVP? What for, not giving the game away? Dumb Hick. If anybody deserved the MVP it was someone on the Giants Defense and nobody played better in that game than Wes Welker even though his teams offense sucked hard.

Well, when it's the Superbowl, not giving the game away counts for one hell of a lot. Add to that, his composure throughout the game and his performance on the last drive and you have your MVP.

The real MVP was the Giant's defensive coordinator.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: WhiteTrashWillie
Until the very last drive that game sucked, it was more a Super Bore than a Super Bowl. Manning MVP? What for, not giving the game away? Dumb Hick. If anybody deserved the MVP it was someone on the Giants Defense and nobody played better in that game than Wes Welker even though his teams offense sucked hard.

Nice username.

Hah... nice

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: aplefka
Does anyone honestly think the Giants have a chance?

I mean like seriously, without lying to yourself or us.

Dr. Z does apparently

KT

Dr. Z is an idiot.

Apparently not.

 

[leeland]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Sentrosi2121
Pats fans have replaced drunken Bears fans as the most annoying fans in the NFL.

Note the Pats fans do not have to be drunk to be annoying. OP has proven that point already.

QFMFT

although, Pats fans have been exceedingly annoying for the last 7 years or so...and I still find Bears fans annoying as sh1t.

Isn't it already a given that Illinois sports fans are dumb asses...case in point...

Cubs Fan...Bears Fan...Same Difference

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: WhiteTrashWillie
Until the very last drive that game sucked, it was more a Super Bore than a Super Bowl. Manning MVP? What for, not giving the game away? Dumb Hick. If anybody deserved the MVP it was someone on the Giants Defense and nobody played better in that game than Wes Welker even though his teams offense sucked hard.

Well, when it's the Superbowl, not giving the game away counts for one hell of a lot. Add to that, his composure throughout the game and his performance on the last drive and you have your MVP.

Bingo...

I could have easily seen it go to that Tyree guy with the amazing catch and the TD...

Or someone on the D...maybe Tuck...but the QB always gets it in a close game if he has half way decent numbers.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: JC86
If for nothing else, I wanted the Pats to win just so I don't have to hear Mercury Morris' disgraceful classless display of sportsmanship. All the haters will celebrate the fact that the Pats got what they deserved etc etc. There really is no refuting the fact that the Pats let this one slip away and never deserved to win this game.

To all the haters, I ask you this. If today it was your hometown team approaching an undefeated season, how would you feel about Mercury Morris' annoying rants and champagne popping theatrics? To me, its the epitome of classlessness.

18-1/18-0 < 17-0 because the Pats couldn't finish the deal but to go 18-0 in this era in the NFL is a remarkable accomplishment. It is unfortunate that the Pats will go down in history as a great team that couldn't finish the deal. From now on, every time an NFL team even approaches perfection, the Pats and their infamous 18-1 record will be splatters across newspapers, online and on Sportscenter.

you are one of the seemingly infinite annoying pats fans, and I am glad that you all have been shut up.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: Alistar7
18-1, no super bowl title = Text

If going undefeated to the superbowl and only losing one game is epic fail, what do you call the teams who busted their asses and didn't even make it out of the main season?

You guys are far too harsh. 17-0 is great. 18-1 is great. Anyone who says otherwise is a pretentious fanboy.

or maybe you're just stupid. The other teams just weren't as good, as arrogant, and as pretentious. Or am I describing the fans? To have such a focus on winning and then failing to even win the one game that counts, that's called failure.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: waggy
pats fan? nope.

while they did break the rules they were punished. BUT what they did was not that bad. Each team has cameras on teh coach's. BUT they are limited to how many and what they can tape.

What the pats did was have a extra camera on the sidelines wich would go from the scoreboard (showing time, down, yardage etc) and the coach's. That is against the rules.

People calling for the pats to be stripped of games, championships or saying they need to cheat because they don't have the skill or talent are just being stupid.

Why were the tapes destroyed? There were a total of 6 tapes confiscated covering the Jets game, 2007 preseason, and 2006 games. No harm in keeping them around unless it would have embarrassed the league or corrupted past accomplishments by the Pats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3225539

Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant who now is a golf pro at the Ka'anapli Golf Resort in Lahaina, Hawaii, has suggested to ESPN that he has information that could have exposed the Patriots prior to the situation at the Jets game, which ended with record fines.

"If I had a reason to want to go public or tell a story, I could have done it before it even broke," he told ESPN.com's Mike Fish. "I could have said everything rather than having [Jets coach Eric] Mangini be the one to bring it out."

Walsh, who worked for the Patriots from 1996 until the winter of 2002-03, when he was fired, also has suggested to ESPN that he has information that could be embarrassing for the NFL and the Patriots. He has not been contacted by the league.

"If they're doing a thorough investigation ? they didn't contact me, so draw your own conclusions," Walsh told Fish.

I would like to see what evidence he has in regards to Patriot championship years and their overall program.

Obviously they did not get the chance to use the tape against the Jets. What and how they accomplished this year (epic fail) is not in question, but anything previous under this coaching regime is fair game. BB is so over rated it's comical, with no tapes and Brady not able to carry him he falls flat on his face in the biggest game of his coaching career.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: Alistar7
18-1, no super bowl title = Text

If going undefeated to the superbowl and only losing one game is epic fail, what do you call the teams who busted their asses and didn't even make it out of the main season?

You guys are far too harsh. 17-0 is great. 18-1 is great. Anyone who says otherwise is a pretentious fanboy.

or maybe you're just stupid. The other teams just weren't as good, as arrogant, and as pretentious. Or am I describing the fans? To have such a focus on winning and then failing to even win the one game that counts, that's called failure.

