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zerocool84

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that's fine. he can learn from his epic choke. he's also had quite a few games where he disappeared.

Of course he has, he and Westbrook are definitely too young to go deep into the playoffs but we know they can still get better. Westbrook especially needs to grow up a lot more and learn the PG position better. I hope he works at it in the off-season.
 

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Durant settled for too many jump shots late in the game as Dallas made their run. He should have been trying to get baskets at the rim and trying to get FTs out of it. Durant seemed to want to get his points from 25 feet out or more.
 
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Crazy thing was the last few minutes of the regulation, dirk got fouled at least 2 times and got no calls. He made some crazy shots and those should have been some And 1's. I'll take the win in OT though. Mavs were amazing. Such awesome composure.
 

zerocool84

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Durant settled for too many jump shots late in the game as Dallas made their run. He should have been trying to get baskets at the rim and trying to get FTs out of it. Durant seemed to want to get his points from 25 feet out or more.

He needs to learn to post-up. He's practically a pure shooter which he's excellent at but once he develops a post game he'll be almost unstoppable. He's not a driving to the hole player but adding post would help out tremendously especially with his length.
 
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Mavs have played well against the Thunder in the past. As Vi Edit said Kidd is going to have trouble with Westbrook. I believe Dallas has a very underrated defense and should be able to help Kidd enough to keep Westbrook under control. They have Corey Brewer and Marion to guard Durant and usually Dallas has done a good job of keeping him in check. I actually believe the Thunder getting Perkins is to Dallas' advantage. Dallas has the big men to play with Perkins but not enough athletic players to keep Durant, Westbrook, Green under control. I think where Dallas has the edge is in scoring and experience. At the end of the game Dallas being a savy veteran team is going to out-execute the Thunder when it counts and that's going to be the difference in the series. Also Dallas has been a tough place to play this postseason. Probably not so much in the past but this year Mavs fans are really hyped up.

Dallas in 7
holy crap I should be an NBA analyst!
 

vi edit

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Holy Mavs batman! I went to bed with about 7 minutes left in the 4th thinking OKC was going to close out. I wake up to see that Dirk went apeshit, OKC imploded, it went to OT and Dirk continued to be..well...Dirk.

Damn.

If that doesn't drive a rusty, salt and lemon juice covered dagger through your heart I don't know what will. Next game in Dallas should be fun crowd.
 
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No offense to the Bulls but this is exactly why MVP votes should be made at the end of the postseason. Dirk should be the MVP. No one player has carried their team on their shoulders like Dirk has.

No way OKC wins the next 3 games. Would be epic for the mavs to avenge their '06 Finals loss against the Heat.
 

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No offense to the Bulls but this is exactly why MVP votes should be made at the end of the postseason. Dirk should be the MVP. No one player has carried their team on their shoulders like Dirk has.

No way OKC wins the next 3 games. Would be epic for the mavs to avenge their '06 Finals loss against the Heat.

Agreed
 

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No offense to the Bulls but this is exactly why MVP votes should be made at the end of the postseason. Dirk should be the MVP. No one player has carried their team on their shoulders like Dirk has.

No way OKC wins the next 3 games. Would be epic for the mavs to avenge their '06 Finals loss against the Heat.

Other than the fact that the MVP is specifically defined as for regular season only, and there is also a Final's MVP.

And I think Rose has carried his team more than Dirk has. Dirk is playing better though.
 

zerocool84

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Other than the fact that the MVP is specifically defined as for regular season only, and there is also a Final's MVP.

And I think Rose has carried his team more than Dirk has. Dirk is playing better though.

Exactly, they have MVP for both situations. Rose played super hard all season and now Dirk is playing super hard this post-season.
 

vi edit

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I was watching ESPN this morning with an interview with Rose:

ESPN: How are you going to respond in this game?

Rose: I have to be more aggressive and attack the rim. If they double team, even triple team me I'm dropping my head and going.

Good luck with that! Bosh & Lebron are a 6'6 and almost 7' wall of athleticism. Throw in Anthony or Haslem for good measure. That worked well for you the last two games. How about you tell your teammates to nut the fuck up and start hitting some shots after you kick out on a double team penetration drive? That'd be swell!
 

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Good luck with that! Bosh & Lebron are a 6'6 and almost 7' wall of athleticism. Throw in Anthony or Haslem for good measure. That worked well for you the last two games. How about you tell your teammates to nut the fuck up and start hitting some shots after you kick out on a double team penetration drive? That'd be swell!

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoopmiamiheat/post/_/id/7962/heats-defense-zeroing-in-on-derrick-rose

Great article that sort of touches on the same idea.

Let’s explain what is going on and how it can be summed up in one possession from the fourth quarter back in Game 2 in Chicago, which is where this series turned into a display of the Heat’s defensive ability.

With the Bulls trailing 76-73 and four minutes left, Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau called for a 1-4 pick-and-roll. His team ran it almost perfectly.

Rose had the ball on the wing when Taj Gibson came to set a screen on Rose’s defender, in this case Mike Bibby. Rose turned the corner skillfully and quickly, effectively shaking Bibby and Gibson’s man, Chris Bosh, in the same instant.

