Official 2010-2011 NBA Playoffs Thread

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al981

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Compare the '94 championship team to any Cavs team when LeBron was there. Cavs are just as better at every position than them, except their respective spots, SF & PF.

How about you go suck him off some more and stop posting?

LOL! cassell, thorpe, jet smith, big shot rob horry, hakeem the dream, and a very solid bench vs. the misfits that lequeen carried.

oh, then drexler the next year.

no, you still fail and need to stop posting. gtfo!
 

wheresmybacon

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He's not the only person. LeBron is not the king, and he hasn't done shit by himself. He had adequate teams around him in CLE, better teams than Hakeem had, and still couldn't win. The only defense he can play is running down a player from behind, and is so wildly inconsistent with his jumper that he can be unreliable. Wade is the best player on that team, period.

With some of your takes, if you didn't have your pic as your avatar I'd swear you were Skip Bayless.
 

dougp

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LOL! cassell, thorpe, jet smith, big shot rob horry, hakeem the dream, and a very solid bench vs. the misfits that lequeen carried.

oh, then drexler the next year.

no, you still fail and need to stop posting. gtfo!

Uh, look at their stats that year dumbass.
 
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Lebron is good and playing pretty well in the post season, but Dirk is playing out of his mind and is the MVP for the post season without a doubt.
 
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He's a quitter. He gave up Trying to win a title for his hometown. Just cause my opinion doesn't match up to yours doesn't mean I'm crying. I'd had much more respect for him if he stayed in Cleveland and built a championship team out of it. Don't give me the he didn't have help excuse. It's not as if they wouldn't of got a good team around him eventually. It just doesn't happen overnight.

Sorry to bust your bubble but it's the mavs year. Why you ask? Miami has no center play. Chandler and Haywood are going to send everything the heat put up back in the third row. Miami has no point guard play. They have 3 ball hogs looking for their shot while the mavs are content to make the open pass and make you pay. And last but not least Dirk Nowitzki. Need I say more?

I really hope it is the Mavs year this year. It just feels so right for them to take it all. However, I felt this way in the 05-06 year too. And we all know what happened then haha.

It's funny how the only times Mavs get to the finals, they have to play the same team (potentially).

It would be awesome if Mavs just crush the Heat in the finals (like 3-1 or 4-0) but I'm just focused on closing out the OKC series for now.

I'm already damn proud of my mavs from dispelling all the talk about them being the softies or one and done boys. Hell, after they beat portland, I felt like they were going to be unstoppable the rest of the playoffs.
 
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I really hope it is the Mavs year this year. It just feels so right for them to take it all. However, I felt this way in the 05-06 year too. And we all know what happened then haha.

It's funny how the only times Mavs get to the finals, they have to play the same team (potentially).

It would be awesome if Mavs just crush the Heat in the finals (like 3-1 or 4-0) but I'm just focused on closing out the OKC series for now.

I'm already damn proud of my mavs from dispelling all the talk about them being the softies or one and done boys. Hell, after they beat portland, I felt like they were going to be unstoppable the rest of the playoffs.
O ye of little faith.. This is the year. Basketball is a team sport. Don't look at the names on the jersey's. Look at the teams on the court. Now tell me who is the better team and you have your NBA champion.
 

wheresmybacon

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcRxWV_de4c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Fixed that for ya.
Also whomever was on Rose made the defensive play. Lebron came from behind when Rose didn't see him and got the block. If Lebron would of stayed in front of Rose then also made the block then that would of been a hell of a play.

Wade caused Rose to alter his shot, but it may have gone in had Lebron not provided help. I know that concept - help defense - has been tough for you Mavs fans to historically understand, so I'll give you a mulligan on your game analysis fail there chief. You just don't know any better.
 

HopJokey

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O ye of little faith.. This is the year. Basketball is a team sport. Don't look at the names on the jersey's. Look at the teams on the court. Now tell me who is the better team and you have your NBA champion.

