Official 2010-2011 NBA Playoffs Thread

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zerocool84

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They can pick their poison, for a day and a half all the talking heads said they had to stop Dirk and make the others step up. And for the first quarter that is exactly what they did, and the other guys stepped up. Result the same Mavs lead.

Dallas is just too deep

Exactly why I say they need to focus more on everyone else. Mavs like you said are too deep but they're not unstoppable like Dirk is.
 

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I gotta say this is one of the better ref'ed games I've seen. No ticky tack crap, no flopping, just good hard basketball playing.
 

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Cleveland didn't lose Lebron and go from top 3 to bottom 3, they lost Lebron, Shaq, West, Ilguaskas, Williams for most of the season, and Varejao for most of the season and went from top 3 to bottom 3. I hate how people act like the Cavs lost Lebron and instantly became the worst team in the league, he was hands down the best player on the team, but the roster of the 10-11 season was radically different than the 09-10 season.

Shaq, West and Williams were injured during Cleveland's best stretch of basketball last season when they ran off 13 in a row, mostly big time blowouts. Humorously enough, most of the guys you mentioned in that list were the ones who missed the most games for them last season and weren't a part of the starting lineup most of the year. Big Z was traded midseason and didn't start. West rarely started. Mo Williams wasn't injured that much this season.

The Bulls lost a bunch of no name players too, and nobody will remember anyone other than Shaq from that Cavs list 15 years from now. The comparison is valid (BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Horace Grant, John Paxson...plenty of guys who contributed in a meaningful way to the Bulls championships).

The Bulls did well because they had a Hall of Fame player and coach left after Jordan retired. The Cavs never had that for James. The first to worst deal was because the cupboard was bare.
 

zerocool84

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Westbrook annoys me a lot. He needs to learn that he's the number 2 option on the team. Yes he's young and they really need to work with him in the off-season to get him into the mindset to pass first and shoot second no matter how much he scores.
 

Gibsons

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Westbrook annoys me a lot. He needs to learn that he's the number 2 option on the team. Yes he's young and they really need to work with him in the off-season to get him into the mindset to pass first and shoot second no matter how much he scores.

You could forgive that if he didn't have a Durant on his team.
 

HendrixFan

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Durant is a top 5 player in the league, Westbrook needs to understand that. Durant is the franchise.

Unless Westbrook has an epiphany this offseason they may have to move him elsewhere.
 

HendrixFan

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Second best part of the Jeff Green trade was that it opened up more consistent playing time to Harden.
 

Gibsons

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wow, if okc's bench is going to throw down contested 3 pointers like that, they'll never lose.
 

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I just got home and watched a bit.

Reminds me a lot of ATL/CHI game one, when ATL was hitting ridiculous shot after ridiculous shot.

It's the NBA; that's gonna happen I guess.
 

HendrixFan

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The Thunder have quite a few guys who can hit shots like that. Cook is one of the better 3pt shooters in the game by percentage. Maynor has always been able to hit those floaters. Harden is a great shooter, he just lacks aggression to be consistent at it. OKC is just a good offensive team.

I do like that Brooks is riding the hot guys and resisting the urge to go back to his starting lineup.
 

HendrixFan

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Players who can consistently hit shots like that are called "all stars."

Not really. They lack good size and defensive ability. There are plenty of players like that in the league and make great bench players.

Their holes get exposed as teams gameplan for them, but in spurts, especially playing against second teamers, they can be explosive. This is why Barea and Terry come off the bench.

Since nobody is really playing defense tonight, Sefalosha and Ibaka aren't needed on the floor like Cook or Maynor.
 

Gibsons

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Not really. They lack good size and defensive ability. There are plenty of players like that in the league and make great bench players.
No, really. Contested 3 pointers off the dribble don't go down very often, even if you're MJ or whoever.
 

HendrixFan

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No, really. Contested 3 pointers off the dribble don't go down very often, even if you're MJ or whoever.

Probably about one in three from the games I watch. If a guy does it on a heat check better than 50%. Are we talking about heat checks then?
 

spacejamz

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Were the phantom fouls called on dirk and jet as bad on TV as they were on the jumbotron??
 

Gibsons

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Were the phantom fouls called on dirk and jet as bad on TV as they were on the jumbotron??

The one on Dirk was weak, but technically a foul. Probably.

I'm still not sure what they saw on the one on terry, if you're talking about when he was going around the screen.
 

HendrixFan

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No, we're talking about contested 3 pointers off the dribble.

