Official 2010-2011 NBA Playoffs Thread

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And since I didn't comment earlier, what has Dirk ever done that Lebron hasn't?

Well I guess what Dirk did that Lebron didn't is stay loyal to his team instead of running out like a punk. Dirk is a class act and will have a title this year. Lebron is an assclown that refuses to shake people's hands when he loses, blames everyone on the team except himself when they lose, and not only didn't have the decency to tell his hometown team and GM personally that he was leaving but decided to have a tv special to announce to Ohio he was leaving, and disrespected the whole Boston Celtics team by acting like a complete child after a second round series win. Dirk would of acted like a pro and shook their hands and talked about how good a team the Celtics were at the press conference.
 

wheresmybacon

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Watched the game last night. Haslem was huge, and the Heat brought it defensively. Also big shot making by Lebron especially in the closing minutes. Funny how during the regular season I don't pay someone like Haslem much mind, but when you get into a series against a team like the Bulls you NEED a guy like that to turn the matchup in your favor. Colin Cowherd said it just a few minutes ago and I agree - he's the Heat's version of Noah.

Chicago isn't dead, but they need to make some offensive adjustments if they want to win the series.

It's almost as if at certain times, Rose decides early on during a possession that he has no intention of passing. That's fine if everything is falling, but seeing as how he's a scorer and not a shooter, there are going to be times when it's just not dropping. And that's when he needs his teammates to step up. The problem is that once he gets into the pattern of shooting a lot like last night, his teammates are on their heels, not moving off the ball and basically watching him play 1 on 1...and then 2 (or more) and he's got nowhere to go but up because it's late in the clock and he's in or near the paint or trapped otherwise. And that run-on sentence pretty much sums up many of Chicago's late game possessions.
 

dougp

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Watched the game last night. Haslem was huge, and the Heat brought it defensively. Also big shot making by Lebron especially in the closing minutes. Funny how during the regular season I don't pay someone like Haslem much mind, but when you get into a series against a team like the Bulls you NEED a guy like that to turn the matchup in your favor. Colin Cowherd said it just a few minutes ago and I agree - he's the Heat's version of Noah.

Chicago isn't dead, but they need to make some offensive adjustments if they want to win the series.

It's almost as if at certain times, Rose decides early on during a possession that he has no intention of passing. That's fine if everything is falling, but seeing as how he's a scorer and not a shooter, there are going to be times when it's just not dropping. And that's when he needs his teammates to step up. The problem is that once he gets into the pattern of shooting a lot like last night, his teammates are on their heels, not moving off the ball and basically watching him play 1 on 1...and then 2 (or more) and he's got nowhere to go but up because it's late in the clock and he's in or near the paint or trapped otherwise. And that run-on sentence pretty much sums up many of Chicago's late game possessions.

There were quite a few bullshit calls early on that I believe deflated the Bulls defensively, particularly ones where James pushed off multiple times on Deng and Deng was getting called, but the 3 fouls in 2 minutes hurt more than anything.
 

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There were quite a few bullshit calls early on that I believe deflated the Bulls defensively, particularly ones where James pushed off multiple times on Deng and Deng was getting called, but the 3 fouls in 2 minutes hurt more than anything.

The first quarter officiating was terrible. They let them play a bit harder in the second half but that Hacking call on Deng was bullshit.
 

Via

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That's how it's been this postseason: When the flow is there the Bulls look unbeatable, and when it's not the sky might as well be falling.

I'm sure they'll bounce back. DRose is gaining a lot of pressure experience right now, and Thibs will sit him down and go over the film with him.

One of the announcers said it best: Korver can't be out there in crunch time if he's not hitting shots.
 

actuarial

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Well I guess what Dirk did that Lebron didn't is stay loyal to his team instead of running out like a punk. Dirk is a class act and will have a title this year. Lebron is an assclown that refuses to shake people's hands when he loses, blames everyone on the team except himself when they lose, and not only didn't have the decency to tell his hometown team and GM personally that he was leaving but decided to have a tv special to announce to Ohio he was leaving, and disrespected the whole Boston Celtics team by acting like a complete child after a second round series win. Dirk would of acted like a pro and shook their hands and talked about how good a team the Celtics were at the press conference.

So basically nothing to do with, you know, being a better basketball player or seeing better results on the court.
 

HendrixFan

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Well I guess what Dirk did that Lebron didn't is stay loyal to his team instead of running out like a punk. Dirk is a class act and will have a title this year. Lebron is an assclown that refuses to shake people's hands when he loses, blames everyone on the team except himself when they lose, and not only didn't have the decency to tell his hometown team and GM personally that he was leaving but decided to have a tv special to announce to Ohio he was leaving, and disrespected the whole Boston Celtics team by acting like a complete child after a second round series win. Dirk would of acted like a pro and shook their hands and talked about how good a team the Celtics were at the press conference.