Actually, as a team Miami is geling at the right time. Their role players are getting healthy and better as the season is progressing. Look at their closing line up last night:

PG - Lebron
SG - Wade
SF - Miller
PF - Haslem
C - Bosh

Pretty darn good. Bibby, Anthony and Chalmers are all playing well and chipping in. That has swung the series with the Bulls so far; after game 1 they went to this 8 man rotation and are playing exceptional.

A potential Mavs/Heat finals would be epic; the Heat would be slightly favored with Home Court Advantage.

Also at the end of games I see Lebron being matched up with Dirk. Dirk would have to try and back down Lebron in the low post.
 
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QueBert

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LOL! cassell, thorpe, jet smith, big shot rob horry, hakeem the dream, and a very solid bench vs. the misfits that lequeen carried.

oh, then drexler the next year.

no, you still fail and need to stop posting. gtfo!

By ATOT's logic CLE last year was the best team in the NBA. They were an amazingly shitty team that had exactly one strong point. And that one strong point pretty much carried them into the playoffs. No they didn't win, but replace James with ANY player in the NBA and the outcome would have been the same, if not worse. The hilarious thing about LBJ haters is they'll say CLE last year was as good as the championship Rocket team. I even had a discussion with a dude who hates James who said he couldn't do it even with Shaq on his team. He was trying to make me believe that the '010 Shaq was the same one who played with Kobe. I had no idea Shaq was still in his prime last season.

So basically James is a trader because he left a team that wasn't going to win a title to play on one that will. But Dirk's the man because he's staying true to the Mavs? Here's some thoughts on that. James will have a title this year, and Dirk won't. The NBA's about winning championships not staying true to your team.
 

Via

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I can see the Bulls canning Tibs within the next three years. He just seems like he is of the Avery Johnson/Doug Collins/Scott Skiles mold. They all come in, whip a team into shape by having them play real defense, but always keep their intensity too high and wear down the players. You see a huge jump the first year, but they never make it over the hump.

I think Tibs has been downright awful in this series, not just in his personnel decisions, but mostly due to the fact that he doesn't seem to be trying to get his guys to score points. He isn't mixing it up with his offensive playcalling at all. Then to compound the problem, he keeps telling us (fans via the media) and his team that the problem is on the defensive end. The problem to him after each loss, get this, is that his guys aren't trying hard enough.

At some point down the road the players are going to stand up and say "no retard, we are playing hard, you just aren't doing anything to put us in a position to win". His tired act of blaming his guys' effort will only go so far. Until he looks in the mirror and realizes he is being severely outcoached in this series nothing will change. And I'm talking long term horizons here.

What adjustments have we seen from Tibs? Going with a more offensive threat about 190 minutes into the series. If it is taking that long for it to dawn on him that they are shutting down Lebron/Wade/Bosh about as well as they can, and they need to do a much better job to keep up the scoring pace with them.

Derrick Rose looked like someone shot his puppy in the postgame interview. Tibs needs to stop shifting the blame to their MVP and be a real man and take the criticism. Because it deserves to rest on his shoulders.

When has Thibs placed unfair blame on anyone?

No adjustments? He's tried every combination he has available to him. It's not his fault no one is delivering most of the time.

Rose is his puppy? He's allowing Rose the feedom to do anything and take any shot he wants, to a fault. He's bending over backwards to allow the Bulls to be Rose's team.

We saw in game 1 (and other games in the playoffs) what Thib's team can do everything clicks and players execute.
 
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O ye of little faith.. This is the year. Basketball is a team sport. Don't look at the names on the jersey's. Look at the teams on the court. Now tell me who is the better team and you have your NBA champion.

Hardly.

I made my prediction that Mavs would win the title a looooong time ago early in the season. I even can back up my prediction with a bet I placed back in january that Mavs would win it all.

Don't forget, I'm a huge Mavs fan.
 
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Hardly.

I made my prediction that Mavs would win the title a looooong time ago early in the season. I even can back up my prediction with a bet I placed back in january that Mavs would win it all.

Don't forget, I'm a huge Mavs fan.

I know you're a true mavs fan. I believe you and I were the only ones talking mavs during the regular season NBA thread besides everyone else that was saying they'd choke first round. Lol.
I'll admit I thought they'd beat Portland then lose to the lakers.
 