I practiced that shot starting in middle school, I know most NBA players do as well. Defender tosses the ball to you then closes out as you come up to shoot. Much more "game" like than just standing at the 3 pt line shooting jumpers.

I'd say for a legit shooter that is a one in three shot, but on a heat check it is a much higher percentage. I saw quite a few of those shots from the Thunder miss tonight, usually accompanied by JVG saying "they can get a better shot than that".

What was their percentage on 3's off the dribble tonight?
 

Gibsons

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I practiced that shot starting in middle school, I know most NBA players do as well. Defender tosses the ball to you then closes out as you come up to shoot. Much more "game" like than just standing at the 3 pt line shooting jumpers.

I'd say for a legit shooter that is a one in three shot, but on a heat check it is a much higher percentage. I saw quite a few of those shots from the Thunder miss tonight, usually accompanied by JVG saying "they can get a better shot than that".

What was their percentage on 3's off the dribble tonight?
Don't know, but his percentage on threes for the regular season was 34.9.
 

HendrixFan

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Don't know, but his percentage on threes for the regular season was 34.9.

Cook was up near 50% of threes for the year, but other than that OKC isn't a great shooting team from deep. Harden was feeling it tonight and he nailed 4 of 7 threes, the rest of the team was 3 of 11 from deep. Seems about right.

I've seen OKC play plenty this year, they were one of my 7 league pass teams. Their 3 pt percentage blows because they don't shoot good threes. Tonight was the norm for them. OKC is near the bottom of the league in assists and I read somewhere that when you adjust for pace and look at the percentage of FGs that were assisted they were at the very bottom. They shoot contested threes, it is just what they do.

Yet another reason to try and move Westbrook.
 

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Shaq, West and Williams were injured during Cleveland's best stretch of basketball last season when they ran off 13 in a row, mostly big time blowouts. Humorously enough, most of the guys you mentioned in that list were the ones who missed the most games for them last season and weren't a part of the starting lineup most of the year. Big Z was traded midseason and didn't start. West rarely started. Mo Williams wasn't injured that much this season.

The Bulls lost a bunch of no name players too, and nobody will remember anyone other than Shaq from that Cavs list 15 years from now. The comparison is valid (BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Horace Grant, John Paxson...plenty of guys who contributed in a meaningful way to the Bulls championships).

The Bulls did well because they had a Hall of Fame player and coach left after Jordan retired. The Cavs never had that for James. The first to worst deal was because the cupboard was bare.

As I said, they certainly weren't comparable to Lebron in terms of skill, but the Cavs of this season were sporting 5 rookies, 2 of which were undrafted and 2 who were late picks, the roster is nowhere near what it was last year. The Cavs of last year had plenty of guys who could contribute meaningfully, they just couldn't do it to a championship, Lebron included in that list.

Mentally the Cavs just crashed this year. I imagine that the way in which Lebron left the team did not particularly help that, but when shit started hitting them they just took it. They actually had a respectable start, but the middle of the season was just horrendous.
 
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As I said, they certainly weren't comparable to Lebron in terms of skill, but the Cavs of this season were sporting 5 rookies, 2 of which were undrafted and 2 who were late picks, the roster is nowhere near what it was last year. The Cavs of last year had plenty of guys who could contribute meaningfully, they just couldn't do it to a championship, Lebron included in that list.

Mentally the Cavs just crashed this year. I imagine that the way in which Lebron left the team did not particularly help that, but when shit started hitting them they just took it. They actually had a respectable start, but the middle of the season was just horrendous.

There's so much wrong going on in this post.

The Cavs did have guys who could contribute meaningfully to a championship, Lebron INCLUDED. That doesn't mean the collection of players makes sense. Put 5 Ray Allens out on the court and you'll get killed, but he was still a key cog on a championship team.

The formula for every championship, save for a few years, is to have 2-3 all-stars (one of which is a top-5 player unless you're Detroit and sport 5 all-stars), and a group of role players who give it their all. Cleveland had a decent group of role players, but only had 1 all-star (Mo's one all-star game appearance doesn't count). You will not find a championship team who's second best offensive player was of Mo William's caliber. It's the same reason none of Boston's big three won before they got each other. Who was their best second fiddle?

Cleveland's 'good start' was 20 games of .500 ball. Do you know how many times I've seen the Raps (a notoriously garbage team that I woefully support) do that? Cleveland had so many rookies because they've been a revolving door for years, because they haven't had that much talent.
 
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