How can you say that there's only one game that counts when you don't even get to that game without the previous games?

I used to play ball under coaches that told us we were worthless unless we placed first at the end of the season. I can't believe people are arguing which is better, 17-0 or 18-1. :roll:

To hell with him, and to hell with fans that reject such an awesome accomplishment as 18-1, even if that one loss was the superbowl.

 

[JS80]

14-6 is better than 18-1

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: leeland

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Sentrosi2121
Pats fans have replaced drunken Bears fans as the most annoying fans in the NFL.

Note the Pats fans do not have to be drunk to be annoying. OP has proven that point already.

QFMFT

although, Pats fans have been exceedingly annoying for the last 7 years or so...and I still find Bears fans annoying as sh1t.

Isn't it already a given that Illinois sports fans are dumb asses...case in point...

Cubs Fan...Bears Fan...Same Difference

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: WhiteTrashWillie
Until the very last drive that game sucked, it was more a Super Bore than a Super Bowl. Manning MVP? What for, not giving the game away? Dumb Hick. If anybody deserved the MVP it was someone on the Giants Defense and nobody played better in that game than Wes Welker even though his teams offense sucked hard.

Well, when it's the Superbowl, not giving the game away counts for one hell of a lot. Add to that, his composure throughout the game and his performance on the last drive and you have your MVP.

Bingo...

I could have easily seen it go to that Tyree guy with the amazing catch and the TD...

Or someone on the D...maybe Tuck...but the QB always gets it in a close game if he has half way decent numbers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/...layton_john&id=3229427

He out Brady-ed Tom Brady on Sunday, engineering touchdown drives of 80 and 83 yards. His winning drive that ended with a 13-yard touchdown pass to Plaxico Burress with 35 seconds left put him in rare company. He's only the second quarterback in Super Bowl history to throw two fourth-quarter touchdown passes in a winning effort. Joe Montana was the only other (Super Bowl XXIII).

He did this trailing late in the 4th after getting shut down most of the day. His numbers for the period: 9-14, 152 yards, 2 td, 0 int., 140.4 rating. As great of a catch as that was by Tyree, it never happens unless Manning somehow eludes that almost certain sack.

 

[IAteYourMother]

God, why the fuck is everything getting merged here. Just because you're sad that the Patriots lost doesn't mean you have to made life miserable for those of us reading.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
God, why the fuck is everything getting merged here. Just because you're sad that the Patriots lost doesn't mean you have to made life miserable for those of us reading.

Isn't it interesting that at some points, especially recently, that we had 5-6 Patriots/Brady threads at once. All season long there have been numerous threads, now that they lose the Pat loving mods condense everything into one thread. One of the greatest upsets in sports history won in a dominating fashion, a superior effort to anything the Pats accomplished this season.

Sorry Giants fans you get one thread while we had to deal with 500+ on one of the most epic failures in league history.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
God, why the fuck is everything getting merged here. Just because you're sad that the Patriots lost doesn't mean you have to made life miserable for those of us reading.

Isn't it interesting that at some points, especially recently, that we had 5-6 Patriots/Brady threads at once. All season long there have been numerous threads, now that they lose the Pat loving mods condense everything into one thread. One of the greatest upsets in sports history won in a dominating fashion, a superior effort to anything the Pats accomplished this season.

Sorry Giants fans you get one thread while we had to deal with 500+ on one of the most epic failures in league history.

Ahhh who cares? This is a web forum. There will be a parade in Manhattan tomorrow. That's real.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
God, why the fuck is everything getting merged here. Just because you're sad that the Patriots lost doesn't mean you have to made life miserable for those of us reading.

Isn't it interesting that at some points, especially recently, that we had 5-6 Patriots/Brady threads at once. All season long there have been numerous threads, now that they lose the Pat loving mods condense everything into one thread. One of the greatest upsets in sports history won in a dominating fashion, a superior effort to anything the Pats accomplished this season.

Sorry Giants fans you get one thread while we had to deal with 500+ on one of the most epic failures in league history.

Ahhh who cares? This is a web forum. There will be a parade in Manhattan tomorrow. That's real.

I just find it comical, and exactly what I would expect from a Pat fan.

You make a good point. Their kool aid gloating, boasts, & predictions will only live a short time in AT pwnage history, but that Giants win will live for all time.

 

[jjones]

lol, Dennil's thread showed up for a moment in the list of threads as having -10 replies. All this merging does suck though.

Oh, and one more time: Thanks Giants for making this football season not totally suck ass. Just seeing the Pats' perfect season come crashing down in the biggest game of the year has somewhat eased the pain of being a Raiders fan.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Well I have to say congrats to the Giants...that was one helluva defensive effort yesterday on the Pats. I was impressed. I hate the Giants still but have to give props where it's due.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: jjones
lol, Dennil's thread showed up for a moment in the list of threads as having -10 replies. All this merging does suck though.

Oh, and one more time: Thanks Giants for making this football season not totally suck ass. Just seeing the Pats' perfect season come crashing down in the biggest game of the year has somewhat eased the pain of being a Raiders fan.

Oh my God, I'm sorry dude. I didn't realize.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
The 85 bears went 18-1 as well but they won the SuperBowl!!!!

Ohh yeah who did they destroy?

Hey!!! My reply to this got cropped.

Anywho.....in response to who the 85 Bears destroyed....

Your NE Patriots were destroyed by those Bears 46-10 in SB XX.