Any other soundbytes you have stored up from the "Hate Lebron" media tour that has spun all season?

Lebron left the Cavs because he would not win with them, period. When he joined the Heat, after Wade and Bosh signed, the media ran with the "he's taking the easy way out" slam. Then as the Heat struggled with the 9-8 start, the media ran with the "he can't win with this team, he should have gone to Chicago" slam.

During that slow start, Lebron was playing well but Wade was abysmal. Haslem got hurt, Miller was already hurt and the media left them for dead. Then the Heat switched up and had Wade dominate the ball and Lebron played more off the ball and they started to win. Wade couldn't adjust his game to accommodate another scorer, so Lebron adjusted his. Lebron ended up playing the 4 and 5 position more, in addition to setting ball screens and playing strongside wing. Lebron posted game after game of strong all around play, defense, screening, assists, boards, efficient scoring all at multiple positions on the court.

The media took that as a chance to run with the "Wade is better than Lebron because they are winning with Wade dominating the ball" slam.

Lebron has been criticized for being to happy and nice on the court, but then when he walks off the court in an elimination game he gets slammed for that. Either way he was wrong. Honestly, I want him to be upset that his season is over. The media will find a way to find a flaw with any approach he takes, just because it is a story and anything "Lebron" gets views. Even if it isn't a story.

Same thing happened with the decision. The media played up the event for 3 years! 3 years! How dumb is that? Teams did everything they could to clear space for Lebron, working on that years in advance. Lebron's choice of teams was the most important thing in basketball, every single contract and trade factored him in for a time period. Lebron uses the decision to raise a few million dollars for a charity and gets slammed for being pompous? Did the media really not pay attention to themselves for the prior 3 years? What was he supposed to do? Dan Gilbert showed his character after Lebron left, Lebron needs no excuse for not telling him of the decision before it aired. I'm sure the 8 hour window between that morning when he decided and that evening when he announced didn't make too much of a difference. Wasn't the GM already canned at that point too?

How did he act like a child in the Boston series, and if he did why didn't any of the Celtics complain about it? He took a knee and prayed, gave Wade a hug and walked off the court. He gave Wade a hug after the Chicago win last night. Is that really a bad thing? I don't understand what you mean? I know for sure Lebron did talk about how good the Celtics were, about how he couldn't beat them alone, about how they were the reason he left the Cavs (first time he mentioned that), about how they were the inspiration for Wade, Bosh and himself to play together and about how tough they are.

Some of the stuff you are saying is just moronic talking point soundbytes, but some if it just seems to be imaginary. I'm sorry you don't like Lebron, but he is the best player in the NBA. It is a shame you can't enjoy watching the most complete player of our era and someone who will likely go down as a top 5 of all time player.
 

edro

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So basically nothing to do with, you know, being a better basketball player or seeing better results on the court.
lawl - true that

Lebron is much better at dribbling, crossovers, dunks, powering through defenses, 3 point shooting, etc.
Dirk is just good at shooting. He is one of the best shooters in the league, but Lebron is in a class above Dirk.

You not liking Lebron doesn't matter to anyone but you. (directed at OILFIELDTRASH)

Oh yeah, and VERY well said Hendrix!
If you listen to Sports Radio, Colin Cowheard has always said NBA championship teams ALWAYS have 2 superstars.
There are like 2 teams ever to win without 2 superstars.

It was obvious that Lebron and the Cavs couldn't win a championship.
It's not Lebron's fault they lost. He had 40 point games!!! What the hell else is he supposed to do?
 
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The Lebrick nut huggers are out in full force. Strange they were awfully quiet after game 1. Lebrick is big and fast. He should be a great player til about 30 years old. Then when he isn't faster and stronger than everyone he'll have to rely on that awful shooting of his. He can't win in Cleveland but strangely enough Dirk seems to be heading for a championship without a second superstar.
 

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but strangely enough Dirk seems to be heading for a championship without a second superstar.

lol what? you mean dirk is heading for a championship with numerous all stars / borderline stars.

hate on ledramaqueen all you want, but he is once again, single handedly taking his teams deep without a dominant center.
 

HendrixFan

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The Lebrick nut huggers are out in full force. Strange they were awfully quiet after game 1. Lebrick is big and fast. He should be a great player til about 30 years old. Then when he isn't faster and stronger than everyone he'll have to rely on that awful shooting of his. He can't win in Cleveland but strangely enough Dirk seems to be heading for a championship without a second superstar.

I hope you aren't serious. Each playoff series can go up to 7 games, it is foolish to make declarative statements after a game or two because so much changes usually. This is especially true once you get to the conference fnals as we are now. Home and away changes and adjustments are made not only in game but also from game to game. If you put up your silly diatribe after game one the response would have been the same.