He’s literally done this hundreds of times this season and it’s one of the main reasons he’s the MVP. Usually, it will result in an easy shot or a foul at a moment the Bulls badly needed points.

But here is where the Heat are different. When Rose got into the lane there were two Heat defenders already waiting. It slowed him down as he shifted and looked for a crease to release a shot. By the time he got the ball in the air, about four feet from the rim, he was surrounded by all five Heat defenders on the floor. He missed.

It has been a one man show all year long, and just like Lebron with the Cavs and Wade with the Heat last year, it won't cut it. Boozer isn't the guy, Deng isn't either. They need to make a move to get another legit scorer.
 
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Miramonti

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I was watching ESPN this morning with an interview with Rose:

ESPN: How are you going to respond in this game?

Rose: I have to be more aggressive and attack the rim. If they double team, even triple team me I'm dropping my head and going.

Good luck with that! Bosh & Lebron are a 6'6 and almost 7' wall of athleticism. Throw in Anthony or Haslem for good measure. That worked well for you the last two games. How about you tell your teammates to nut the fuck up and start hitting some shots after you kick out on a double team penetration drive? That'd be swell!

Yep. That sounds like a concession that his teammates haven't come thru for him, so he's going to become more selfish. I'm all for him trying at this point...probably no one can attack a double team like he can (granted Miami's double teams are very mobile and athletic tho.)

I give Miami a lot of credit for the bulls not making shots. Considering they are collapsing on Rose, they've also closed out very well most of the time and helped keep the shooters out of rhythm and off balance. So far the Bulls offense has been too much of a 1-drive/1-kick offense... and if a shooter gets a pass and is closed out on, the offense is pretty much lost in desperation already.

It was atleast great to see the bulls take control of the boards again, but their shooting was too crappy. Miami had 10 less fga's, yet made 2 more fg's than the bulls.

I'm still confident we haven't seen the best of the Bulls yet, but if they do lose this series, I just hope the Bulls can get as many games of experience out of it as possible to learn some good lessons, as well as fuel their off-season fire to improve.

Like Via said, all it takes is a win to get back in this series. Winning game 3 of a series tied 1-1 is hardly a knockout blow, and a bulls win would capture home court again. That said, Miami clearly has the momentum at this point.
 
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Arkaign

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I wonder if the psycho tornados fubaring Oklahoma right now are gonna affect the finals?
 

Miramonti

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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoopmiamiheat/post/_/id/7962/heats-defense-zeroing-in-on-derrick-rose

Great article that sort of touches on the same idea.



It has been a one man show all year long, and just like Lebron with the Cavs and Wade with the Heat last year, it won't cut it. Boozer isn't the guy, Deng isn't either. They need to make a move to get another legit scorer.

I disagree that it's been a one-man show all year, that's a misconception. It's true there wasn't much consistent 'shot creation' by anyone other than Rose. Deng sometimes, and sporadically from Booz, and Noah, but during the regular season, it was simply enough for the other players to feed off of what Rose creates without having a 'tag team' like the other current top playoff teams. Miami, Dallas, Celtics, Thunder, Lakers all have someone that can take initiative and step up when needed, but that doesn't necessarily mean Rose was a 1-man show.

Rose has definitely been a 1-man show in regards to closing out games (and for keeping the team close when the defense just couldn't get a handle on the other team...aka overtime against Toronto with the score ~115 points when Rose had to score ~40), but Rose's impact (and Thibs defense) has helped wins be quite a team effort imo.

That said, not having a 2nd option that can take initiative 'at any time' clearly stands out right now with the challenges Miami has been creating.
 

Miramonti

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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoopmiamiheat/post/_/id/7962/heats-defense-zeroing-in-on-derrick-rose

Great article that sort of touches on the same idea.



It has been a one man show all year long, and just like Lebron with the Cavs and Wade with the Heat last year, it won't cut it. Boozer isn't the guy, Deng isn't either. They need to make a move to get another legit scorer.

I disagree that it's been a one-man show all year, that's a misconception. It's true there wasn't much consistent 'shot creation' by anyone other than Rose. Deng sometimes, and sporadically from Booz, and Noah, but during the regular season, it was simply enough for the other players to feed off of what Rose creates without having a 'tag team' like the other current top playoff teams. Miami, Dallas, Celtics, Thunder, Lakers all have someone that can take initiative and step up when needed, but that doesn't necessarily mean Rose was a 1-man show.

Rose has definitely been a 1-man show in regards to closing out games (and for keeping the team close when the defense just couldn't get a handle on the other team...aka overtime against Toronto with the score ~115 points when Rose had to score ~40 just to get to overtime), but Rose's impact (and Thibs defense) has helped wins be quite a team effort imo.

That said, not having a 2nd option that can take initiative 'at any time' clearly stands out right now with the challenges Miami has been creating.
 

vi edit

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Boguns needs to open the lid on the threes. He's not a defensive liability like Korver so he has to be the floor spreader.
 
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