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I know you're a true mavs fan. I believe you and I were the only ones talking mavs during the regular season NBA thread besides everyone else that was saying they'd choke first round. Lol.
I'll admit I thought they'd beat Portland then lose to the lakers.

haha. I actually believed Portland would be the toughest match up for the Mavs outside of the finals. And so far they kinda were. They lost 2 games to Portland, 0 to lakers, and so far 1 to OKC (and hopefully will stay like that after tonight's game).
 

TXHokie

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not sure who to root for. dirk deserves it more than anyone..

but lebron is a fucking beast. clutch, clutch, clutch. best player in the league hands down.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold"...but gotta take care of biz with OKC first. Go Mavs!!!
 

Miramonti

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Thibs is a great coach. Nothing that's happened so far is his fault.

I really, really, really, REALLY hope that Boozer is still somewhat injured and just not letting on. Because if he's not he doesn't fit Thib's style of play at all, and the Bulls have him for a while.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but can this team win a title without someone to take the pressure off of Rose?

Carmelo Anthony would be looking very good in a Bulls uni right now, and there ain't no one like him that's going to be available anytime soon. I like Noah a lot, but he's a raw energy player with almost no offensive skills. Thomas and Asik could have taken his time for now.

But what can you expect from Bulls management that turned down a trade for Kobe in his prime?

If I were to say no, that would mean I don't believe the Bulls can win game 5, and that if they did happen to, that I don't believe they have a chance in miami for game 6, and if...

But based on everything we've seen so far, the resounding answer would be NO. He has to have help, special help. The tragedy is that Boozer was $15m of all-star help...now were finding (if he hasn't been badly hindered by health), that this $75m commitment gets written off faster than a Paul Allen investment. Ouch.

He will still be very valuable during the regular season for his offense and rebounding, but isn't what the Bulls need to get past Miami. We're going to have to get used to him tho because there isn't a single power forward out there imo that is available and would improve things defensively while adding offense abilities at the same time.

As for Melo, he would be a great addition to the offense, but also would often bring Boozer-style-brainlessness on defense. Too often he spaces out defensively, and is the antithesis of Thibs preaching of 'closing out plays' imo.

I don't think this team needs major changes...the truth is EVERYONE has gotten their @ss kicked by Miami, including Rose at times (altho partially because everyone else's ineffectiveness has made Rose predictable.)

Deng has gotten hung out to dry by James (not exactly shameful) Noah has gotten his @ss kicked by Haslem and Anthony, Booz...uhmm,yeah lol...Gibson, Korver, Watson...all of them.

Yet this last game went into overtime, in Miami no less. So even tho there has been some @ss-kicking, I think the team is in pretty awesome shape to compete with Miami with some minor tweaking, particularly towards getting someone who can be trusted for more consistent baskets. Combine that with personal growth in the young players and this is a team to be very optimistic about.

Speaking of personal growth, the one thing that must improve is Rose's defense. He's pretty good in his effort to stay in front of players and fight thru screens, but that's all he tries to do. On-ball defense, rarely does he ever put any pressure on the ball.
 

Miramonti

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I can see the Bulls canning Tibs within the next three years. He just seems like he is of the Avery Johnson/Doug Collins/Scott Skiles mold. They all come in, whip a team into shape by having them play real defense, but always keep their intensity too high and wear down the players. You see a huge jump the first year, but they never make it over the hump.

I think Tibs has been downright awful in this series, not just in his personnel decisions, but mostly due to the fact that he doesn't seem to be trying to get his guys to score points. He isn't mixing it up with his offensive playcalling at all. Then to compound the problem, he keeps telling us (fans via the media) and his team that the problem is on the defensive end. The problem to him after each loss, get this, is that his guys aren't trying hard enough.

At some point down the road the players are going to stand up and say "no retard, we are playing hard, you just aren't doing anything to put us in a position to win". His tired act of blaming his guys' effort will only go so far. Until he looks in the mirror and realizes he is being severely outcoached in this series nothing will change. And I'm talking long term horizons here.