Lebron went from shooting 30% on jumpers in he 07 playoffs to 45% in these playoffs. 45% is extremely high, as most players that shoot in volume struggle to shoot that rate overall in the playoffs and pad that with close range shots. Lebron is also the best passer in the league, something that wont change as he ages. His height won't disappear either. He is only 26 so he likely has 6 more years before his physical skills fall off a cliff, but his "game" and his build should allow for many productive seasons after that
 

HendrixFan

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Lost in the (much deserved)praise of Dirk's performance in game1 was that the Thunder were right in the game til the end. Don't count on Dirk to shoot 80% for the series. If he plays a normal game and Durant gets hot it will be a split series heading to OKC.

All the pressure is on Dallas to hold home court tonight.
 

bunnyfubbles

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The Lebrick nut huggers are out in full force. Strange they were awfully quiet after game 1. Lebrick is big and fast. He should be a great player til about 30 years old. Then when he isn't faster and stronger than everyone he'll have to rely on that awful shooting of his. He can't win in Cleveland but strangely enough Dirk seems to be heading for a championship without a second superstar.

lol, yeah, Cleveland loses LeBron and they go from what, a top 3 team to bottom 3.

It's not about superstars, its about the fact that LeBron didn't have a team at all to begin with in Cleveland. LeBron doesn't need super stars to win, he just needed some help...any help, and Cleveland couldn't give him that. Heck, even Michael Jordan had help. Who did James have in his years in Cleveland? A washed up Shaq?

All the LeBron haters out there like you are ultimately just terrified of the fact that Miami looks poised to take a majority of the next 5 or so NBA titles.
 

zerocool84

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I don't agree with John Barry in the pre-game, he said more defense on Dirk. Dirk is going to get his no matter what. The Thunder need to follow the way people played the Orlando Magic, let Dwight get his and make sure to defend everyone else. Let Dirk get his but make sure you stop everyone else from getting theirs. Who cares is Dirk gets another 48pt game, as long as the Thunder stop everyone else from scoring then they'll be good. The bench scoring for Dallas is too good and they need to stop them.
 

actuarial

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lol, yeah, Cleveland loses LeBron and they go from what, a top 3 team to bottom 3.

It's not about superstars, its about the fact that LeBron didn't have a team at all to begin with in Cleveland. LeBron doesn't need super stars to win, he just needed some help...any help, and Cleveland couldn't give him that. Heck, even Michael Jordan had help. Who did James have in his years in Cleveland? A washed up Shaq?

All the LeBron haters out there like you are ultimately just terrified of the fact that Miami looks poised to take a majority of the next 5 or so NBA titles.

People forget that in the Lebron vs Jordan discussion (which I still think is firmly towards Jordan for now) what happenned to their teams when they went missing. The Bulls were still one of the best teams in the league WITHOUT Jordan. The only reason Pippen isn't remembered as one of the best is because he played along side THE best.

And on the Dirk staying vs Lebron leaving, I don't know if any player that played on Cleveland during the Lebron years would start on Dallas other than Big Z. They probably wouldn't crack the rotation. It's a lot easier to stay loyal when you get to play with Nash, Kidd, Marion, Terry, Finley, Jamison (when he didn't suck), Howard and a host of other players than the poo poo platter thrown out with Lebron.
 

zerocool84

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Durant has 14pts already and it`s just the first quarter!!!!

Still though the Thunder need to focus on everyone but Dirk.
 

theshad

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lol, yeah, Cleveland loses LeBron and they go from what, a top 3 team to bottom 3.

It's not about superstars, its about the fact that LeBron didn't have a team at all to begin with in Cleveland. LeBron doesn't need super stars to win, he just needed some help...any help, and Cleveland couldn't give him that. Heck, even Michael Jordan had help. Who did James have in his years in Cleveland? A washed up Shaq?

All the LeBron haters out there like you are ultimately just terrified of the fact that Miami looks poised to take a majority of the next 5 or so NBA titles.

Cleveland didn't lose Lebron and go from top 3 to bottom 3, they lost Lebron, Shaq, West, Ilguaskas, Williams for most of the season, and Varejao for most of the season and went from top 3 to bottom 3. I hate how people act like the Cavs lost Lebron and instantly became the worst team in the league, he was hands down the best player on the team, but the roster of the 10-11 season was radically different than the 09-10 season.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Durant has 14pts already and it`s just the first quarter!!!!

Still though the Thunder need to focus on everyone but Dirk.



They can pick their poison, for a day and a half all the talking heads said they had to stop Dirk and make the others step up. And for the first quarter that is exactly what they did, and the other guys stepped up. Result the same Mavs lead.

Dallas is just too deep
 
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