What adjustments have we seen from Tibs? Going with a more offensive threat about 190 minutes into the series. If it is taking that long for it to dawn on him that they are shutting down Lebron/Wade/Bosh about as well as they can, and they need to do a much better job to keep up the scoring pace with them.

Derrick Rose looked like someone shot his puppy in the postgame interview. Tibs needs to stop shifting the blame to their MVP and be a real man and take the criticism. Because it deserves to rest on his shoulders.

That's a bit of a stretch. Thibs offers much more specific defensive structure than those other guys, not just demand for effort. And the proof has been in the results, with the Bulls and elsewhere in his career.

He can only do so much with his personnel. He's an outstanding coach who's has taken this young core to the eastern conference finals. The Bulls haven't had a single 'mismatch' this entire playoffs beyond Rose. Boozer was supposed to provide that edge, but was outplayed many times in all 3 series, even against the Pacers' Hansbrough. The championship pistons were heralded as a fairly 'star-less' defense-first roster at the time, but they also had mismatches. Rasheed was a fantastic post player and Prince's length also provided mismatches. Hamilton was (is) also an awesome shooter in traffic.

Could he benefit from an offensive guru?...probably, who couldn't, but I wouldn't exactly call him inept on the offensive end. He's chosen to give Rose a lot of responsibility, yet only recently has that shown to be not enough. Previously, the entire team was able at times to step up and make a needed contribution.
 

Miramonti

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Dirk and Lebron have played great, but only one is playing against an ECF-quality defense...

It's way too premature, if not complete useless, (if not bordering on ignorant) for anyone to start pounding the 'playoff mvp' drums at this point, and particularly for Dirk, who isn't facing either of the top 2 defenses left in the playoffs.

If Dirk does this to the team that comes out of the east, then it's a much different story.
 

wheresmybacon

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I can see the Bulls canning Tibs within the next three years. He just seems like he is of the Avery Johnson/Doug Collins/Scott Skiles mold. They all come in, whip a team into shape by having them play real defense, but always keep their intensity too high and wear down the players. You see a huge jump the first year, but they never make it over the hump.

I think Tibs has been downright awful in this series, not just in his personnel decisions, but mostly due to the fact that he doesn't seem to be trying to get his guys to score points. He isn't mixing it up with his offensive playcalling at all. Then to compound the problem, he keeps telling us (fans via the media) and his team that the problem is on the defensive end. The problem to him after each loss, get this, is that his guys aren't trying hard enough.

At some point down the road the players are going to stand up and say "no retard, we are playing hard, you just aren't doing anything to put us in a position to win". His tired act of blaming his guys' effort will only go so far. Until he looks in the mirror and realizes he is being severely outcoached in this series nothing will change. And I'm talking long term horizons here.

What adjustments have we seen from Tibs? Going with a more offensive threat about 190 minutes into the series. If it is taking that long for it to dawn on him that they are shutting down Lebron/Wade/Bosh about as well as they can, and they need to do a much better job to keep up the scoring pace with them.

Derrick Rose looked like someone shot his puppy in the postgame interview. Tibs needs to stop shifting the blame to their MVP and be a real man and take the criticism. Because it deserves to rest on his shoulders.

Chicago being down 3-1 is not Tibs' fault. You can't win the Kentucky Derby with a donkey.

IMO they're still a player or 2 away.
 

preslove

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In order to keep up with Miami, the Bulls need to add a good shooting guard in the off season. They don't need a max salary guy, but they need someone who can drive and average 14 or 16 points a game.

Blaming this series on Tibs is pretty dumb.
 

dougp

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Chicago being down 3-1 is not Tibs' fault. You can't win the Kentucky Derby with a donkey.

IMO they're still a player or 2 away.

They should have gone after Chandler instead of Boozer. Boozer was always the backup to not getting Bosh, but there weren't many big men on the market that would fill in next to Noah.
 

wheresmybacon

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They should have gone after Chandler instead of Boozer. Boozer was always the backup to not getting Bosh, but there weren't many big men on the market that would fill in next to Noah.

Agreed. I've always liked Tyson Chandler. Boozer...not so much. Another one of those guys with endless natural gifts who can't seem to sort out the problems in his head that cause him to just...disappear.
 
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